AOC to DHS chief: Border agents shared 'images of my violent rape'...

[stevecanuck]

So, you didn't read the OP's article

Correct. I read the excerpt provided in the OP with the expectation that it would include all the salient bits. It didn't.

Btw, did you notice that the 2 posters who argued with me also didn't seem to know about the Photoshop?

 

[Integrityrespec]

AOC, what an uniformed lying trouble maker.

 

[pamak]

I generally assume that the people I interact with here have access to Google or some other search engine. Though since you still think the case I mentioned was about education, it's apparent that you haven't made use of one.

I assume you also read the link and noticed that the case you brought was Pickering vs. Board of Education.

 

[pamak]

The military is never "off the clock"

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That was my point.

 

[trouble13]

That was my point.

Not sure im understanding your point?
Boarder patrol agents are not the same as military personnel in that sense.

I am curious about your opinion on if it turns out that these comments in a private group are being made by active members of immigration/boarder agents, if you feel that their bias prevents them from executing thier responsibilities in a professional manner?

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[pamak]

Not sure im understanding your point?
Boarder patrol agents are not the same as military personnel in that sense.

I am curious about your opinion on if it turns out that these comments in a private group are being made by active members of immigration/boarder agents, if you feel that their bias prevents them from executing thier responsibilities in a professional manner?

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I explained the legal argument in the cases I provided before. Yes, the bias of border agents and police officers prevent them from executing their responsibilities effectively and the government is not required to hold ineffective agents or police officers whose bias will reduce the effectiveness of their testimony in courts.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez grilled DHS chief Kevin McAleenan

The rape culture in our government runs to the top. We should really expect that his system would treat those he hates with any humanity? The cruelty's the point, in his politics and in his personal life.

Good job, AOC.

Bimbo eruptions.

 

[Deuce]

Nope.

So why the binary question?

 

[Deuce]

I never suggested, nor implied I thought the empty headed moron was being literal. I ask you if you thought she was, and asked if you thought she wasn't, why did she say it.

So you don't think she was being literal. I'll go on record agreeing with you.

Now to the second part of the question you've now ignored twice in order to lie about me, why did she say it then?

The context of the conversation was ignoring more significant priorities. You... didn't actually watch the video of what she said, did you?


"How ya gonna pay for it" is a bizarre question when it comes to action on climate change, because nobody is offering suggestions for how we pay for NOT dealing with the problem. Same with healthcare. "How ya gonna pay for universal healthcare you stupid liberal? Why don't you have a plan for that?" Gee, how could we possibly afford to pay for a system that is cheaper than the system we are paying for already? SO DIFFICULT. REALLY A HEADSCRATCHER.

Some right wingers are confused here, because they think the price of doing nothing is zero.

 

[ludin]

Hatch Act was an example of how their speech has been limited, not the whole point. It was a border patrol Facebook group, it seems. According to my search results, several agents have been placed on admin leave pending further investigation. Google "border patrol rape joke."

yes pending investigation until that investigation is over and we have actual facts we don't know anything.

 

[ludin]

First, let's be reminded what AOC said from her own mouth.




Now, I asked a question. Why did you completely ignore it, and make up something about what I believe?

that is all they can do is just make stuff up.

 

[AmNat]

Doesn’t matter. Many employers have policies in place that as a representative moral conduct means off of the clock too. I can be terminated in a second if I post something on SM that is contrary to my employers core values.

As I said, I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.

Your employer is under no constitutional obligation to provide you with a paycheck.

Public employees are protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court expressly reversed its "no right to be a policeman" standard in Pickering vs Board.

Is anyone actually saying that the right to free speech of these people should be curtailed?

Yes. Several people in this thread have stated that the government should fire these people for saying things they don't like in a private Facebook group on their own time.

The liberal left has become a party dominated by extremist who seem to hate everyone and everything that doesn't fit their extreme views. There is no discussion or compromise, all you have to do is watch the government at work.

Yep. In their view, anyone expressing any opinion out of line with party orthodoxy must be ruthlessly purged from society, if not physically assaulted.

Advocating rape and murder against particular individuals is not protected speech. Get a Constitution, read it and then stop making **** up.

General calls for violence are protected by the First Amendment, per Brandenberg vs Ohio. There is no allegation that anyone in the group ever contemplated or threatened an actual attack on AOC or anyone else.

 

[ocean515]

The context of the conversation was ignoring more significant priorities. You... didn't actually watch the video of what she said, did you?


"How ya gonna pay for it" is a bizarre question when it comes to action on climate change, because nobody is offering suggestions for how we pay for NOT dealing with the problem. Same with healthcare. "How ya gonna pay for universal healthcare you stupid liberal? Why don't you have a plan for that?" Gee, how could we possibly afford to pay for a system that is cheaper than the system we are paying for already? SO DIFFICULT. REALLY A HEADSCRATCHER.

Some right wingers are confused here, because they think the price of doing nothing is zero.

More lies, and a third time you ignored the question I asked.

You're a hoot.

 

[ocean515]

that is all they can do is just make stuff up.

Understandable, given the intellectual shortcomings they come to the table with.

 

[snakestretcher]

Whether I or anyone else is bothered by it isn’t the point.

Actually it is the point. If you want to dismiss rape as inconsequential, what does that say about you?

 

[Deuce]

More lies, and a third time you ignored the question I asked.

You're a hoot.

Which question? "Why did she say it?"

I told you. The context of that conversation was ignoring major issues based on stupid reasons.

 

[ocean515]

Which question? "Why did she say it?"

I told you. The context of that conversation was ignoring major issues based on stupid reasons.

So AOC ignores major issues and bases her comments on stupid reasons.

I agree.

 

[Deuce]

So AOC ignores major issues and bases her comments on stupid reasons.

I agree.

Holy **** you really didn't watch the video.

So now you don't think she was being literal, but you do think she was criticizing... herself? You're a hoot.

 

[ocean515]

Holy **** you really didn't watch the video.

So now you don't think she was being literal, but you do think she was criticizing... herself? You're a hoot.

Of course I watched the video. I posted it. LOL.

When you run out of rational things to say you get really funny.

I already wrote that I agreed with you that she wasn't being literal. I did that when you first ignored the question I asked. And now you trying to suggest I've just now said I don't think she was being literal about the world ending in 12 years.

You're all over the place, as usual.

I'll stop wasting my time and move on.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Yes. Several people in this thread have stated that the government should fire these people for saying things they don't like in a private Facebook group on their own time.

How does firing then take away their right to free speech? No one has a right to a government job, surely. Unless...do you think that private sector employees shouldn’t be fired for expressing their views?

 

[Crystal]

The context of the conversation was ignoring more significant priorities. You... didn't actually watch the video of what she said, did you?


"How ya gonna pay for it" is a bizarre question when it comes to action on climate change, because nobody is offering suggestions for how we pay for NOT dealing with the problem. Same with healthcare. "How ya gonna pay for universal healthcare you stupid liberal? Why don't you have a plan for that?" Gee, how could we possibly afford to pay for a system that is cheaper than the system we are paying for already? SO DIFFICULT. REALLY A HEADSCRATCHER.

Some right wingers are confused here, because they think the price of doing nothing is zero.

Well if you aren’t worried about how you gonna pay for it buy your own **** and stop expecting others to pay your way!

 

[veritas1]

Do you think she was being literal when she said that?

Seemed like it to me. Why pick 12 years anyway? Why not 10 or 15 or 18? She seems pretty certain about 12.

 

[veritas1]

Inhumane is ignoring our laws allowing for asylum claims and treating people who legally seek asylum as if they are criminals. Something your ideological friends have been doing.

You have zero ground to stand on with your immoral and inhumane apologism and your frankly ridiculous attempts at turning this on your opposition.

Transparent and pathetic.

The vast majority of these people do not have valid asylum claims. What's pathetic is not taking ownership of the problem and who caused it. Here's a hint, it's not Trump. Trump inherited the problem. The people wanting the status quo have perpetuated and exacerbated it. Then, they start their phony moralizing once Trump tries to get a handle on things. There is like an 800,000 case backlog on processing immigrants. If you don't want to see detention centers filled with migrants, update the laws. If you don't want the country flooded with more illegal immigrants, build the rest of the wall.

 

[Obscurity]

The vast majority of these people do not have valid asylum claims. What's pathetic is not taking ownership of the problem and who caused it. Here's a hint, it's not Trump. Trump inherited the problem. The people wanting the status quo have perpetuated and exacerbated it. Then, they start their phony moralizing once Trump tries to get a handle on things. There is like an 800,000 case backlog on processing immigrants. If you don't want to see detention centers filled with migrants, update the laws. If you don't want the country flooded with more illegal immigrants, build the rest of the wall.

Prove the "vast majority" dont have valid claims.

Without using some bull**** source.

I'm for a Norwegian style immigration system. But you're just using agitprop and nonsense and have jo actual facts for the basis of your claims and you know it.

 

[veritas1]

Prove the "vast majority" dont have valid claims.

Without using some bull**** source.

I'm for a Norwegian style immigration system. But you're just using agitprop and nonsense and have jo actual facts for the basis of your claims and you know it.

What's the Norwegian system?