Anyone here think most liberals are hypocrites?

[Mcgovern_Gore]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs so this is not a right wing attack on liberals. I am a Bernie supporter and I have written here about how I wish left leaning democrats in the past such as George McGovern (1972 election) and Adlai Stevenson (1952 and 1956 elections) had won their presidential races.

Having said that I am no longer a "bleeding heart liberal" and I've come to realize just how selfish, hypocritical and cold hearted a lot of liberals really are. They pretend to have compassion for people who are different yet most of the bullying I've encountered in life has come from people who profess to be liberal and I strongly dislike how they treat republicans.

Although I disagree with conservative ideology I have never viewed anyone who identifies as Republican as bad or wrong. I do my best to listen to people with different political beliefs and try my best to understand why they have the views they have and to explain my views to them in an open and non confrontational way.
I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having.

I've also come to realize based on my experience living in a working class neighborhood that poor people are just as selfish and cold hearted as the rich and the only difference between a poor and rich person is their economic status. Both have just as much greed in their hearts and both try to take whatever they can for themselves. A poor person lacks the ability to get rich but they will still try to take whatever they can.
It saddens me to say this but based on the people I've encountered that is what I've come to accept is part of the problem.

I am pointing this out because I feel as a liberal Democrat that we should be genuinely caring about one another and not have it be empty reteric. I wrote recently in my journal that Republicans try to pretend they have a brain and Democrats try to pretend they have a heart but they are both lacking them.
I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

 

[Acadia]

You are a liberal, and a rare breed these days.

This is brilliant:

"I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having."

Distilled down and as pure as Walter White's blue ice.

 

[Logical1]

Liberals are hypocrites of the highest order. Since they run on feelings, one day they will approve of something and disapprove of it the next. Yet they see nothing wrong with their being inconsistent.

 

[Crosscheck]

The only true fact I know is the (D) or (R) defecate feces that range from light to dark brown in coloration and the fact that both sides are full of it.

 

[vegas giants]

Liberals are hypocrites of the highest order. Since they run on feelings, one day they will approve of something and disapprove of it the next. Yet they see nothing wrong with their being inconsistent.

You misspelled conservatives

 

[Good4Nothin]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs so this is not a right wing attack on liberals. I am a Bernie supporter and I have written here about how I wish left leaning democrats in the past such as George McGovern (1972 election) and Adlai Stevenson (1952 and 1956 elections) had won their presidential races.

Having said that I am no longer a "bleeding heart liberal" and I've come to realize just how selfish, hypocritical and cold hearted a lot of liberals really are. They pretend to have compassion for people who are different yet most of the bullying I've encountered in life has come from people who profess to be liberal and I strongly dislike how they treat republicans.

Although I disagree with conservative ideology I have never viewed anyone who identifies as Republican as bad or wrong. I do my best to listen to people with different political beliefs and try my best to understand why they have the views they have and to explain my views to them in an open and non confrontational way.
I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having.

I've also come to realize based on my experience living in a working class neighborhood that poor people are just as selfish and cold hearted as the rich and the only difference between a poor and rich person is their economic status. Both have just as much greed in their hearts and both try to take whatever they can for themselves. A poor person lacks the ability to get rich but they will still try to take whatever they can.
It saddens me to say this but based on the people I've encountered that is what I've come to accept is part of the problem.

I am pointing this out because I feel as a liberal Democrat that we should be genuinely caring about one another and not have it be empty reteric. I wrote recently in my journal that Republicans try to pretend they have a brain and Democrats try to pretend they have a heart but they are both lacking them.
I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

I think you made some valid observations here. Leftists/liberals are not nearly as saintly as they think they are. But I don't agree with your conclusion that liberals should somehow transform themselves into saints.

As earth animals, we are born to take care of our own survival needs first, and then the needs of those who are closest to us. It has to be that way. If we weren't programmed to survive, we would not be here.

So none of us are going to transform into something that can't exist on this planet.

I agree with you that I would like to see the hypocrisy end, or lesson somewhat. But I would like to see an increase in self-awareness, and acceptance of reality. If people try to force themselves to be "genuinely caring" they might become even more hypocritical.

Keep in mind that most hypocrites fool themselves even more than they fool others.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Liberals are hypocrites of the highest order. Since they run on feelings, one day they will approve of something and disapprove of it the next. Yet they see nothing wrong with their being inconsistent.

Repugs & Trump cultists run on nothing BUT feelings. Hence why most Repugs & Trump cultists are racists and hate "socialists".

 

[Captain Adverse]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs so this is not a right wing attack on liberals. I am a Bernie supporter and I have written here about how I wish left leaning democrats in the past such as George McGovern (1972 election) and Adlai Stevenson (1952 and 1956 elections) had won their presidential races.

Having said that I am no longer a "bleeding heart liberal" and I've come to realize just how selfish, hypocritical and cold hearted a lot of liberals really are. They pretend to have compassion for people who are different yet most of the bullying I've encountered in life has come from people who profess to be liberal and I strongly dislike how they treat republicans.

Although I disagree with conservative ideology I have never viewed anyone who identifies as Republican as bad or wrong. I do my best to listen to people with different political beliefs and try my best to understand why they have the views they have and to explain my views to them in an open and non confrontational way.

I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having.

...I am pointing this out because I feel as a liberal Democrat that we should be genuinely caring about one another and not have it be empty reteric. I wrote recently in my journal that Republicans try to pretend they have a brain and Democrats try to pretend they have a heart but they are both lacking them.
I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

You made some good points, but your thread title is misdirected. That is due to clear confusion over the meaning of the term Liberal that has been generated in current society.

IMO you have made the common mistake of lumping in Progressives and Socialists, who declare themselves Liberal when they are not. That is the reason you see the actions and attitudes you've noted in the bolded sections above. Their ideologies are inherently authoritarian-based, the antithesis of Liberalism. They push for central control to compel compliance at the sacrifice of individual liberty. Whereas a true Liberal seeks as much liberty for the individual citizen as possible while providing systems to adjudicate criminal and civil justice, and to preserve society from outside threats.

Now I consider myself a classical Liberal and object to the term being usurped by Progressives and Socialists. Every argument I have posed in this Forum is based on my Liberal ideals. From the idea that every individual deserves the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven regardless of the situation; through allowing individuals the freedom to interact in any way with other individuals old enough to give informed consent; to an absolute right to control over ones body unless convicted of a crime or adjudicated mentally incompetent in a court of law.

Thus among many things I support gay rights, abortion choice, responsible use of mind-altering substances, non-violent freedom of expression, armed self-defense and defense of others, even the right to commit suicide assisted or otherwise. Instead of laws trying to limit an individual's rights to engage in these and other actions, we need fewer and clearer criminal and civil laws which are both fair and just applying to actual as opposed to perceived harms. Fair, in that they apply equally to all, rich or poor. Just, in that they can modify punishments on a case by case basis taking into consideration the circumstances of each case.

But socialists and progressives use double-standards when it comes to free expression, justice, and tolerance. There is no "fair play" unless it's by their rules of conformity. There is no "good" unless it conforms to their goals. There is only GUILTY until proven innocent and innocence is proven by submission and continued adherence to whatever the new-think of the day is declared acceptable by their thought-leaders.

For Democrats to return to the ideals you declare, they have to clean their house of Progressives and Socialists. Meanwhile the Republicans also need to clean their ranks of extreme-right Reactionaries.

 

[Mr Person]

"I'm a liberal therefore believe this series of super-over-generalized attacks on liberalism. After all, I claimed to be a liberal. That means you have to respect my statements."

:roll:

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs so this is not a right wing attack on liberals. I am a Bernie supporter and I have written here about how I wish left leaning democrats in the past such as George McGovern (1972 election) and Adlai Stevenson (1952 and 1956 elections) had won their presidential races.

Having said that I am no longer a "bleeding heart liberal" and I've come to realize just how selfish, hypocritical and cold hearted a lot of liberals really are. They pretend to have compassion for people who are different yet most of the bullying I've encountered in life has come from people who profess to be liberal and I strongly dislike how they treat republicans.

Although I disagree with conservative ideology I have never viewed anyone who identifies as Republican as bad or wrong. I do my best to listen to people with different political beliefs and try my best to understand why they have the views they have and to explain my views to them in an open and non confrontational way.
I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having.

I've also come to realize based on my experience living in a working class neighborhood that poor people are just as selfish and cold hearted as the rich and the only difference between a poor and rich person is their economic status. Both have just as much greed in their hearts and both try to take whatever they can for themselves. A poor person lacks the ability to get rich but they will still try to take whatever they can.
It saddens me to say this but based on the people I've encountered that is what I've come to accept is part of the problem.

I am pointing this out because I feel as a liberal Democrat that we should be genuinely caring about one another and not have it be empty reteric. I wrote recently in my journal that Republicans try to pretend they have a brain and Democrats try to pretend they have a heart but they are both lacking them.
I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

So, IOW, you're not a Democrat. You've never been a liberal and you love repeating far right talking points.

Did I get that right?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

"I'm a liberal therefore believe this series of super-over-generalized attacks on liberalism. After all, I claimed to be a liberal. That means you have to respect my statements."

:roll:

^^^ Yep. Someone else saw through the tard-gauze.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

Just because I pointed out flaws in the Democratic party does not make me less of a democrat. I am registered Democrat and have voted Democrat in the past but if I'm going to be ridiculed and accused of pushing right wing talking points then I can no problem changing my registration to independent and sitting out next year's election. Congratulations I hope bullying and making fun of people who point out flaws within the Democratic party makes you feel better. If this is how you are going to treat people within your own party who want it change for the better then I want no part of this.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Just because I pointed out flaws in the Democratic party does not make me less of a democrat. I am registered Democrat and have voted Democrat in the past but if I'm going to be ridiculed and accused of pushing right wing talking points then I can no problem changing my registration to independent and sitting out next year's election. Congratulations I hope bullying and making fun of people who point out flaws within the Democratic party makes you feel better. If this is how you are going to treat people within your own party who want it change for the better then I want no part of this.

You have no evidence of these "flaws", that's the problem. All I see are a bunch of lame generalities and an incoherent rant.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

You have no evidence of these "flaws", that's the problem. All I see are a bunch of lame generalities and an incoherent rant.

I am basing this on personal experiences I've had in real life at both school and political rallies if that doesn't count as "evidence" then I don't know what does. I am really disgusted that people on here (both Democrat and Republican) get off on demonizing people who disagree with them. It's really turned me off from politics and I am sure I'm not the only one. If Trump gets re-elected be sure to take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I am basing this on personal experiences I've had in real life at both school and political rallies if that doesn't count as "evidence" then I don't know what does. I am really disgusted that people on here (both Democrat and Republican) get off on demonizing people who disagree with them. It's really turned me off from politics and I am sure I'm not the only one. If Trump gets re-elected be sure to take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

Yes, my "demonizing" of Republicans gives Trump carte blanche to continuously violate the rule of law and flush the Constitution down the toilet. My bad.

Your false equivalency is a worse trait to have. You should express outrage over what really matters.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

You are no different from Trump. If you had any self awareness you would see your immature behavior does not give you carte Blanche to name call people. I dislike Trump and do not want him re-elected but that does not give me a right to make fun of or hate people. If you make fun of and demonize people on the right you are only making them cling to Trump tighter and believe his criticism of democrats

I love that Bernie is critical of Trump but he does not demonize his supporters and is willing to talk to them and explain his political ideology without changing it. That shows he wants to be a president for all and that's why I volunteered for his campaign.

This is not helping the situation and if you want Trump out of office then don't sink to his level.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

You are no different from Trump. If you had any self awareness you would see your immature behavior does not give you carte Blanche to name call people. I dislike Trump and do not want him re-elected but that does not give me a right to make fun of or hate people. If you make fun of and demonize people on the right you are only making them cling to Trump tighter and believe his criticism of democrats

I love that Bernie is critical of Trump but he does not demonize his supporters and is willing to talk to them and explain his political ideology without changing it. That shows he wants to be a president for all and that's why I volunteered for his campaign.

This is not helping the situation and if you want Trump out of office then don't sink to his level.

I'm not "making" dimwit, unsophisticated Trump supporters do anything. They will cling to that racist traitor no matter what. What I do simply doesn't matter.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

I'm not "making" dimwit, unsophisticated Trump supporters do anything. They will cling to that racist traitor no matter what. What I do simply doesn't matter.

You are making fun of and name calling people you disagree with which will only help the other side but like I said if you want to help Trump secure a second term then by all means continue what your doing.

If you want to help then volunteer for a Democratic candidate you believe and try your best to talk to as many people and argue for your candidate even with people you disagree with. I understand you hate Trump but you need to put your personal hatred aside and do what it takes to help the Democratic nominee (whoever it may be) get elected. I am 100% against bullying anybody even if it's people I don't like such as Trump.

 

[eohrnberger]

If the leftists didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

Bring back the 'classic' liberals. At least they were more consistent, applied standards consistently, and had a valuable perspective to contribute to the political discussion.

Those that falsely claim this liberal mantel simply do not, through their own example. You can tell this when they claim to support Climate Change and the New Green Deal, while they fly private jets from speaking venue to speaking venue.

Yeah, that'd be hypocrisy and double standard by their own actions.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs so this is not a right wing attack on liberals. I am a Bernie supporter and I have written here about how I wish left leaning democrats in the past such as George McGovern (1972 election) and Adlai Stevenson (1952 and 1956 elections) had won their presidential races.

Having said that I am no longer a "bleeding heart liberal" and I've come to realize just how selfish, hypocritical and cold hearted a lot of liberals really are. They pretend to have compassion for people who are different yet most of the bullying I've encountered in life has come from people who profess to be liberal and I strongly dislike how they treat republicans.

Although I disagree with conservative ideology I have never viewed anyone who identifies as Republican as bad or wrong. I do my best to listen to people with different political beliefs and try my best to understand why they have the views they have and to explain my views to them in an open and non confrontational way.
I find it a bit ironic most left leaning democrats hate religion and yet their political beliefs take the place of one for them and inspires the same fanaticism and close mindedness that they accuse religions of having.

I've also come to realize based on my experience living in a working class neighborhood that poor people are just as selfish and cold hearted as the rich and the only difference between a poor and rich person is their economic status. Both have just as much greed in their hearts and both try to take whatever they can for themselves. A poor person lacks the ability to get rich but they will still try to take whatever they can.
It saddens me to say this but based on the people I've encountered that is what I've come to accept is part of the problem.

I am pointing this out because I feel as a liberal Democrat that we should be genuinely caring about one another and not have it be empty reteric. I wrote recently in my journal that Republicans try to pretend they have a brain and Democrats try to pretend they have a heart but they are both lacking them.
I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

Most people are hypocrites, most people don't like to think through their thoughts properly, most people don't like to check what they say is real or not, most people want to hide in their fantasy world where they're right all the time and everyone else is wrong.

Doesn't matter what freaking label you stick on these people.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

Most people are hypocrites, most people don't like to think through their thoughts properly, most people don't like to check what they say is real or not, most people want to hide in their fantasy world where they're right all the time and everyone else is wrong.

Doesn't matter what freaking label you stick on these people.

Your 100% correct and I've been guilty of this in the past it took some reflection to realize this and I decided to change it instead of making excuses for it. I think both Democrats and Republicans are hypocrites but since I am a Democrat I felt it appropriate to point out the flaws and hypocrisy within my party even though it just brought me ridicule and some people on here claiming I'm not a real Democrat....so by that definition I guess people that speak out against war or any wrong doing by our government are un-american? It's sad that a person can't speak out without being labeled or ridiculed.

 

[Moot]

Just because I pointed out flaws in the Democratic party does not make me less of a democrat. I am registered Democrat and have voted Democrat in the past but if I'm going to be ridiculed and accused of pushing right wing talking points then I can no problem changing my registration to independent and sitting out next year's election. Congratulations I hope bullying and making fun of people who point out flaws within the Democratic party makes you feel better. If this is how you are going to treat people within your own party who want it change for the better then I want no part of this.

You didn't point out flaws in the Democrat party.... you pointed out a few vague anecdotal stories that don't prove a thing. And it's the Democrat Party...not 'Democratic party'.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Your 100% correct and I've been guilty of this in the past it took some reflection to realize this and I decided to change it instead of making excuses for it. I think both Democrats and Republicans are hypocrites but since I am a Democrat I felt it appropriate to point out the flaws and hypocrisy within my party even though it just brought me ridicule and some people on here claiming I'm not a real Democrat....so by that definition I guess people that speak out against war or any wrong doing by our government are un-american? It's sad that a person can't speak out without being labeled or ridiculed.

Best thing, rather than point out the flaws of your own party, is to stop supporting that nonsense and push for something like proportional representation. It'd lead to less hypocrisy, more choice, less partisanship. The least corrupt countries in the world all have PR.

 

[Mcgovern_Gore]

Democratic Party is actually the correct term...This isn't even up for debate and it is Trump himself that used the incorrect term Democrat Party but since you and him have a lot in common I guess I shouldn't be surprised you support his use of bad grammar

 

[Irwin Corey]

Let me first start off by saying I am a registered Democrat who is left leaning in my political beliefs … I just feel people who are liberals should live up to that word and be genuinely caring and open minded and if we do not address problems or faults within our own party and society then we have no right to expect people to believe in what the party claims to stand for

Everything in between is opinion and conjecture. Of course "anyone" should continually take stock with a goal of becoming better. But to paint with a broad brush and criticize the Left in favor of the right, to be sure there are many people on the left that have room for improvement but that can be said of anyone. I feel sorry for anyone that looks at the world with **** collared glasses, as you have in this post. When I look at AmeriCANs, not those on this board, but my neighbors and friends … people on the street, by and large they are good people. They're out working hard to provide for their families and they LOVE These United States. They are the U.S., that is what is lost on this board; Left, Right or Independent we are … US. And that's why we ARE GREAT!!!

Right now we live in a very divisive culture, there ARE extreme views front and center EVERY DAY, and some of them have merit, but at the end of the day when we tuck our children in or wave good night to our grand kids, over some media???, and lay down with our mates we only want the best for every AmeriCAN; peace, love, prosperity and a secure future.

That isn't Left or Right, Capitalist or Liberal leaning. It is the will and drive to keep the Greatest Nation on earth GREAT! This OP is just one more example of what is wrong in America. But, what is wrong in America can EASILY be overcome by what is RIGHT in America … IF … WE recognize and honor the fact that we ARE ALL AmeriCANs.