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Anyone else a devote anti-Trumpist who has had it with lib BS too?

Obviously not, and I for one don’t mind taking down confederate statues, but when it goes to the founders and other great people in history, that is what I don’t like.

and that is teh problem isn't it?

No human is prefect and every human will find fault with another. Where do we draw the line.

And we too ignore the context of history.

This is why all statues should stay, I agree.
 
As stated before, I am a conservative never Trump Republican so yes I have some issues with the actions on the left but I find a couple things true. First is that the country is better off with a moderate Democrat who understands politics better than a hot headed, narcissistic, childish businessman pretending to be a conservative president. Secondly I feel the country needs to seriously consider a shift to the center as I become more of a moderate thanks to the Trump experiment. This division can’t continue.

I feel the same and I am a life long republican, never Trumper.
 
and that is teh problem isn't it?

No human is prefect and every human will find fault with another. Where do we draw the line.

And we too ignore the context of history.

This is why all statues should stay, I agree.
Well tearing down a statue of Abraham Lincoln because he used the N word at a time when using that word was socially acceptable is kinda silly.
 
Lemme see if I have this right...
You see a statue honoring Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin or Nathan Bedford Forrest, you don't know who they are, so it's just art.
Do I have that right?

So in essence everyone else who does know who these people are, including those whose family or ancestors might have been tortured or killed by them, must sink to YOUR level of ignorance because "you're done with the white man always goes last policies from the left."

Yeah, sorry but I think most folks would hear that rant and assume that person is a massive scumbag.
Don't even try to argue "I do KNOW who Hitler is" because we're talking about your defective logic, and those names are used to test that douchebag logic for the sake of discussion.
I could have substituted Jimmy Saville if we were in a thread about British children and statues honoring famous UK disc jockeys who were found out to be child molesters, and it would be the same trainload of douchebaggery.

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Real nice...to you it's just art!

This is a very poor post and my post was not a rant. This most certainly is however.

Best of luck to you.
 
Well tearing down a statue of Abraham Lincoln because he used the N word at a time when using that word was socially acceptable is kinda silly.

Bingo!

and I am sure old Abe offends maner "good ole' boys" turned Trumpist.

Taking down art as the winds change is moronic.
 
You are.

The point is that racist Democrats did not leave the party, rather it was working people. What you see is the new elitist Democrats spinning it to cover for the party abandoning its roots.
If the "working people" left the party, what's left is the non-working people. How are they "elite?"
 
If the "working people" left the party, what's left is the non-working people. How are they "elite?"
The same people calling Dems elites love guys like Josh Hawley who are the definition of elite. Jay does have some truth in what he says though, and the Dems really need to realize they need to go back to being the party of the working people, and not the party of everyone's feelings.
 
The same people calling Dems elites love guys like Josh Hawley who are the definition of elite. Jay does have some truth in what he says though, and the Dems really need to realize they need to go back to being the party of the working people, and not the party of everyone's feelings.
I disagree with this characterization. The right-wing, however, has been effective in getting people to believe it.
 
I disagree with this characterization. The right-wing, however, has been effective in getting people to believe it.
I don't need the rightwing to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. This is prime time for the Dems to really establish a strong majority, but all this woke bullshit will make elections closer than they should be.
 
Sorry, i do not worship others replicated in any form.
Your personal view is irrelevant to the true history and reasoning behind the existence of the Confederate statues.
It is misguided of you to so do.
Completely nonsensical response.

You posted;
Heck, it’s rare I even know who the statue in the park is of. To me it’s just art.
To which I responded; “I shouldn’t be.”

Clear your head and try for a coherent response.
 
I don't need the rightwing to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. This is prime time for the Dems to really establish a strong majority, but all this woke bullshit will make elections closer than they should be.
Meh. Opinion noted.
 
If the "working people" left the party, what's left is the non-working people. How are they "elite?"
Wall Street, trial lawyers, entertainers, and tech money have come to dominate Democratic party interests. Wage-earners moved initially to Reagan and more recently to Trump. There has also been a significant shift of Hispanics to the Republican party.

Are you telling me that any of this is news to you?
 
So, you are embracing the Democrat's new elitism. They used to be able to claim they were for the working stiff, but that's Republicans these days.


Situation normal, all F'ed up.
If you believe the Democratic party is elitist because conservative racists migrated to the Repub party then yes, I embrace the Democrat's new 'elitism'. Conservatives believe tax cuts for the rich paid by the working stiff, being educated past the 12th grade and not believing the big lie or that vaccines magnetizes makes you an elitist...
 
This is a very poor post and my post was not a rant. This most certainly is however.

Best of luck to you.

If it's so poor why aren't you taking it apart with your superior logic?
Defend your position that statues honoring slave-owning enemies of the republic are just art.
Add some turbo boost to your apologetics.
 
So Democrats put them up and now Democrats want to take them down in shame. Makes sense to me.
Every knows, or at least I thought everyone knew, that the democrats of 100 years ago are the republicans of today.

It doesn't take a party affiliation to be a racist.
 
If you believe the Democratic party is elitist because conservative racists migrated to the Repub party then yes, I embrace the Democrat's new 'elitism'. Conservatives believe tax cuts for the rich paid by the working stiff, being educated past the 12th grade and not believing the big lie or that vaccines magnetizes makes you an elitist...
If you believe half of what you just said, you have been drinking the Kool-Aid. Wage-earners left the Democrats and were replaced by the rich, whom you seem to dislike. The Tax cut benefitted the middle class, who also had real wage growth under Trump for the first time in a generation.

Still, you can throw out the pejoratives with the best and looking down your nose does make you elitest.

Every knows, or at least I thought everyone knew, that the democrats of 100 years ago are the republicans of today.
The post above proves that no everyone knows.

If you mean Union rank and file and other hourly working people, you are correct. If you mean those supporting the League of Nations, higher taxes, and increased regulation of transport, not so much.

It doesn't take a party affiliation to be a racist.
Correct. Democrats can be just as racist as anyone else, though they project their racism more often.
 
For example, I am as pissed about all the statues being removed as I am about Trump being incapable of speaking the truth.

I am done with, "the white man always goes last" policies from the left.

I am sick of BLM madness.

How about you?
Hey, maybe there is hope for you after all. The far left are out of touch with the average American, which very much contributed to Trump winning in 2016. I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016 and don't particularly like him but I sure as hell voted for him in 2020 just because of your post. The left are going too far with their politically correct cancel culture bullshit where they stick up for everyone but the white working guy. And, they let BLM terrorize the entire country day after day after day after day for over a year and then want to make a big deal about ONE day on Jan 6th. All of this has also caused an explosion of increased violence and crime in just about every city in America. I used to be moderate and voted both sides but the left have just fallen off the edge of the Earth to the point I had to vote for a disgusting human being in 2020 when I really didn't want to. And, Democratic policies have led to an explosion in inflation, which they keep on claiming is just transitory and yet they keep on expanding the time frame of transitory.
 
For example, I am as pissed about all the statues being removed as I am about Trump being incapable of speaking the truth.

I am done with, "the white man always goes last" policies from the left.

I am sick of BLM madness.

How about you?
Devote? When will conservatives learn to spell?
 
Every knows, or at least I thought everyone knew, that the democrats of 100 years ago are the republicans of today.

It doesn't take a party affiliation to be a racist.
Political parties retool and reinvent themselves all the time.
In 1956 the Republican platform honored unions, labor and higher wages.
I might have gladly considered joining if I'd been of voting age in 1956, although I'd surely be one of the more liberal ones who also believed in civil rights.
 
So, you are conceding this point. Good enough.

He did not end trade deficits but he did increase exports substantially.

You're cherry-picking. Where is your list of campaign promises?

End illegal immigration. Check
America First. Check
Reduce regulation. Check
Pull us out of wars. Check
Renegotiate trade deals. Check
Grow the economy. Check
Reduce unemployment. Check
New Healthcare system. No
Drain the Swamp. So-so

There is a reason he is nicknamed the Promise Keeper. If he failed it was not for lack of trying.

You also have not given a standard that can be applied to any President.
End illegal immigration. :Fail
America First :Fail
Reduce regulation :check, but at the cost of environmetntal damage.
Renegotiate Trade Deals : Fail. It was more smoke and mirriors and claims than anything of substance. The cost of the tarriffs was high on the debt.
Grow the Economy: So-so, it was at the same pace as under Obama, but used up all the 'let's get out of a recession' tricks, and increase debt drastically.
Reduce Unemployment : Well, there are a lot of low paying jobs that got filled
 
Me? I'm wondering what any of this has to do with liberals.
The statues of Confederate "heroes" are down. Quit your whining.
BS. Whining?? You must seriously consider your speech. Nobody is "whining," just presenting a point of view. I would suggest that your stop resorting to hyperbole and low blows. If you knew anything about history - which clearly you don't because you have no idea how these people lived those centuries ago, their mores, their education, their life expectancy or the limited they aspired to, you would not be so imbecilic as to see statues as "heroes or villains." Seriously. Thanks!!
 
BS. Whining?? You must seriously consider your speech. Nobody is "whining," just presenting a point of view. I would suggest that your stop resorting to hyperbole and low blows. If you knew anything about history - which clearly you don't because you have no idea how these people lived those centuries ago, their mores, their education, their life expectancy or the limited they aspired to, you would not be so imbecilic as to see statues as "heroes or villains." Seriously. Thanks!!
If their “mores” included support of the objective of maintaining slavery, does that make them heroes?
 
End illegal immigration. :Fail
America First :Fail
Reduce regulation :check, but at the cost of environmetntal damage.
Renegotiate Trade Deals : Fail. It was more smoke and mirriors and claims than anything of substance. The cost of the tarriffs was high on the debt.
Grow the Economy: So-so, it was at the same pace as under Obama, but used up all the 'let's get out of a recession' tricks, and increase debt drastically.
Reduce Unemployment : Well, there are a lot of low paying jobs that got filled
You can claim Trump did not end all illegal immigration. It's nitpicking, but you can make that claim. It's still a promise fulfilled because of significant progress.
You cannot claim Trump did not engage in America First foreign. That's simply wrong.
You cannot fail on trade deals when the signatures are on the page.
Trump exceeded Obama's economy and did it with rising interest rates.
Rather than more low-paying jobs, which was an Obama thing, Trump had growth in real salaries.

Two out of five you missed completely. The other three are more subtly wrong. It was a five-pitch at-bat, but you struck out.
 
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