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Any thought that maybe the entire 2A is a massive mistake?

i'm still wondering what happens when some inventor invents a way to 3D print (or some new technology) high capacity guns/weapons at home.

or a way to make ammunition (at home) that will take out a city after it goes through some kid's head.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except if that was true countries like Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Myanmar would be the freest on the planet.

Are they?

No?

Hmm......sounds like having lots of guns does not, in fact, prevent an oppressive government from coming to power.
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None of those countries have anywhere near the number of guns per capita that the US has.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hate to burst your favorite myth, but being armed has nothing to do with “preserving liberty”.
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Even if that were true, so what? It still gives the population the ability to fight back if need be.
 
aociswundumho said:
Even if that were true, so what? It still gives the population the ability to fight back if need be.
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Deluded fantasies about “fighting government tyranny” are not something to be basing policy off of, especially when in reality an actual authoritarian regime in the US is most likely to come from the right and would quite easily co-opt those who hoard weapons’ hatred of “the left” and “Antifa”.
 
Mithrae said:
Far as I can tell the 2A is entirely consistent with sensible gun regulations: Training/licensing for ownership, background checks, safe home storage regulations, requirement of membership at a registered local shooting range etc. It literally says "well regulated militia," not poorly regulated lone wolf gun ownership.

The issue is the partisanship, the use of it as a 'divide and rule' wedge issue that the donor class don't much care about one way or the other and (I've come to strongly suspect) the understanding among Republicans that gun proliferation harms black people at a far greater rate both in terms of criminal violence and in killings by a stressed-out fearful police force.
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another left-winger who hasn't a clue about constitutional scholarship
 
Tigerace117 said:
Deluded fantasies about “fighting government tyranny” are not something to be basing policy off of, especially when in reality an actual authoritarian regime in the US is most likely to come from the right and would quite easily co-opt those who hoard weapons’ hatred of “the left” and “Antifa”.
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ah the typical Tigerace 117 straw man.
 
Tigerace117 said:
......you do realize that the Lexington militia got its ass kicked, right? When it came to a stand up fight the militias failed miserably.....which was a recurring theme.
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British casualties were 250 vs 90 for the militia. The militia successfully drove the British back to Boston. Doesn't exactly sound like an ass kicking to me.
 
dncc said:
Well, name another country that has looked at our 2nd Amendment and said, "Wow, we need one of those!".

That should tell you what a great idea it is/was.
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The Czech Republic
 
aociswundumho said:
That technology already exists.
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the ammo that takes out an entire city after putting a bullet in a person's head?

and i don't think you can 3D print certain parts of the weapon. at least that's what people here have said previously.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
British casualties were 250 vs 90 for the militia. The militia successfully drove the British back to Boston. Doesn't exactly sound like an ass kicking to me.
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Tigerace is a big fan of government authoritarianism and hates anyone who opposes such things, HIs answer to every gun issue is claiming that the citizens cannot prevent tyranny.
 
CaughtInThe said:
the ammo that takes out an entire city after putting a bullet in a person's head?

and i don't think you can 3D print certain parts of the weapon. at least that's what people here have said previously.
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you can, its just that some printed things won't last all that long.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
British casualties were 250 vs 90 for the militia. The militia successfully drove the British back to Boston. Doesn't exactly sound like an ass kicking to me.
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The clash at Lexington, which you specifically cited, saw about eighty militamen engaging the British; the Lexington militia lost eight dead and ten wounded, and inflicted only one casualty in response.

Concord was a different story, but you specifically stated Lexington.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Nope, gun obsessives routinely fantasize that it’s their hoarding of firearms that prevents tyranny.

In reality....not so much.
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this has nothing to do with either parts of your straw man argument.
 
ataraxia said:
Ukraine had pretty reasonable gun laws.
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Of course they did.

And now they have a brutal dictator attacking them, and they had to train fighters with cardboard guns. I'm not sure that they are happy to be in their current situation.
 
aociswundumho said:
Why not? Aren't the people better off having the ability to fight back if need be?
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He hates the thought of citizens fighting against an oppressive government. His posts fantasize about being ROLF in "the Sound of Music"
 
TurtleDude said:
Tigerace is a big fan of government authoritarianism and hates anyone who opposes such things, HIs answer to every gun issue is claiming that the citizens cannot prevent tyranny.
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Tankies are gonna tank. His avatar couldn't be more accurate.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The clash at Lexington, which you specifically cited, saw about eighty militamen engaging the British; the Lexington militia lost eight dead and ten wounded, and inflicted only one casualty in response.

Concord was a different story, but you specifically stated Lexington.
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Regardless, it's not the ass kicking you made it out to be.
 
TurtleDude said:
you can, its just that some printed things won't last all that long.
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Then THAT is the way for the Mafia and gangbangers to get weapons (as soon as the technology gets a little better).

Or even husbands who are getting ready to gun down their own wife.
 
aociswundumho said:
Why not? Aren't the people better off having the ability to fight back if need be?
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Because it doesn’t actually work, as numerous examples from Syria to Myanmar have shown quite clearly.

On the other hands, history is filled with peaceful protest movements from the Philippines to Tunisia to Russia to Argentina toppling dictators.
 
TurtleDude said:
this has nothing to do with either parts of your straw man argument.
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Once again, hoarding guns has nothing to do with “liberty” or “preventing tyranny”, no matter much you squeal about imaginary “strawmen”.
 
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