Any fans of Star Trek?

[CLAX1911]

No. Although, R&M is awesome too. The new season is coming out in May.

I liked the first season but as it surged in popularity Rick became a Mary Sue

 

[CLAX1911]

No. Although, R&M is awesome too. The new season is coming out in May.

I'll have to check it out

 

[Gordy327]

I'll have to check it out

It has lots of Easter eggs and callbacks to other series & characters. One needs a keen eye to spot them all. The USS Titan with Capt. Riker makes it's canonical appearance in the series too.

 

[Gordy327]

I liked the first season but as it surged in popularity Rick became a Mary Sue

Hardly. Rick was a very flawed character, but the smartest man in the universe.
"I'm as smart as you are dumb!" Rick to Morty

 

[bongsaway]

My thoughts (I have not watched much of the new stuff)

TOS- oh boy, there are some of the best Star Trek here. Absolute classics like The City of the Edge of Forever, Balance of Terror, Journey to Babel, The Trouble with tribbles, Mirror Mirror, Amok Time and Let that be your last Battlefield. But then it also just have some of the worst Drek. And no Spock's Brain is not the worst Trek episode, because at least Spock's brain is funny. And there is so many things in TOS that's just creepy, usually because of Roddenberry. Seriously, screw Roddenberry.

TNG.... -okay, TNG is great, but also there is the first two seasons..... Especially Season 1 is a hard watch with alot of pure Drek. Season 2 is a little better and has classics like Measure of a Man. From Season 3 onwards TNG is mostly good, but each Season has some Drek you just want to skip. Actually TNG started to get better once Roddenberry was "kicked upstairs". Imagine that.

DS9- my favorite, an alternative take on Trek that still fits within the universe of TNG. DS9 i the show that goes alot into the politics of the Federation and various alien civilizations. It's the most continuity driven off the old Trek shows. It's not perfect but it's vvery much my Trek show that I enjoy the most.

Voyager- I feel Voyager should have been good. But there are many things hampering it. A weaker cast, trying too much to just be TNG, basically wasting the premise of being a lost Federtation ship far from home, often blamed for making the Borg lame, but the problem here is the Borg was always inevitably becoming lame, because the more you show them the lamer they get. Voyager was a show with potential, but the writing wasn't there. It has some good episodes and moments, for sure.

Enterprise: Oh man, alot of it unfortunately just sucks. Many characters are just written inconsistently and often quite bad. Many of the stories are just weak, even though there are good premises. Archer being a bumbling idiot would be great, if he was actually written to be a bumbling idiot, now he comes of as an idiot because bad writing and characterization. The era of Pre- Federation humanity, and the human first steps into the Trek universe is great on paper, but then most of the show instead becomes a jumbled mess of a "Time War", where they fight aliens called the "Sulibans", because it rhymes with the Talebans I guess. The Time War storyline never really gets a satisfying conclusion, and is basically ejected by Season 3, that has the Xindi arc, which has some good episodes, but also unfortunately loads and loads of Drek. And let's not wven talk about the Nazi Aliens. Season 4 though is actually good. My recommendation is: just watch Season 4 (from episode 2, episode 1 is just tying up the mess Season 3 left the show in with the darn Nazi plot).

I haven't really watched the new stuff, except Picard season 1, that started interesting, but then just became really bad.

But about new Trek, I know people yell about it being WOKE. However these people has never watched Old Trek. Old Trek is WOKE as ****.

Lol, talk about dei. I think one of the reasons the original was so loved and is till around, DEI.

 

[CLAX1911]

Hardly. Rick was a very flawed character, but the smartest man in the universe.
"I'm as smart as you are dumb!" Rick to Morty

Flawed yes but there were no stakes. I lost interest

 

[Cordelier]

Yeah I wasn't a fan of the remakes. Not that the actors were bad it just doesn't compare. I don't know why they want to remake it when I create new characters?

I don't think there's a whole lot of imagination in Hollywood anymore. What they pump out these days is all groupthink. Remakes, sequels, adaptations of foreign TV series. Even with all of our streaming content providers, very seldom do you see anybody take a risk and put out something truly new and different and edgy anymore. Think how different Star Trek must have been to anything else on TV when it came out in 1966 - about the closest thing to it was probably Lost in Space. Then you have this show come out and it's tackling controversial issues in society head-on. Who's taking those risks today? What risks did they take with the remake movies? Like you say, they didn't even risk making up new characters! It's the triumph of the corporations over the creatives.

 

[Roadvirus]

To be fair, Discovery does get better. Even TNG had a shacky start the first couple seasons.

The first season was a bit rocky.

Lots of shows have a rocky starts. Work out the kinks, see what works & what doesn't and so on.

 

[Gordy327]

The first season was a bit rocky.

Lots of shows have a rocky starts. Work out the kinks, see what works & what doesn't and so on.

Indeed. DS9 & Voyager had their spotty moments their first come seasons.

 

[Roadvirus]

Ran.across this and since we're on the topic....

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Alot of Red Shirts bought it in the episode Obsession (blood-draining cloud).

And the Federation Time Cops noted that Kirk is the worst offender (biggest file on record) when it comes to temporal violations. In the DS9 ep Trials and Tribble-ations, 2 agents with the dept. stated he had "17 separate temporal violations" (most of which probably came from the events of Star Trek: The Voyage Home).

 

[Gordy327]

Alot of Red Shirts bought it in the episode Obsession (blood-draining cloud).

24 redshift died over the course of TOS.

And the Federation Time Cops noted that Kirk is the worst offender (biggest file on record) when it comes to temporal violations. In the DS9 ep Trials and Tribble-ations, 2 agents with the dept. stated he had "17 separate temporal violations" (most of which probably came from the events of Star Trek: The Voyage Home).

Most likely. Although there were the time travels in: The Naked Time, Assignment:Earth, and Tomorrow is Yesterday.

 

[Roadvirus]

24 redshift died over the course of TOS.

I know, but that ep saw a lot of Red Shirts get taken out.

Most likely. Although there were the time travels in: The Naked Time, Assignment:Earth, and Tomorrow is Yesterday.

No damage resulted from Tomorrow is Yesterday. They hit the reset button on the things when they sent the pilot of the jet back to the moment they were spotted. As far as any note in history, their "appearance" was just a blip among the plethora of "UFO sightings" of the time.

Also, don't forget The City on the Edge of Forever.

 

[Gordy327]

I know, but that ep saw a lot of Red Shirts get taken out.



No damage resulted from Tomorrow is Yesterday. They hit the reset button on the things when they sent the pilot of the jet back to the moment they were spotted. As far as any note in history, their "appearance" was just a blip among the plethora of "UFO sightings" of the time.

Also, don't forget The City on the Edge of Forever.

How could I forget CotEoF? But that one was more of a correction in time, even though Bones caused the time issue to begin with. But as long as there does not seem to be permanent harm, Temporal Investigations generally overlooks temporal incursions. That's how Capt. Sisko got off the hook.