Any bets on Arbery case?

[independentusa]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

 

[Emily L]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

It's like that old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

 

[Gaius46]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

Arbery is about as different from Rittenhouse as you can get.

 

[Integrityrespec]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

I think there is a point where the victim and assailant could change positions. I think that happened with Travon Martin. In Arbery case I'm not sure. Video is a powerful tool if you have it. In the Arbery case there is some video so it depends on what is shows. In the Rittenhouse case is was pretty clear that Rittenhouse was pursued and attacked, thus the verdict in that case. There is a claim by the defendant that Arbery attacked him when he past the truck, I really don't know.

 

[Roger Duke]

Arbery is about as different from Rittenhouse as you can get.

Rittenhouse didn't kill any Black people so I think the protests this weekend will be pretty minor. Unless the weather is good in liberal cities. They are always looking for free sneakers and video games. With the cost of living so high in those places, you always take advantage of a robust riot.

 

[gbg3]

My guess is a pretty good chance of a guilty verdict in this case.

 

[Chillfolks]

To my knowledge unlike the Rittenhouse case this one has no vireo evidence to back up the self defense claim. Not to mention the case doesn’t sound like self defense to me in any way. I suspect a guilty verdict

 

[VySky]

Guilty

 

[MaryP]

Arbery is about as different from Rittenhouse as you can get.

In some ways it's identical: the vigilante mindset of charging off with guns to play cop (why does it always seem to be against black people?) led to a situation where a life or death struggle took place and the need for self defense was clear. How they arrived at that point is where the cases seem to differ.

 

[noonereal]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

It is shocking to think anyone can come up to you, start a fight, than kill you the second you fight back.

American the great is dead. Trumpism has killed her.

 

[jnug]

Take the Prosecutor in the Georgia case to Wisconsin. Give Wisconsin Georgia's self defense standard for burden of proof and Rittenhouse does not walk IMO.

I suspect a guilty verdict comes down in Georgia. The only hope the defendants have is a totally paranoid Jury that was visiting the same social media sites as the defendants visit and that swallowed the same BS.

 

[Gaius46]

In some ways it's identical: the vigilante mindset of charging off with guns to play cop (why does it always seem to be against black people?) led to a situation where a life or death struggle took place and the need for self defense was clear. How they arrived at that point is where the cases seem to differ.

Take all the vigilante stuff away and Rittenhouse was a simple self defense case.

Arbery is not. He wasn’t armed and he apparently didn’t initiate the encounter (that is very important since if you initiate use of force you generally cannot claim self defense if you kill the other guy).

 

[TheParser]

For goodness' sake.

We all know that those three gentleman are going down.

As some people have correctly pointed out, Mr. R. had a chance only because he shot people of his own ethnicity.

But those three defendants in the other case shot someone of another ethnicity.

Another ethnicity for whom the Dems and the media express great solicitude.

No jury would dare acquit them.

In fact, those men are aware of that, for the liberal media are reporting that at least one of the defendants is looking for a plea deal.

 

[Gaius46]

To my knowledge unlike the Rittenhouse case this one has no vireo evidence to back up the self defense claim. Not to mention the case doesn’t sound like self defense to me in any way. I suspect a guilty verdict

There is video.

 

[ClaraD]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, then people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

If this one is not guilty it will be proof that Georgia cannot change its stripes...however, I am betting they will be found guilty.....not even the judge is impressed this time.

 

[MaryP]

Take all the vigilante stuff away and Rittenhouse was a simple self defense case.

Arbery is not. He wasn’t armed, he wasn’t a threat. It’s a straight up murder case.

Rosenbaum wasn't armed either and Arbery was very definitely a threat when he decided to stop running and try to disarm McMichael.

 

[ClaraD]

To my knowledge unlike the Rittenhouse case this one has no vireo evidence to back up the self defense claim. Not to mention the case doesn’t sound like self defense to me in any way. I suspect a guilty verdict

um...there is a video start to finish...one of the accused filmed it himself.

 

[ClaraD]

Arbery is about as different from Rittenhouse as you can get.

not really...both say that they were afraid that the person who was shot would take their gun...both took a gun where it did not need to be taken into...and both were in over their heads.....Arbery did indeed fight for the gun..and they shot him for it...but he was certainly within his rights to fight for the gun...Georgia law is a bit more clear than Wisconsin law on a few things.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Rittenhouse didn't kill any Black people so I think the protests this weekend will be pretty minor. Unless the weather is good in liberal cities. They are always looking for free sneakers and video games. With the cost of living so high in those places, you always take advantage of a robust riot.

So you are saying it's all about race. That's typical of what we hear from the left. They are currently making the argument that the white protestors/rioters, were protesting for the injustice done to Jacob Blake. There lies the race factor.

 

[ClaraD]

Rosenbaum wasn't armed either and Arbery was very definitely a threat when he decided to stop running and try to disarm McMichael.

oh he was, but he was justified in fighting...he tried to escape them, multiple times...and they followed him and blocked him in...they left him no option but to fight. In fact, the elder McMichael's told Arbery he was going to blow his ****ing head off.

 

[ClaraD]

So you are saying it's all about race. That's typical of what we hear from the left. They are currently making the argument that the white protestors/rioters, were protesting for the injustice done to Jacob Blake. There lies the race factor.

there is tons of history of racial injustice in our court systems. Not all of it ended in 1964

 

[wolfsgirl]

Rosenbaum wasn't armed either and Arbery was very definitely a threat when he decided to stop running and try to disarm McMichael.

Arbery had a right to defend himself against the three men who had chased hin for nearly 5 minutes and then aimed a gun at him. He was not the aggressor.
As far as I know you are not allowed to chase down, threaten to kill, and draw weapons on someone then claim self defense when they defend against your continued attack.

 

[Fishking]

They way things are going in this country with cases involving white shooters, I would not be surprised at a not guilty verdict. Like the Travon case, the Rittenhouse case and this one, the people who instigated the incident say self defense and the juries say not guilty. I guess you should not walk to your sisters in the dark, go to a protest, or even just jog down the street in this country because some person with a gun looking for someone to shoot will kill you.

Not comparable.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Rosenbaum wasn't armed either and Arbery was very definitely a threat when he decided to stop running and try to disarm McMichael.

there is tons of history of racial injustice in our court systems. Not all of it ended in 1964

There is tons of history of injustice in our court systems that has nothing to do with race. It hasn't ended.
Rosenbaum was chasing Rittenhouse, he didn't just stumble upon him,. he chased him into that parking lot. He went after him. In that situation is Rittenhouse supposed to wait until Rosenbaum kicks his ass before he takes action?

 

[Gaius46]

not really...both say that they were afraid that the person who was shot would take their gun...both took a gun where it did not need to be taken into...and both were in over their heads.....Arbery did indeed fight for the gun..and they shot him for it...but he was certainly within his rights to fight for the gun...Georgia law is a bit more clear than Wisconsin law on a few things.

The Arbery guys may not - probably don’t - have a legitimate self defense claim. Rittenhouse did.