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Anti-maskers explain themselves

Better still, they not be allowed out.

if the problem continues, they should be subject to fines. we fine people for not wearing seatbelts, and that only affects the person in question. being a militantly maskless moron has the potential to affect far more people than not wearing a seatbelt does.
 
There is so much ignorance in your post that I don't know where to begin. Sweden, for example, has a much higher death rate than any of its Scandinavian neighbours. Nobody is immune to this disease, not even you with your dismissive attitude.

Sweden has a comparable death rate with the UK. No lockdown and less damage to the economy.
"Immune" has many meanings. The only meaningful meaning is "immune to dying". 80% of the carriers don't even know they have it.
 
You really are clueless on this. There is NO evidence of any conferred immunity post-infection, either short-term or long-term, and the older you are the more likely it is that your antibody reaction won't be anywhere near as strong as when you were a kid.
The idea that a cheap piece of cloth can stop the spread is so idiotic....At best, it can slow it down, which we were told would flatten the curve of demand for health services. Now, the little Hitlers like Cuomo and that retard de-Blasio, switched to "until we have a vaccine".
 
The idea that a cheap piece of cloth can stop the spread is so idiotic....At best, it can slow it down, which we were told would flatten the curve of demand for health services. Now, the little Hitlers like Cuomo and that retard de-Blasio, switched to "until we have a vaccine".
"At best it can slow it down". That's the whole point, and that's a bad thing? Nobody ever claimed that masks were a solution any more than car seat belts will stop you getting injured or killed 100% of the time. But they HELP prevent death and injury. Masks are no different in that regard.
 
You are too used to responding with platitudes. I did not make a medical argument. This is essentially no different than leaving your plastic cup, or your McDonald's burger wrap, or your dog's pile behind you. Its tacky. Its crass. Its littering. You are leaving stuff behind that you should be taking with you and you can reasonably take with you. Take your damn saliva particles with you, or stay out of the public. I really don't care if you throw your cigarettes or garbage around your own home and I don't care if your poodle craps in your house. You can create as much spit mist as you want at home too. Its a new civic and social expectation in public spaces that has legal force behind it in some jurisdiction. In most there is also a civic and social expectation that you wear clothing too.
I cover my nose and my mouth to stop those evil particles. Just as civilized people have been doing it for the last 10,000 years. Don't you?
OK, let's assume that the Chinavirus is gone. There are other diseases. Does that mean that humanity is now and forever stuck with masks?
Or, how many lockdowns per century can we afford? 20? 5? How about 2? If so, how about none and let nature take its course with basic hygiene?
 
I want numbers how they filter and how they affect the wearers negatively - short and long term. The headaches are the first proof that the masks have a negative effect on many.
We demand that everything - including ****roaches and rats - must be studied before we build another dam. Do you know a study that would numerically document what effects masks have on the wearers, in general, and, specifically, on those with compromised blood circulation? Was it published?

BTW, science does not use adjectives. When you see adjectives, it's not science.
You want, sounds like it's time for you to do some research and find out or are you expecting somebody else to do this for you? All your posts say to me is you are the type of person who does not plan ahead and in general disrespects authority.
 
"At best it can slow it down". That's the whole point, and that's a bad thing? Nobody ever claimed that masks were a solution any more than car seat belts will stop you getting injured or killed 100% of the time. But they HELP prevent death and injury. Masks are no different in that regard.
Bad analogy. Belts protect the wearer. Masks don't. In fact, some claim that masks are bad as they make the wearers feel immune - just like the AWD SUV's make drivers feel in control and safe and end up in the ditch even more often than the normal drivers who are scared of ice on the road.
Flattening the curve has to with deaths only if the hospitals run at full capacity.
They don't. The two ships Trumps wheeled in in NYC and LA were always empty. Many hospitals had to lay off their nurses and doctors. How many non-virus people died from lack of care we are not told by the virus mafia.
 
Fact is, if I 'm not strong enough to live to tell about catching Covid, then it was meant to be. Americans put themselves first, the collective benefit is a byproduct.
 
You want, sounds like it's time for you to do some research and find out or are you expecting somebody else to do this for you? All your posts say to me is you are the type of person who does not plan ahead and in general disrespects authority.
I don't expect anything. I want the numbers that are inconvenient to the fearmongers to be available just as easily as the "cases". They are not.
Quickly, how many people in the 20 to 65 age group died FROM (not with) the chinavirus without any underlying conditions.
I will be back in 15...
 
If someone can find another way to ensure that they are not littering with their saliva, I will be happy to consider it. I don't want to walk through some strangers spit particles. I don't want them landing on my stuff. Its rude and selfish not to contain your saliva. Stay home and pout and sulk all you want, and pound your laptop keys as hard and long as you want about science, but contain your spit mist in something and take it all home with you.
If only the masks could keep their idiocy contained.
 
You really are clueless on this. There is NO evidence of any conferred immunity post-infection, either short-term or long-term, and the older you are the more likely it is that your antibody reaction won't be anywhere near as strong as when you were a kid.

Not clueless. Doing it on purpose.
 
You are too used to responding with platitudes. I did not make a medical argument. This is essentially no different than leaving your plastic cup, or your McDonald's burger wrap, or your dog's pile behind you. Its tacky. Its crass. Its littering. You are leaving stuff behind that you should be taking with you and you can reasonably take with you. Take your damn saliva particles with you, or stay out of the public. I really don't care if you throw your cigarettes or garbage around your own home and I don't care if your poodle craps in your house. You can create as much spit mist as you want at home too. Its a new civic and social expectation in public spaces that has legal force behind it in some jurisdiction. In most there is also a civic and social expectation that you wear clothing too.
The old saying goes, "If you expect to rate with women, don't expectorate in public."
 

“If I’m going to get Covid and die from it, then so be it.”


At the outset of the pandemic, Amy, a 48-year-old mother of two from Ohio, was afraid. When the government began recommending people wear masks, she not only complied but also made masks for others. “I was like, oh, this is scary, this could be really bad,” she said.

But when Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine announced the state would extend its lockdown for the month of May, she’d had it. Pandemic over or not, she was done. After that, Amy became vehemently anti-mask and began to doubt whether the coronavirus was really that big of a deal. Her mother unfollowed her on Facebook over her “anger posts” about masks, and she hasn’t heard from her in a month. She carries a homemade mask with her, just in case, but she doesn’t believe in them.

“It’s a violation of my freedom, I think, and then also I just don’t think they work,” Amy said. “A lot of stuff says it does, but then some doesn’t.”

Masks have become an extremely heated point of contention during the Covid-19 outbreak. Viral videos of people having meltdowns over masks are commonplace, and in many parts of the country, it’s not abnormal for strangers to confront each other publicly over the issue. A small but vocal segment of the population has dug in and ignored the growing evidence that masks make a difference in combating the coronavirus. For those who believe that at the very least wearing a mask can’t hurt, it’s hard to not develop some animosity toward those who refuse. The question I keep hearing from pro-mask friends and family is always the same: What are these people thinking?

In recent weeks, I spoke with nearly a dozen people who consider themselves anti-mask to find out just that. What I discovered is that there is certainly a broad spectrum of reasons — some find wearing a mask annoying or just aren’t convinced they work, and others have gone down a rabbit hole of conspiracies that often involve vaccines, Big Pharma, YouTube, and Bill Gates. One man told me he wears a mask when he goes to the store to be polite. A woman got kicked out of a Menards store for refusing to wear a mask amid what she calls the “Covid scam garbage.”
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People have changed quite a bit since 1918. But the Spanish Flu was very different. You could eat breakfast & be dead by nightfall.


An incomplete declaration typical of a person in denial. The honest, complete statement would be “If I’m going to get or give Covid and I or others die from it, then so be it.”
 
I don't expect anything. I want the numbers that are inconvenient to the fearmongers to be available just as easily as the "cases". They are not.
Quickly, how many people in the 20 to 65 age group died FROM (not with) the chinavirus without any underlying conditions.
I will be back in 15...

No numbers would make you happy, you're nothing but a troll out to stir the crap. Nobody has died from covid, they were all deaths from other reasons who happened to also have covid. Feel better? All your posts are CT.
 
An incomplete declaration typical of a person in denial. The honest, complete statement would be “If I’m going to get or give Covid and I or others die from it, then so be it.”
I've suggested before that those that object to masks should get ones printed with "**** you" on them, because not wearing a mask expresses the same thought.
 
No numbers would make you happy, you're nothing but a troll out to stir the crap. Nobody has died from covid, they were all deaths from other reasons who happened to also have covid. Feel better? All your posts are CT.
BS. CDC reported that 6% died from the chinavirus and without any underlying conditions, UC's. That's the only number that should be the guide. If you (editorial) are a fat pig, with high blood pressure, diabetes, and a heart condition - all earned over the lifetime of idiotic behavior - don't come to me for sympathy when you are dead. We told you to knock it off.

The virus mafia likes with more and avoids from because the numbers are more scary and more lilely to make the sheep comply with the little Hitlers' orders.

BTW, the same CDC reported that the average death with the virus includes 2.5 of UC's. Combine that with the median age of 78 and it's a miracle they lived THAT long.
 
if the problem continues, they should be subject to fines. we fine people for not wearing seatbelts, and that only affects the person in question. being a militantly maskless moron has the potential to affect far more people than not wearing a seatbelt does.
And if they don't pay up, lock them up far away from sensible people. Teach the selfish, inconsiderate libertarian loons a lesson they won't forget.
 
And if they don't pay up, lock them up far away from sensible people. Teach the selfish, inconsiderate libertarian loons a lesson they won't forget.

If they don't pay, they can be charged interest.
 
I cover my nose and my mouth to stop those evil particles. Just as civilized people have been doing it for the last 10,000 years. Don't you?
OK, let's assume that the Chinavirus is gone. There are other diseases. Does that mean that humanity is now and forever stuck with masks?
Or, how many lockdowns per century can we afford? 20? 5? How about 2? If so, how about none and let nature take its course with basic hygiene?
Actually, that is what I am proposing. For the most part, we are stuck wearing the following when we go to a store, a play, a dentist, a barber and our jobs: two shoes, two socks, underwear, a shirt, pants or a dress and we have been for centuries. Discarding hygiene, its been ok to do all that for less reason than this mask. I fully intend to keep right on wearing this mask after this 'crisis' has abated, because I now see it a rude not to contain that spit mist in common public areas that I create.
 
I want numbers how they filter and how they affect the wearers negatively - short and long term. The headaches are the first proof that the masks have a negative effect on many.
We demand that everything - including ****roaches and rats - must be studied before we build another dam. Do you know a study that would numerically document what effects masks have on the wearers, in general, and, specifically, on those with compromised blood circulation? Was it published?

BTW, science does not use adjectives. When you see adjectives, it's not science.
How about this? Clearly no mask is 100% effective but it’s better than none. Again, do you disagree? If so let’s see your numbers.

 
The idea that a cheap piece of cloth can stop the spread is so idiotic....At best, it can slow it down, which we were told would flatten the curve of demand for health services. Now, the little Hitlers like Cuomo and that retard de-Blasio, switched to "until we have a vaccine".

It really isn't an idiotic idea at all; medical professionals use them during surgery as well as other applications to prevent them from spreading germs. The concept itself is pretty simple, and while N95 masks would be ideal to increase the odds of the wearer catching the disease, other masks are used to prevent those asymptomatic folks from spreading it to others.

At this stage of reopening economies, encouraging mask use as people are coming more in contact with each other makes sense to help prevent the spread of droplets, but also as a reminder of adhering to prevention protocols.
 
The only thing worse
Actually, that is what I am proposing. For the most part, we are stuck wearing the following when we go to a store, a play, a dentist, a barber and our jobs: two shoes, two socks, underwear, a shirt, pants or a dress and we have been for centuries. Discarding hygiene, its been ok to do all that for less reason than this mask. I fully intend to keep right on wearing this mask after this 'crisis' has abated, because I now see it a rude not to contain that spit mist in common public areas that I create.
I am so happy for you. Just don't force me to do the same.
When was the last you were spitting in "common public areas"? Give me the date and place and how close were the people next to you.
 
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I am so happy for you. Just don't force me to do the same.
When was the last you were spitting in "common public areas"? Give me the date and place and close were the people next to you.
I won't any more than I force you to wear clothes when you go to the mall or to pick up your dog's pile off somebody's lawn. A city ordinance does this stuff, and I am happy to let it. The last time I did not wear a mask in a public common area was probably a couple of months ago. And that hopefully was the last time I created a 'spit mist' that I left behind me. Because people don't need to collect that huge wad of saliva and mucus we refer to in high school as a 'loogie', in their mouths, open wide and expectorate to create a spit mist, I did not form a positive intent to spit that I can recall. We can create a positive intent to avoid leaving that spit mist when we wear a mask.
 
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