ANSWERS TO ATHEIST NONSENSE

[Manc Skipper]

That's what I expect on this forum.

Yet you flail hopelessly against it. To what end?

 

[Ganondagan]

Yet you flail hopelessly against it. To what end?

To educate you.

 

[rahl]

To educate you.

By not knowing material evidence is all that actually exists?

 

[tosca1]

There is exactly zero evidence that a god of any kind exists.

Read #6,638 and 6,639, and 6,644.

I'm assuming you haven't read the OP that I was talking about.

We won't get anywhere unless you read it. Your comment is exactly like that of some atheists here.....and they've been soundly rebutted.

 

[tosca1]

Science does not agree with you.

Have a nice day, David.

 

[rahl]

Read #6,638 and 6,639, and 6,644.

I did.

I'm assuming you haven't read the OP that I was talking about.

I did. There is exactly zero evidence for any god of any kind.

We won't get anywhere unless you read it.

I’ve read it. We won’t get anywhere because you can’t acknowledge reality.

Your comment is exactly like that of some atheists here.....and they've been soundly rebutted.

But you know that claim is retarded. Reality remains fit in place. There is zero evidence of a good of any kind. It’s why nobody in all of human history has been able to present any.

 

[Ganondagan]

By not knowing material evidence is all that actually exists?

Yeah, that's one of the things I have to educate you about.

 

[rahl]

Yeah, that's one of the things I have to educate you about.

Then you’ll need to show us that something outside of materialism exists. Good luck. You will be the first human in all of human history to do so, and will instantly become the most famous human in the entirety of human history.

 

[tosca1]

Hahaha - if the skeptics here know how to prove us wrong, and if they can...................don't you think they won't be gungho mouthy with their explanations?


But all they can do is sound like a broken record!

 

[Logician Man]

But all they can do is sound like a broken record!

Whether you are right or wrong about your 'personal' beliefs, doesn't the above bolded also apply to your posts and your "ministry" here at DP, Tosca?

 

[Gordy327]

Have a nice day, David.

Now There's a surrender if I ever saw one

 

[rahl]

Hahaha - if the skeptics here know how to prove us wrong, and if they can...................don't you think they won't be gungho mouthy with their explanations?

Uh, we don’t have to prove you wrong. You are making the positive claim that a god exists. You bear the sole burden of proof. And no human in all of human history has been able to provide any evidence a god exists.

But all they can do is sound like a broken record!

Reality doesn’t change, so why would you expect a different response?

 

[tosca1]

Whether you are right or wrong about your 'personal' beliefs, doesn't the above bolded also apply to your posts and your "ministry" here at DP, Tosca?

Yes, it can apply, but with a big difference.
As you say, this is my ministry!
Of course, the Gospel contains the same message. It won't change!
Anyway - what can one do when one deals with folks who say the same thing in the forum?
Of course, my response will address their repetitiveness.......which thus, many times - I have to get on the same boat with them!



At least, give me plus points for my repetitive message having substance.
A lot of them have been backed by reputable source materials, too.


Unlike the ones by the usual suspects here who do sound really like a broken record!
They keep.......... skipping!

They ignore questions and given arguments!
I mean - they go on like as if no arguments/rebuttals were presented..........but keep going on singing, "not true!" "No evidence!" "Myth!"


They can come like a choir, too!




















And yet................. all of them, offer nothing else.

 

[tosca1]

You are making the positive claim that a god exists. You bear the sole burden of proof.

That's not the first time it's been said. This thing about, "positive" bull!
That must have been copy/pasted from an atheist site............................and they think it's a good one.

Unfortunately for them.................




Answer:

That comment is a dead give-away, that the poster doesn't understand what BURDEN OF PROOF is all about, or how it works.






The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shortened from Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat – the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies)
is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position.

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.

This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence."
Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance.
It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yooo-hoooo?


I substantiated my claims with evidence backed by credible factual sources!
I fulfilled my obligation as a claimant!




BUT those who claim that my belief is based on the imaginary and make-believe, have not addressed any of the particular evidence I gave.
They gave no refutation or rebuttals.


Furthermore -
they are not in agreement where science stands on this!
Science is open to the possibility of a GOD-created universe!


Since they're making a counter-claim (an assertion), the burden of proof, now lies on their doorstep to substantiate their claim.

 

[tosca1]

continuation.....





In formal logic and mathematics, the negation of a proposition can be proven using procedures such as modus tollens and reductio ad absurdum.In empirical contexts (such as evaluating the existence or nonexistence of unicorns), inductive reasoning is often used for establishing the plausibility of a claim based on observed evidence. Though inductive reasoning may not provide absolute certainty about negative claims, this is only due to the nature of inductive reasoning; inductive reasoning provides proof from probability rather than certainty. Inductive reasoning also does not provide absolute certainty about positive claims.

In public discourse​

Burden of proof is an important concept in the public arena of ideas.
Once participants in discourse establish common assumptions, the mechanism of burden of proof helps to ensure that all parties contribute productively, using relevant arguments.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is supposed to be a discussion!
Lol - how can we have a discussion if the other party doesn't engage?



To keep regurgitating the stupid mantra of "no evidence!" in the face of evidence given (without even giving any rebuttals for, let alone addressing them)....................

..........................is not only non-productive. It is a moronic response!

 

[tosca1]

Now There's a surrender if I ever saw one

That's called............................. "make-believe."

 

[Gordy327]

That's called............................. "make-believe."

Nope, that's called running away. Make believe is god/s & the supernatural.

 

[tosca1]

Now There's a surrender if I ever saw one

post #6,661


How did bidding someone a nice day, a sign of surrender?

I accept your concession again. Thank you for again admitting you have zero evidence showing a god of any kind exists.

Post #693

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Post in thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Saturday at 6:10 PM

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I accept your concession again. Thank you for again admitting you have zero evidence showing a god of any kind exists.

• rahl

Answer:


See what we're dealing with?


When folks start hallucinating, and getting into their fantasy la-la land.........................you know they're feeling the terrible beating................and they know, they've lost the argument.

 

[Manc Skipper]

post #6,661


How did bidding someone a nice day, a sign of surrender?





Post #693

R

Post in thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Saturday at 6:10 PM

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I accept your concession again. Thank you for again admitting you have zero evidence showing a god of any kind exists.

• rahl

Answer:


See what we're dealing with?


When folks start hallucinating, and getting into their fantasy la-la land.........................you know they're feeling the terrible beating................and they know, they've lost the argument.





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How old are you, seven?

 

[tosca1]

How old are you, seven?

No, I'm not seven.............................but, you seem to THINK like one.

Seven year olds usually can't understand, or connect the underlying meaning behind images, and emojis, and other visuals.
The meaning goes over their heads.

 

[rahl]

That's not the first time it's been said. This thing about, "positive" bull!
That must have been copy/pasted from an atheist site............................and they think it's a good one.

Unfortunately for them.................




Answer:

That comment is a dead give-away, that the poster doesn't understand what BURDEN OF PROOF is all about, or how it works.






The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shortened from Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat – the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies)
is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position.

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.

This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence."
Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance.
It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yooo-hoooo?


I substantiated my claims with evidence backed by credible factual sources!
I fulfilled my obligation as a claimant!




BUT those who claim that my belief is based on the imaginary and make-believe, have not addressed any of the particular evidence I gave.
They gave no refutation or rebuttals.


Furthermore -
they are not in agreement where science stands on this!
Science is open to the possibility of a GOD-created universe!


Since they're making a counter-claim (an assertion), the burden of proof, now lies on their doorstep to substantiate their claim.

When you make the positive claim that something exists, you near the sole burden of proof. When you assert something exists with zero evidence, a refutation of “no it doesn’t” is all that is needed.

Meanwhile, there has never at any time in human history, been evidence of a god or gods existing. It’s why you also, can’t provide any.

 

[rahl]

post #6,661


How did bidding someone a nice day, a sign of surrender?





Post #693

R

Post in thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Saturday at 6:10 PM

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I accept your concession again. Thank you for again admitting you have zero evidence showing a god of any kind exists.

• rahl

Answer:


See what we're dealing with?


When folks start hallucinating, and getting into their fantasy la-la land.........................you know they're feeling the terrible beating................and they know, they've lost the argument.





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Notice how you again are unable to provide any evidence that a god exists? Lol

 

[Logician Man]

Yes, it can apply, but with a big difference.
As you say, this is my ministry!
Of course, the Gospel contains the same message. It won't change!
Anyway - what can one do when one deals with folks who say the same thing in the forum?
Of course, my response will address their repetitiveness.......which thus, many times - I have to get on the same boat with them!



At least, give me plus points for my repetitive message having substance.
A lot of them have been backed by reputable source materials, too.


Unlike the ones by the usual suspects here who do sound really like a broken record!
They keep.......... skipping!

They ignore questions and given arguments!
I mean - they go on like as if no arguments/rebuttals were presented..........but keep going on singing, "not true!" "No evidence!" "Myth!"


They can come like a choir, too!




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And yet................. all of them, offer nothing else.

Thanks for the direct response, tosca. - Sincerely appreciate that. -

Let me ask you this question. If Jesus Christ was a DP member posting in this B@S religious sub-forum, would Jesus condone or condemn your use of emojis which you clearly put forth with the intent of taunting, mocking, and trying to get under the skin of some of your fellow DP co-members?

Do you have any biblical scriptures to present that indicates Jesus Christ ever did such a thing while he was spreading and sharing his "ministry"?

 

[tosca1]

Nope, that's called running away. Make believe is god/s & the supernatural.

Nope. Not running away.
It's just the acknowledgement that it's futile to keep arguing with someone who can't grasp what you're saying.
LOL. How many times do I have to deal with the silly, "no evidence" over and over again..........................if one doesn't want to even address what were given?




Anyway - don't think I haven't noticed how you're trying so hard to distract from answering my questions.
You've skipped them.


Posts #681, 682, and 683.

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Post in thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Saturday at 5:38 AM

@devildavid
@Gordy327

This also applies to all skeptics:



Just saying no there isn't any evidence......yet refusing to address the given basis for the belief...........is.............what shows you're both............... in denial.

Let me expand on that, and do it in the proper thread for it.



From post #114





You need to refute and give your reason - credible reason (not merely opinion) - which is credibly supported by fact.


Are you saying,

there is...

• tosca1

Are you saying,

there is no complexity and order of the cosmos?
there is no complexity and order in Biology?

there is no such thing as a finely tuned universe?

 

[tosca1]

Notice how you again are unable to provide any evidence that a god exists? Lol

Just follow my responses to @Gordy327 .......................since you two respond like two peas in a pod...................like you're clones, or what? Twins?
You don't really have to post directly to me.


I've been arguing with Gordy long before you came on the scene. So - he's got seniority!
No need to respond to you.
After all........though you're making noise, you're not saying anything different!
I'll just lump you both together.


Gotta consider too, Christian apologists here are vastly outnumbered.
The active ones - you can count them in one hand!
And we just lost one lately.
So - more work for us in responding.

Gotta trim, and do away with the redundant!



Gordy's actually talking for you and some other atheists here. Let's make him your official mouthpiece........shall we?

That way - we can save on the band width.....................and that means, more emojis and memes for me!


Trust me.
My response would fit both size.