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ANSWERS TO ATHEIST NONSENSE

I think atheists are wasting their breath trying to disprove the existence of God

This is basically a strawman regarding atheists. I don’t know of a single one “trying to disprove” the existence of God. Rather, the atheist position is that it is up to the “believer” to show evidence for said existence. If that can’t be done (and it certainly hasn’t to this point), then there’s no reason to acknowledge that such an entity exists.
 
I don't care one way or the other - whether earth is old or young.

Making such a statement shows that what you really don’t care about is solid SCIENCE. The age of the Earth and the universe is a starting point and a foundation for basically every science. By refusing to acknowledge that, you are basically throwing science into the trash can.
 
Science, by definition, has nothing to say about the supernatural.
Because anything that happens no matter how bizarre, like the universe expanding faster than the speed of light, is natural.
 
Because anything that happens no matter how bizarre, like the universe expanding faster than the speed of light, is natural.

Show otherwise. You can’t, because you refuse to acknowledge the true definition of “natural”. What is the alternative—that your imaginary entity made this happen?
 
Because anything that happens no matter how bizarre, like the universe expanding faster than the speed of light, is natural.
Not quite right. Science has nothing to say about the supernatural because the purpose of science is to investigate and understand the natural universe. Anything ‘supernatural’, by definition, is not part of that universe.
 
Because anything that happens no matter how bizarre, like the universe expanding faster than the speed of light, is natural.

Scientists: “We’ll keep seeking the answers.”
DrewPaul: “A Creator!”

Who do YOU trust?
 
Not quite right. Science has nothing to say about the supernatural because the purpose of science is to investigate and understand the natural universe. Anything ‘supernatural’, by definition, is not part of that universe.
If they observed something thought to be supernatural...it would now be natural. The supernatural is something that can't happen unless it does happen in which case its natural.

Supernatural
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Cosmic inflation is a supernatural force because its expands a universe faster than the speed of light. It operates outside the laws of physics and time. But its not supernatural because if it happened...its natural.
 
If they observed something thought to be supernatural...it would now be natural. The supernatural is something that can't happen unless it does happen in which case its natural.

Supernatural
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Cosmic inflation is a supernatural force because its expands a universe faster than the speed of light. It operates outside the laws of physics and time. But its not supernatural because if it happened...its natural.
Cosmic inflation is a natural force that us not fully understood
 
If they observed something thought to be supernatural...it would now be natural. The supernatural is something that can't happen unless it does happen in which case its natural.

Supernatural
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Cosmic inflation is a supernatural force because its expands a universe faster than the speed of light. It operates outside the laws of physics and time. But its not supernatural because if it happened...its natural

Is there a point to this gobbledygook?
 
Cosmic inflation is a natural force that us not fully understood
The definition of supernatural is anything beyond our understanding or the laws of physics. Cosmic inflation is a phenomenon that causes the universe to expand faster than the speed of light. By the definition it is supernatural. However if cosmic inflation did occur, they'd simply move the supernatural goal posts once again because if something happens no matter how bizarre its natural. If it turns out our universe was intentionally caused it won't be deemed any more supernatural than the pyramids being intentionally caused to exist.
 
The definition of supernatural is anything beyond our understanding or the laws of physics. Cosmic inflation is a phenomenon that causes the universe to expand faster than the speed of light. By the definition it is supernatural. However if cosmic inflation did occur, they'd simply move the supernatural goal posts once again because if something happens no matter how bizarre its natural. If it turns out our universe was intentionally caused it won't be deemed any more supernatural than the pyramids being intentionally caused to exist.
But we agree cosmic inflation is a theory only
 
The definition of supernatural is anything beyond our understanding or the laws of physics. Cosmic inflation is a phenomenon that causes the universe to expand faster than the speed of light. By the definition it is supernatural. However if cosmic inflation did occur, they'd simply move the supernatural goal posts once again because if something happens no matter how bizarre its natural. If it turns out our universe was intentionally caused it won't be deemed any more supernatural than the pyramids being intentionally caused to exist.

Looks like the only way that you can proceed is to offer a wrong definition of the word “supernatural”. Very dishonest, as usual.
 
But we agree cosmic inflation is a theory only
Indeed one that has come under some withering criticism...


In the years since, more precise data gathered by the Planck satellite and other instruments have made the case only stronger. Yet even now the cosmology community has not taken a cold, honest look at the big bang inflationary theory or paid significant attention to critics who question whether inflation happened. Rather cosmologists appear to accept at face value the proponents' assertion that we must believe the inflationary theory because it offers the only simple explanation of the observed features of the universe. But, as we will explain, the Planck data, added to theoretical problems, have shaken the foundations of this assertion.

I imagine the scientists who have made a reputation based on cosmic inflation will fight hard to salvage it from attacks. If scientists were like Spock they'd just blindly follow the data where it leads without any emotional attachment to any outcome. They're all too human with money, fame, reputation, grants and so forth. The theory was always based on its explanatory power. The fact if true it explained several observations. That's often the hallmark of a good theory. The theory probably won't die anytime soon unless a better explanation comes along.

If it dies it means its back to the drawing board about how the universe came to be in the state its in.
 
Indeed one that has come under some withering criticism...


In the years since, more precise data gathered by the Planck satellite and other instruments have made the case only stronger. Yet even now the cosmology community has not taken a cold, honest look at the big bang inflationary theory or paid significant attention to critics who question whether inflation happened. Rather cosmologists appear to accept at face value the proponents' assertion that we must believe the inflationary theory because it offers the only simple explanation of the observed features of the universe. But, as we will explain, the Planck data, added to theoretical problems, have shaken the foundations of this assertion.

I imagine the scientists who have made a reputation based on cosmic inflation will fight hard to salvage it from attacks. If scientists were like Spock they'd just blindly follow the data where it leads without any emotional attachment to any outcome. They're all too human with money, fame, reputation, grants and so forth. The theory was always based on its explanatory power. The fact if true it explained several observations. That's often the hallmark of a good theory. The theory probably won't die anytime soon unless a better explanation comes along.

If it dies it means its back to the drawing board about how the universe came to be in the state its in.
Then we can dismiss it as evidence of the supernatural
 
Indeed one that has come under some withering criticism...


In the years since, more precise data gathered by the Planck satellite and other instruments have made the case only stronger. Yet even now the cosmology community has not taken a cold, honest look at the big bang inflationary theory or paid significant attention to critics who question whether inflation happened. Rather cosmologists appear to accept at face value the proponents' assertion that we must believe the inflationary theory because it offers the only simple explanation of the observed features of the universe. But, as we will explain, the Planck data, added to theoretical problems, have shaken the foundations of this assertion.

I imagine the scientists who have made a reputation based on cosmic inflation will fight hard to salvage it from attacks. If scientists were like Spock they'd just blindly follow the data where it leads without any emotional attachment to any outcome. They're all too human with money, fame, reputation, grants and so forth. The theory was always based on its explanatory power. The fact if true it explained several observations. That's often the hallmark of a good theory. The theory probably won't die anytime soon unless a better explanation comes along.

If it dies it means its back to the drawing board about how the universe came to be in the state its in.

And all without an imaginary entity (Creator).
 
If they observed something thought to be supernatural...it would now be natural. The supernatural is something that can't happen unless it does happen in which case its natural.
Your definitions are interesting, but that's not how most people view the words. Most people understand that supernatural refers to things like gods, ghosts, souls, demons, miracles, and assorted legendary creatures that have no scientific basis or evidence.

Cosmic inflation is a supernatural force because its expands a universe faster than the speed of light. It operates outside the laws of physics and time. But its not supernatural because if it happened...its natural.
No. Cosmic inflation is not a force at all. It is a theory. Nothing supernatural about it.
 
There is evidence. I've provided it many times. However if you want to click your ruby red heels and repeat there is no evidence over and over have at it.
Bullshit, you have no idea about the origin of the universe, no one does.
 
Your definitions are interesting, but that's not how most people view the words. Most people understand that supernatural refers to things like gods, ghosts, souls, demons, miracles, and assorted legendary creatures that have no scientific basis or evidence.
Here is another way to describe it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...l-laws-occur&usg=AOvVaw3OyffUfg-tMR0P888bNEdG
Do events which do not obey natural laws occur?
Apr 30, 2017 — If by natural law you mean the laws of nature (of science) then there is no conflict, because we derive the laws by observing nature.

Isn't that another way of saying if it happens its natural? (Answer: It is)


Miracle
a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

Has there ever been a proven miracle?

On the 10th May, 1948, Jeanne Fretel arrived at Lourdes in a comatose state as a result of tuberculosis peritonitis. After being given some Eucharist (the disc shaped wafer used in Christian mass), Jeanne woke from her coma and declared herself cured. Her miracle cure was officially recognised in 1950.

The Catholic church doesn't take classifying a miracle lightly. It has to be what one would expect of an alleged miracle. Her recovery wasn't explicable by natural or scientific laws.

Right now the existence of the universe itself is inexplicable. Its thought the laws of nature or physics break down or are no longer applicable at time t-0. By definition its a miraculous event. By definition the theory cosmic inflation, if true, is a supernatural event. But you'll say its not even if it operates outside what some come to think are inviolable laws of all reality such as the speed of light.

I'm guessing you don't believe that either, that the laws of nature are actual laws because it doesn't fit your narrative.

No. Cosmic inflation is not a force at all. It is a theory. Nothing supernatural about it.

Right, because if it happened its natural, even if it exists outside of time-space and can violate the speed of light.

You should try thinking outside the box because what we observe inside the universe, the laws of physics and our understanding of how things work are not what caused the universe to exist. The universe and the laws of nature are not the only thing that ever was, is or ever will be.
 
Bullshit, you have no idea about the origin of the universe, no one does.
So for that reason my opinion is just as likely to be correct as anyone else's since no one 'knows' right?
 
Natural forces.

Mostly well explained already. Though predicting the weather is a good one. Scientists spend billions on that, around the world, but it's too complex to predict more than about a week ahead. Whether it will rain, yes they can probably tell you that. Will the sun be shining? Mmm, 60 to 75%

Frankly we should spend a lot more. It's actually important to people, planning a weekend, but also it's a demonstration of science. And it affects the public perception of climate science.
 
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