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Another traffic stop leading to death, this time in Texas.

RogueWarrior said:
This is the problem right here and also people like you who think this way as well. The police are most emphatically NOT the law. Nor are they judges or juries. They certainly seem to think so maybe because of bad teaching at the academy or bad mentoring at the station.

It does seem to be systemic. I think maybe Judge Dredd is a required nightly show at the academy.
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Now, if you'd only heed your own thinking. They are not judges and juries. Adjudicating a traffic stop at the time of the stop is precisely what some morons pulled over try to do.
 
Moot said:
There's nothing "pretty" about someone dying under suspicious circumstances, nota bene.
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Please don't confuse the death of Sandra Bland with your personal insult to Stonewall. Your insinuating that anybody is deriving some sort of sick pleasure out of her death is what's ugly.
 
Empirica said:
You're too focused on total irrelevance to see the actual problem!

The "smoking" issue was nothing more than a display of authority!

If not smoking, it would've been chewing gum or loud music; get it?!
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Yeah, because when a cop is talking to you, it always makes sense to turn up the jams. :roll:
 
longview said:
University drive from that point heading north gets more into the campus proper,
The University has it's own police dept.
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So he was running out of his jurisdiction? That is not persuasive. If he had been running out of his jurisdiction (I thought he was a state trooper or the Texas equivalent?) I wonder why he didn't simply turn onto the road she had been coming out of?

Just watching the dashcam, if I had been the cop, and had seen what his camera recorded, and wanted to turn around to nail the scofflaw, it would have taken about as long as it took him.

So many coincidences....make it a suspicious event, considering the official story.
 
nota bene said:
As strong as your opinions are, you should do more fact-checking. Multiple articles have discussed the plastic garbage bags and how their use was approved by the state's jail standards agency.
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This one NB. "Multiple articles have discussed..."

With your Latin call sign, I naively thought that you might actually link to, or otherwise refer to, any of those multiple articles. Clearly I was wrong.
 
stonewall50 said:
Wrist cuts?

Facebook comments about PTSD? Depression?

Hm? The trash cans? Well you can buy those in bulk for $10 or so. What do you think a government run agency is going to do? But a $10 office trash can? Or just buy a crap ton of the exact same cans and put them where they needs cans? Especially in a low security drunk tank essentially.
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Nobody else has given a straight answer, so I won't hold my breath thinking one will be forthcoming from yourself: the question I have posed is "when a person has nothing but the clothes on his back (and that is how one is rendered upon admission to the jails I have inhabited), just how much trash is really generated by that person?" RN has suggested that feminine hygiene products could easily justify such a large container, but so far I'm not convinced her argument, if that's what it is, is persuasive at all, as though we must consider that 5 cycles have synchronized in just a matter of days?

Now 5 persons, as that appeared to have bunks for 5 or so. Does the trash generated by 5 prisoners in a county jail really merit a 30 gallon can?

No sir, I'm not holding my breath. :mrgreen:
 
Henry David said:
So he was running out of his jurisdiction? That is not persuasive. If he had been running out of his jurisdiction (I thought he was a state trooper or the Texas equivalent?) I wonder why he didn't simply turn onto the road she had been coming out of?

Just watching the dashcam, if I had been the cop, and had seen what his camera recorded, and wanted to turn around to nail the scofflaw, it would have taken about as long as it took him.

So many coincidences....make it a suspicious event, considering the official story.
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A Texas DPS officer has enforcement authority anywhere in Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Highway_Patrol
 
Henry David said:
Nobody else has given a straight answer, so I won't hold my breath thinking one will be forthcoming from yourself: the question I have posed is "when a person has nothing but the clothes on his back (and that is how one is rendered upon admission to the jails I have inhabited), just how much trash is really generated by that person?" RN has suggested that feminine hygiene products could easily justify such a large container, but so far I'm not convinced her argument, if that's what it is, is persuasive at all, as though we must consider that 5 cycles have synchronized in just a matter of days?

Now 5 persons, as that appeared to have bunks for 5 or so. Does the trash generated by 5 prisoners in a county jail really merit a 30 gallon can?

No sir, I'm not holding my breath. :mrgreen:
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You were also shown that they give them other trash producing items, including food. If every meal comes in a bag with packaging, it is easily justified.
 
Henry David said:
This one NB. "Multiple articles have discussed..."

With your Latin call sign, I naively thought that you might actually link to, or otherwise refer to, any of those multiple articles. Clearly I was wrong.
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I've posted a link to the Texas Tribune statement on this issue twice and have read it elsewhere. I'm not going to go hunting it up again.
 
nota bene said:
I've posted a link to the Texas Tribune statement on this issue twice and have read it elsewhere. I'm not going to go hunting it up again.
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This is why I don't hold my breath....;)
 
stonewall50 said:
Ever heard of cutting? Laceration wounds from that? Indicative of WHAT?

Are you ****ing kidding me? You have absolutely 0 evidence of all of that, the evidence points clearly to one conclusion, and yet you still must propagate a myth. Don't worry. I know that this is all an attempt by the left to spin more anti conservative garbage before election time.

Pathetic.
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Read the damn article that says no signs of murder. In that very same article it says there was cuff bruising to her wrists and great pressure put on her back.
 
Henry David said:
Nobody else has given a straight answer, so I won't hold my breath thinking one will be forthcoming from yourself: the question I have posed is "when a person has nothing but the clothes on his back (and that is how one is rendered upon admission to the jails I have inhabited), just how much trash is really generated by that person?" RN has suggested that feminine hygiene products could easily justify such a large container, but so far I'm not convinced her argument, if that's what it is, is persuasive at all, as though we must consider that 5 cycles have synchronized in just a matter of days?

Now 5 persons, as that appeared to have bunks for 5 or so. Does the trash generated by 5 prisoners in a county jail really merit a 30 gallon can?

No sir, I'm not holding my breath. :mrgreen:
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How about you try THIS:

The people running the jail are lazy and don't want to change out the trash can every day?????? Again: $10 can and dirt cheap trash bags that are easy to purchase in bulk, hold up well, multi purpose, and easy to find.

I'm starting to get a clear picture as to why you don't like law enforcement, but you should grasp that there is FACT and OPINION. You have NO fact to go with that opinion that this is murder. None.

Oh.

Wrist cuts?
The arresting officer isn't a deputy.
No reason for jail personnel to be upset.
Person has history of PTSD and depression.

Nothing indicates murder.
 
RogueWarrior said:
Sandy Bland dies in Texas jail

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How many more of these stories is it going to take ffs?

Sandy Bland, 28, pulled over for 'improper signalling' allegedly commits suicide by hanging just hours before her release after spending the weekend in a cell.
She had breakfast at 7 and was dead by 9 AM. Christ the food must have been bad.

She allegedly 'assaulted a public servant' during the traffic stop.

She had just moved back to job at her alma mater in the Houston area. Maybe her new job really sucked too.

Dollar to donuts there won't be any video from inside the jail. Either not installed, not turned on or malfunctioning. Maybe the US government should stop giving new toys like MRAPs to LEO clowns and give the american people an enhanced ability to oversee and supervise their public servants in positions of power especially if they carry a gun.
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Cops don't carry guns in jail.

The arrest didn't lead to her death. She killed herself. People don't kill themselves just for being arested, there's always, *always* a hell of a lot more going wrong in their life.

She was an activist. She killed herself for her cause.

She was a social terrorist.
 
Peter King said:
How do you assault a police officer if this is true:

"After he pulled her out of the car, forced her and tossed her to the ground, knee to the neck, and arrested her," says her friend Malcom Jackson.

How on earth, when you are pulled out of your car (for bleeding failing to indicate, something that should have been a warning or a simple ticket, never an arrest/pulling out of a car or anything like that), are forced to/slammed into the ground, knee to the neck, assaulting a police officer?

Maybe she did hang herself, but I do think that all this arresting for simple traffic rules violations is ridiculous, just give tickets and be done with it.
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The traffic stop can be improper and her death not the arresting officer's fault. Both can be true at the same time. This means proving improper conduct by the cop in no way implicates the hailers in her death.
 
"Another traffic stop leading to death, this time in Texas."

Another person resisting arrest leading to avoidable trouble for the perpetrator, this time in Texas. All she had to do was keep calm, hand over her license and registration, get her ticket and continue on her way.
 
fmw said:
"Another traffic stop leading to death, this time in Texas."

Another person resisting arrest leading to avoidable trouble for the perpetrator, this time in Texas. All she had to do was keep calm, hand over her license and registration, get her ticket and continue on her way.
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Or even, you know...use her turn signal.
 
Jerry said:
Cops don't carry guns in jail.

The arrest didn't lead to her death. She killed herself. People don't kill themselves just for being arested, there's always, *always* a hell of a lot more going wrong in their life.

She was an activist. She killed herself for her cause.

She was a social terrorist.
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Honestly I don't see that. She had PTSD (self claimed) and depressions. Plus wrist cutting. I think that sums it up.
 
Henry David said:
So he was running out of his jurisdiction? That is not persuasive. If he had been running out of his jurisdiction (I thought he was a state trooper or the Texas equivalent?) I wonder why he didn't simply turn onto the road she had been coming out of?

Just watching the dashcam, if I had been the cop, and had seen what his camera recorded, and wanted to turn around to nail the scofflaw, it would have taken about as long as it took him.

So many coincidences....make it a suspicious event, considering the official story.
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He is a State trooper, His jurisdiction covers the entire state, but further north of him the area is already patrolled by the local University Police,
The same ones he called for assistance.
He may or may not have seen her run the stop sign, we do not know, I did not think his turn was in haste, but that is subjective.
 
Moot said:
The DA has already said it will go to a Grand Jury. And with all the evidence coming in showing the police lied, muddied and destroyed evidence and if it doesn't end up going to trial then I'm afraid that blacks will have my total and complete sympathy to rip that county apart if they chose to do so.
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Sandra Bland's death ruled suicide by hanging - CNN.com

Suicide. Like all the rationally minded people already knew.
 
Empirica said:
OMG; you didn't get it! :shock:
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Sure I did. Isn't any traffic stop nothing more than a "display of authority"? I mean, damn! Imagine being forced to use a turn signal or stop at a stop sign. Life is so unfair!
 
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