Proudly Pro Life JP Freem
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shuamort said:Mod Note
Where's the debate? What's being debated here that isn't being debated in the other 9 or so threads you've started?
/Mod Note
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:You responded? I guess I should ask a Question even though I did give reasons for adoption. It's not my fault that no one can dispute those reasons? No one is willing to say kids do not bring joy.Or How Priceless these lives are to my wife and I. OK I posted a sure winner before the debate got started. I guess you would call it a ringer.
liberal1 said:Now that I'm done venting, I'll try to debate. First of all, I'm not pro abortion, it's called pro choice. If some of you more right-winged thinkers can't understand the difference between these two, then there can be no meaningful debate about abortion. Abortion should only be used if something unintended happened and you bacame pregnant, when you didn't want to.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:being pregnant is a choice someone makes when they have sex
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Your response shows me you are Pro Abortion Me Right wing, hardly. I am a Bob Casey Democrat.
"Abortion should only be used if something (Becoming Pregnant is not a something)unintended happened and you bacame pregnant, when you didn't want to" (Definately Pro Abortion Statement being pregnant is a choice someone makes when they have sex)HMMM You believe Abortion should be used as Birth control ?
liberal1 said:Now that I'm done venting, I'll try to debate. First of all, I'm not pro abortion, it's called pro choice. If some of you more right-winged thinkers can't understand the difference between these two, then there can be no meaningful debate about abortion. Abortion should only be used if something unintended happened and you bacame pregnant, when you didn't want to.
FISHX said:If you are pro choice are you then for the fathers choice as well as the mothers ? IE; If the father was prepared to take care of the baby once born and the hospital agreed to deliver early (i know the hospital wouldn,t just hypothetical) by c section to prevemt any unecersary bodily damage yet the mother still wanted to terminate would yuou advocate the choice of the father or are you indeed just pro womans choice?
FISHX said:If you are pro choice are you then for the fathers choice as well as the mothers ? IE; If the father was prepared to take care of the baby once born and the hospital agreed to deliver early (i know the hospital wouldn,t just hypothetical) by c section to prevemt any unecersary bodily damage yet the mother still wanted to terminate would yuou advocate the choice of the father or are you indeed just pro womans choice?
tecoyah said:Dude....you really need to get out more, and maybe actually meet people. You know, talk to them, befriend them, try to understand the differences each and every one of us have.....might even find out that Adults are worthy of the same respect you spread all over your little Honey Lambs.
Likely though....the negativity you project prevents this to an extent, and forces upon you the hermitage of your existance....pity.
CoffeeSaint said:Pardon me for jumping in here, but this scenario requires the removal of the woman's choice, in favor of the man's choice: by mandating that the woman must carry the man's baby to term so that he can raise it, you are forcing the woman to remain pregnant, thus effectively banning abortion. As I am pro-choice, I cannot agree with that. I also see innumerable areas of potential abuse, if men were given the power to command a woman's body for her. Lastly, I'm not sure how a C-section could be seen as preventing bodily damage; it illustrates the point that you are forcing a woman to undergo invooluntary surgery. Isn't that, at least, a violation of one's rights?
Yes, I am pro-choice, which means I support a woman's right to choose; has this been an issue? Are there people who deny that the pro-choice stance does lean heavily toward protecting women, with little attention being paid to men? I don't believe the father's rights override the rights of the mother to control her own body. His offspring is less important in his life, than her body is in her life; that's a biological statement, not a philosophical one. He can survive without his child; she cannot survive without her body, so her rights must come first. I refuse to enslave a woman because a man wants a child.FISHX said:So your not pro choice then only pro womans choice isn,t the termination of the fathers child a violation of his rights?
CoffeeSaint said:Yes, I am pro-choice, which means I support a woman's right to choose; has this been an issue? Are there people who deny that the pro-choice stance does lean heavily toward protecting women, with little attention being paid to men? I don't believe the father's rights override the rights of the mother to control her own body. His offspring is less important in his life, than her body is in her life; that's a biological statement, not a philosophical one. He can survive without his child; she cannot survive without her body, so her rights must come first. I refuse to enslave a woman because a man wants a child.
FISHX said:But what aboutenslaving a man because a woman wants to give birth to a child he doesn,t want ie child support?
Aurora151989 said:ahhh we're getting to the issue now.... If a man doesn't want a child, he can relinquish all parental rights to the mother. therefore he won't have to pay child support because legally, he has no child!
FISHX said:Not in the UK he can,t should he therefore be enslaved for the next 16 years not the 26 week it would take the woman to carry the baby/fetus to viability?
There is a large difference between forcing a man to pay money and forcing a woman to go through pregnancy. The government, in forcing the father to pay child support, does not mandate how he makes the money, nor what he does with his body while he pays the money; it is no more enslavement than are taxes. Forcing a woman to carry a child for someone else turns her into a brood mare, nothing but an animal, with no control over her own life. Shouldn't the father also be able to mandate that she cannot drink, smoke, take drugs? Wouldn't he have to control her diet and exercise, and how much she sleeps, in order to protect the health and well-being of his child? If she is one of those women who have to spend the entire pregnancy in bed, should he be able to force her to do that? Can he keep her in a straitjacket to ensure she doesn't try to abort her own pregnancy?FISHX said:Not in the UK he can,t should he therefore be enslaved for the next 16 years not the 26 week it would take the woman to carry the baby/fetus to viability?
FISHX said:In the uk the woman has to bye law go to the child support agency once the child is born otherwise the child bennifit agency could prosecute her so really where is the choice for the man not to be enslaved?
CoffeeSaint said:There is a large difference between forcing a man to pay money and forcing a woman to go through pregnancy. The government, in forcing the father to pay child support, does not mandate how he makes the money, nor what he does with his body while he pays the money; it is no more enslavement than are taxes. Forcing a woman to carry a child for someone else turns her into a brood mare, nothing but an animal, with no control over her own life. Shouldn't the father also be able to mandate that she cannot drink, smoke, take drugs? Wouldn't he have to control her diet and exercise, and how much she sleeps, in order to protect the health and well-being of his child? If she is one of those women who have to spend the entire pregnancy in bed, should he be able to force her to do that? Can he keep her in a straitjacket to ensure she doesn't try to abort her own pregnancy?
Control over her own body overrides any right the man has to his child.
Aurora151989 said:ahhhh, but there's a loophole there, the woman can return the child support money to the man.
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