Another example of racism?

[radcen]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

 

[Harman]

What kind of sicko wants to look at this stuff?

 

[soot]

12 million + results in about half a second.

If I had to dig any less there would literally have to be someone shoving a monitor in my face screaming "LOOK AT THIS VIDEO!!!"

 

[radcen]

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12 million + results in about half a second.

If I had to dig any less there would literally have to be someone shoving a monitor in my face screaming "LOOK AT THIS VIDEO!!!"

Are these actual videos of the actual shooting, or are they just news stories that relate the incident?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

That's the problem with "White Privilege," we aren't allow to call it racism when it is directed at us.

 

[Summerwind]

That's the problem with "White Privilege," we aren't allow to call it racism when it is directed at us.

Actually I think it's more "respectful" to take down the videos, as opposed to leaving the pics of a dead corpse. So I'd say if any racism was occurring it was that it seems okay for people to gawk at black victims and not white ones. Still white privilege getting the upper hand.

 

[soot]

Are these actual videos of the actual shooting, or are they just news stories that relate the incident?

Of the few I checked a coupe have the video (the original video shot by the news agency, not the murderer's smartphone video), some have still images from the video, some have both, some of them post images of the white victims and the black shooter, some are interviews of friends and loved ones of the victims.

I guess it's sort of a mixed bag.

When I searched the "News" tab on Google (rather than the "Video" tab search I posted above) there was plenty mention of the shooter's video along with stills of him standing there pointing the gun, his Twitter and Facebook messaging, mention of his manifesto (maybe quotes from it, I'm not sure and don't really care to go back and look again), along with numerous sources which provide the news outlet's video, but again, the shooter's full video isn't in evidence.

Several of them, like the following from USA Today, go in to the shooter's racist motivations:

At 11:09 a.m., Flanagan began tweeting about the shootings, using a Twitter handle with his on-air name. Flanagan tweeted that Parker made racist comments and that he'd filed an EEOC complaint. He tweeted that Ward went to human resources about him "after working with me one time!!!"

In his rambling letter to ABC, Flanagan wrote, "Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15. … What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims' initials on them."

Flanagan said "Jehovah" spoke to him, telling him to act. As for the Charleston gunman, Dylann Roof, he said, "You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE … (deleted)!!!"

He quoted the Virginia Tech mass killer, Seung Hui Cho: "That's my boy right there. He got NEARLY double the amount that (Columbine killers) Eric Harris and Dylann Klebold got … just sayin'."

"The church shooting was the tipping point … but my anger has been building steadily. ... I've been a human powder keg for a while … just waiting to go BOOM!!!!"

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Social media took the shooter's video down pretty quickly and it's probably only available on LiveLeak and places like that now (which tend to post more gruesome videos).

I know it was initially available on YouTube and was linked on Twitter and Facebook but that didn't last too long.

I think scrubbing the shooter's video from more "reputable" sources is more a move to show respect for the victims and their families than it is a function of any kind of racism.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Actually I think it's more "respectful" to take down the videos, as opposed to leaving the pics of a dead corpse. So I'd say if any racism was occurring it was that it seems okay for people to gawk at black victims and not white ones. Still white privilege getting the upper hand.

I agree with taking down the videos, there isn't any need for them. But I would wager that they aren't up because no one is going to be able to rally a large group of white people to a #Whitelivesmatter cause.

 

[fmw]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

Perhaps because the journalists were good and productive citizens who were murdered for no reason while Brown was a punk criminal who was killed while attacking a police officer?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

Did the shooter declare that he was targeting the victims because they were white? No. In contrast, the shooter at that church in SC who targeted the victims because they were black.

In other words, stop buying into the faux victimhood of the right wing who want to pretend that they're somehow victims of society-wide racism, as if what affects them is even a fraction of the real victimhood that blacks have experienced for centuries in America.

 

[Lutherf]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

Because there isn't a race hustling industry promoting the "victimization" of white people.

 

[Gardener]

Did the shooter declare that he was targeting the victims because they were white? No. In contrast, the shooter at that church in SC who targeted the victims because they were black.

In other words, stop buying into the faux victimhood of the right wing who want to pretend that they're somehow victims of society-wide racism, as if what affects them is even a fraction of the real victimhood that blacks have experienced for centuries in America.

Has anybody actually defended the church shooter? If they did, their actions would be similar to yours.

This notion that all deaths of blacks at the hands of whites is an expression of racism while none of the deaths of whites at the hands of blacks are racism is part of he problem instead of part of the solution.

Your double standards are glaring, and unintelligent. Of COURSE the church shooting was racist. When you belittle the situation when the perp is black and the victims white, all you show is that you only care about race and NOT racism.

 

[OrphanSlug]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

Tough call, unsure about the racism part.

I would agree that the videos and pictures available for the Michael Brown lying dead and the Eric Garner being chocked are easy to locate, we might be talking about false comparisons. The reason I say that is the video (and I've seen it) of the shootings of Alison Parker and Adam Ward was quick and violent. What we do not have is a video readily available of the Michael Brown shooting and I do not seem to be able to locate much video of the Parker / Ward conclusion. I.e. police investigation of the scene, which is what you are talking about in the Michael Brown case. Also, how those crowds converged all these incidents is not the same. The videos you are talking about of Brown and Garner have some help from public shot video, the Parker / Ward shooting that shows much was made by the shooter himself (Bryce Williams.)

I think that we have too many moving parts to outright call racism on the level and availability of video for all these cases.

 

[MickeyW]

That's the problem with "White Privilege," we aren't allow to call it racism when it is directed at us.

Excusing Hate Because of Color

Let's be clear: The chilling, fatal shootings of WDBJ-TV reporter Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward live on the air by former colleague Vester Lee Flanagan II are not a part of the national conversation finally happening about race, racism and black lives mattering as much as white lives.
Yes, that's what I said.

Flanagan attempted to make it so with a so-called manifesto he sent to the ABC television network, a suicide letter that was as disturbing as it was long, a letter in which he blames his rage on being abused and being a victim of racism:
» Excusing Hate Because of Color » Fresh Ink -- GOPUSA

 

[Summerwind]

I agree with taking down the videos, there isn't any need for them. But I would wager that they aren't up because no one is going to be able to rally a large group of white people to a #Whitelivesmatter cause.

Well you're in a constant state of claiming victimhood, so I'm not surprised you and yours are whining again and trying to twist this into something bad for the privileged.

 

[faithful_servant]

Actually I think it's more "respectful" to take down the videos, as opposed to leaving the pics of a dead corpse. So I'd say if any racism was occurring it was that it seems okay for people to gawk at black victims and not white ones. Still white privilege getting the upper hand.

wow... that was the single worst spin job I've seen here...

 

[radcen]

Of the few I checked a coupe have the video (the original video shot by the news agency, not the murderer's smartphone video), some have still images from the video, some have both, some of them post images of the white victims and the black shooter, some are interviews of friends and loved ones of the victims.

I guess it's sort of a mixed bag.

When I searched the "News" tab on Google (rather than the "Video" tab search I posted above) there was plenty mention of the shooter's video along with stills of him standing there pointing the gun, his Twitter and Facebook messaging, mention of his manifesto (maybe quotes from it, I'm not sure and don't really care to go back and look again), along with numerous sources which provide the news outlet's video, but again, the shooter's full video isn't in evidence.

Several of them, like the following from USA Today, go in to the shooter's racist motivations:

Clicky

Social media took the shooter's video down pretty quickly and it's probably only available on LiveLeak and places like that now (which tend to post more gruesome videos).

I know it was initially available on YouTube and was linked on Twitter and Facebook but that didn't last too long.

I think scrubbing the shooter's video from more "reputable" sources is more a move to show respect for the victims and their families than it is a function of any kind of racism.

Good post. Thank you.

Tough call, unsure about the racism part.

I would agree that the videos and pictures available for the Michael Brown lying dead and the Eric Garner being chocked are easy to locate, we might be talking about false comparisons. The reason I say that is the video (and I've seen it) of the shootings of Alison Parker and Adam Ward was quick and violent. What we do not have is a video readily available of the Michael Brown shooting and I do not seem to be able to locate much video of the Parker / Ward conclusion. I.e. police investigation of the scene, which is what you are talking about in the Michael Brown case. Also, how those crowds converged all these incidents is not the same. The videos you are talking about of Brown and Garner have some help from public shot video, the Parker / Ward shooting that shows much was made by the shooter himself (Bryce Williams.)

I think that we have too many moving parts to outright call racism on the level and availability of video for all these cases.

I just thought of this, and am only throwing it out there for consideration.

In the Virginia shooting, the victims weren't doing anything wrong, and no police were involved.

In the Brown and Garner cases, the victims were doing something wrong (degree varies), AND it could be argued that the police were doing something wrong as well. So, *maybe* it has to do more with keeping people accountable than reasons based on race.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Well you're in a constant state of claiming victimhood, so I'm not surprised you and yours are whining again and trying to twist this into something bad for the privileged.

Quite a broad brush to be stroking with.

Racism isn't a one way street.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I just thought of this, and am only throwing it out there for consideration.

In the Virginia shooting, the victims weren't doing anything wrong, and no police were involved.

In the Brown and Garner cases, the victims were doing something wrong (degree varies), AND it could be argued that the police were doing something wrong as well. So, *maybe* it has to do more with keeping people accountable than reasons based on race.

I would agree, we cannot rule this out.

Along those lines, the police were involved in both of Brown and Garner cases adding to the likelihood that someone would be watching with a cell phone. If Williams was not so interested in himself recording killing Parker and Ward, we would have even less to look at as police were not involved there.

 

[soot]

Did the shooter declare that he was targeting the victims because they were white?

Seems to be so:

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting."

“As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!

After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in Suicide Note - ABC News

Those quotes come from what's being called Vester Flanagan's "manifesto" which he allegedly faxed to ABC News the morning of the shooting.

If a black man claims that a white hate crime is what "put him over the top", he runs out and buys a gun as a result, and a couple weeks later kills a couple of innocent, completely unrelated white people and sees that as somehow being associated with a race war...

Yeah, I'd say that you have to be an idiot to not see that he killed those people, at least in part, because they were white.

Now, as with Dylan Roof, I think there was also an awful lot of crazy mixed in with those motives, but for sure racism was among his motivations.

 

[tres borrachos]

A Facebook friend of mine posted and asked the following question (paraphrased): Why is it that the videos of the victims in the Virginia cameraman & reporter are virtually non-existent, and get pulled down from most popular sources almost as fast as they're posted, while videos of Michael Brown lying dead and Eric Garner being choked are more widely available?

Another example of racism? Seems like a fair question.

I'm sure one can find videos of the Virginia shootings, but from what I understand you have to dig deep(er) as they are not as easily accessible.

Racism? No. Sensationalism, yes. You can see plenty of pictures of dead white people in the internet. You can see autopsy photos if you're so inclined (and so sick).

I saw pics of that shooting all over the internet. Terrible.