Another Eco-Fiasco - A wind farm company admitted killing 150 eagles in the US

[Buzz]

Sorry Buzz, but material science is not quite there yet.
They shut the wind farm down because it was not profitable to keep it going without incentives.

That is not what the article says. And if you insist it does then you are just lying again.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Yup, asshole, greedy company tried to cut corners. This is nothing to do with wind farms, but assholes not following rules. There are ways to prevent bird deaths

The oil industry has wiped out entire species and will continue to do so.

Of course, here come all the republicans troll losers attacking green energy because they are deplorables and so predictable

 

[Lord of Planar]

Oldest commercial wind farm in Canada headed for scrapyard after 23 years

It cannot compete in an open market without incentives!

Yep. How vcan it actually be cheaper than out vurrent methods if it isn't economically viable for them without government assistance?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Damn, long... did you even read all that article?? The quotes you provided were not about the maintenance of the wind farm. They were about replacing the wind farm. And the article states that it was being decommissioned because of safety issues and lack of new parts. It said nothing about the farm not being profitable due to maintenance costs. And this farm is the oldest in ALL of Canada.

Sorry, long... this doesn't back up your assertion that all wind energy isn't profitable without continuing subsidies due to maintenance costs.

Looks to me like another instance of you making stuff up again.

Those are just excuses. You can bet that more modern replacement parts could be found, is needed nothing more than an adapter or mounting change. As for the safety.... People have been climbing towers like that for decades.

F'n ******s...

 

[Lord of Planar]

That is not what the article says. And if you insist it does then you are just lying again.

It effectively does. It says (I'm paraphrasing) they are waiting to see if the government will help finance their costs, that it isn't profitable without government help.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The quote:

“TransAlta is very interested in repowering this site. Unfortunately, right now, it’s not economically feasible,” Wayne Oliver, operations supervisor for TransAlta’s wind operations in Pincher Creek and Fort Macleod, said in an interview.​

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“We’re anxiously waiting to see what incentives might come from our new government. . . . Alberta is an open market and the wholesale price when it’s windy is quite low, so there’s just not the return on investment in today’s situation. So, if there is an incentive, we’d jump all over that.”​

 

[JBG]

Yup, asshole, greedy company tried to cut corners. This is nothing to do with wind farms, but assholes not following rules. There are ways to prevent bird deaths

The oil industry has wiped out entire species and will continue to do so.

Of course, here come all the republicans troll losers attacking green energy because they are deplorables and so predictable

Can you say or spell Solyndra?

 

[longview]

Can you say or spell Solyndra?

Solyndra had a good idea, but got caught up in market conditions, (and they made poor money decisions with the easy government money).
The idea was a new type of solar panel that could be made almost completely automated,
and would collect energy over a wide range of incident angles.
The problem was that they took this good idea, and boat loads of Government money,
and built a plant in one of the most expensive places in the country.
I think I read, that the expected price of their panels was going to be ~$4 a watt,
but the price for panels dropped, to about $1 a watt, meaning that their economically viability target
was no longer possible.
Perhaps a better decision, would have been to work out a deal with a rust belt state for an existing building, with minimal overhead.
I cannot say that this would have made a difference, but it would have helped.

 

[JBG]

Solyndra had a good idea, but got caught up in market conditions, (and they made poor money decisions with the easy government money).
The idea was a new type of solar panel that could be made almost completely automated,
and would collect energy over a wide range of incident angles.
The problem was that they took this good idea, and boat loads of Government money,
and built a plant in one of the most expensive places in the country.
I think I read, that the expected price of their panels was going to be ~$4 a watt,
but the price for panels dropped, to about $1 a watt, meaning that their economically viability target
was no longer possible.
Perhaps a better decision, would have been to work out a deal with a rust belt state for an existing building, with minimal overhead.
I cannot say that this would have made a difference, but it would have helped.

Thus it goes with government-subsidized projects that don't have to test the market; until they do.

 

[Buzz]

Those are just excuses. You can bet that more modern replacement parts could be found, is needed nothing more than an adapter or mounting change.

Do you really think that custom building adaptor plates and bolting or welding them onto the top of 57 towers is going to be cheap? And then the towers are only 80 feet tall. They don't make industrial wind generators with blades that short anymore. The only generators that would fit on towers that short are small ones that put out only about 25KW. So... retrofitting 57 towers with mounts for new generators would cost several million dollars and wouldn't even provide 1.5 MW of power. It would be far cheaper and provide more power to take them all down and put up one new one.

As for the safety.... People have been climbing towers like that for decades.

F'n ******s...

Except that they don't climb towers like that when they are covered in snow or ice or when the wind is blowing hard. Have you ever seen what ice falling from a tower can do to things below? I have and it is pretty scary.

 

[Buzz]

It effectively does. It says (I'm paraphrasing) they are waiting to see if the government will help finance their costs, that it isn't profitable without government help.

They were talking about replacing the wind farm. Why do you lie?

The quote:

“TransAlta is very interested in repowering this site. Unfortunately, right now, it’s not economically feasible,” Wayne Oliver, operations supervisor for TransAlta’s wind operations in Pincher Creek and Fort Macleod, said in an interview.​

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“We’re anxiously waiting to see what incentives might come from our new government. . . . Alberta is an open market and the wholesale price when it’s windy is quite low, so there’s just not the return on investment in today’s situation. So, if there is an incentive, we’d jump all over that.”​

And here are the quotes you ignored:

The oldest commercial wind power facility in Canada has been shut down and faces demolition after 23 years of transforming brisk southern Alberta breezes into electricity — and its owner says building a replacement depends on the next moves of the provincial NDP government.

What the investors need to see is more certainty in the market,” he said, adding that it “just makes sense” that a wind farm such as Cowley Ridge that is already connected to the grid and has a proven wind resource is rebuilt to continue to provide renewable energy.

 

[Steve Case]

Another problem with so-called 'green energy', A wind farm company admitted killing 150 eagles in the US and was fined $8 million. Almost all died from being hit by the blades. Add to this the article, The Lithium Gold Rush: Inside the Race to Power Electric Vehicles in the far from "denier" New York Times (link), which points out that there is much environmental damage from manufacturing electirc automobiles.and similar threads discuss the dirty little secrets about "clean" energy. At best, "clean" energy makes us feel like we're "doing something."

Solar and wind power have been trumpeted as a cure-all for the environment. After all they emit no CO2, the bogeyman for "global warming" or "climate change." Even better yet, they require subsidies and subsidies that expand the role of government. Above all, they feel good. A National Review article, A Clean Energy’s Dirty Little Secret, reviews disposal problems with regard to 25 year old panels, their useful life. Before people get on their high horse and point out that National Review is a conservative publication, can someone point to factual errors in the story. The article points out that "(f)ederal and state governments have been slow to enact disposal and recycling policies, undoubtedly fearful of raising any red flags about the environmental threat posed by a purported climate-change panacea." Like used computers and televisions "(s)olar panels are considered a form of toxic, hazardous electronic or “e-waste....”

Other articles have explored wind power's highly blemished environmental record. In an article entitled Wind Forum Explores Concerns. It seems many Vermonters have had not only their scenery, but right to live in reasonable quiet, utterly wrecked. A neighbor of one such project, quoted in the article stated:

Many people feel the need to "do something" and "start somewhere." They are very impressed with pronouncements from big, glitzy forums such as those held in Paris where the Climate Accords were "negotiated" and announced. There was to be sure lots of top officials and entertainment such as Elton John. But when the shouting is done, has anything been accomplished, other than to obtain more taxpayer money and move around the environmental problems? Another article on this subject, The Not-So-Green Mountains, written by Steve E. Wright, an aquatic biologist and a former commissioner of the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. It seems that the incentives for "green" power have trumped not only common sense, but other environmental values. This fanaticism about an unproven problem, anthropogenic global warming ("AGW") is cause an awful lot of damage.

I read that article shortly after driving to southern Vermont through the previously beautiful Berkshires of Massachusetts. There, wind turbines sullied the ridgeline. Similarly when my wife and I took a hike through a wild part of the Adirondacks, Whetstone Gulf State Park, about 100 yards from the hiking trail, just outside the park boundaries, were similar turbines. Wind power needs massive subsidies to be viable, and causes environmental damage of its own. Isn't it time to stop this madness?

At best we're trading one doubtful environmental issue, climate change, for another definite one, killing of wildlife. This is bad news that the environmental movement is desperate to de-emphasize.

 

[Deuce]

How many times do we need to point out that coal is the most destructive energy source in the history of mankind?

Right wingers need to stop with these crocodile tears. They don't give two shits about birds.

 

[PoS]

How many times do we need to point out that coal is the most destructive energy source in the history of mankind?

Since this thread isnt about coal, then youre just deflecting in defense of these eagles being killed by windfarms. You hate birds, we get it.

Right Left wingers need to stop with these crocodile tears. They don't give two shits about birds. the environment.

FIFY.