Another abortion poll, more options

[Luce]

No, I'm going to call bullshit on that one. I'm a bit hazy on this, but my own kid was not where he was supposed to be when we learned my wife was pregnant. I believe he also was in the fallopian tube, but the Dr. got him back where he was supposed to be.

This is raw bullshit.

 

[Spunkylama]

@Ren
An ectopic pregnancy cannot move or be moved to the uterus, so it always requires treatment. There are two methods used to treat an ectopic pregnancy: 1) medication and 2) surgery. Several weeks of follow-up are required with each treatment. What medication is used to treat ectopic pregnancy?

Ectopic Pregnancy | ACOG​

 

[Spunkylama]

This is raw bullshit.

Sad he would use his own "wife" to lie.

 

[Felis Leo]

Please provide more detail on your answer in comments.

By "extreme cases" I mean rape, incest, danger to mother, etc. You can pick this option if any apply, even if you don't agree with all of them. Feel free to specify which in comments.

For time cutoffs, please specify in comments a range of what you think would be acceptable to you.

{EDIT} I'm asking for your personal opinion on what the law should be, not what you think the Constitution or any other law requires, or what would be politically possible.

I believe that abortion should be allowed for any reason whatsoever up until point of viability. After that only in "extreme cases", such as if it is found that the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother or if it is found that the child would be born with no quality of life due to some medical condition that is discovered later in the pregnancy.

 

[Ren]

This is raw bullshit.

Easy, friend. Like I said, I'm a bit hazy on this. I'll get the actual details and get back with ya.

 

[Ren]

Sad he would use his own "wife" to lie.

there's no lie here. He was not where he was supposed to be and the Dr. got him back where he was supposed to be. That much I do remember. Like I said, I will get the details.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I vote likewise. Beyond 20 weeks a compelling reason should exist.

Baby has a discernible heartbeat at 5-6 weeks.

Fetal Heartbeat Monitoring: Comprehensive Guide For Moms

Excited about your baby’s first flutter? Discover safe, simple ways to monitor your fetal heartbeat and understand its normal changes for confidence.

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[Integrityrespec]

why 12 weeks? Why is that the magical number when you get to control a womans body?

Why at any time can a person choose to end the life of a human being alive in the womb?

 

[roguenuke]

Baby has a discernible heartbeat at 5-6 weeks.

Fetal Heartbeat Monitoring: Comprehensive Guide For Moms

Excited about your baby’s first flutter? Discover safe, simple ways to monitor your fetal heartbeat and understand its normal changes for confidence.

www.momjunction.com

No, it has an electrical pulse that can be detected at that point.

 

[Noodlegawd]

47 voters so far, of whom ~87% think abortion should be legal and available up to a certain cutoff time or available until birth.

That's correct, but it's also correct that about 75% think that elective abortion should at least be restricted in time. After the votes stop coming in, I'll go through the responses and summarize the comments about where people are on that. At a glance, they seem to range from "first trimester okay" to up to six weeks before birth. Maybe I'll do a follow up poll to pinpoint it better.

Does DP reflect the thinking of the American population?

I would say that DP is more pro-choice than the general public. If you look at the other poll here that asked whether abortion should legal in "all or most cases", 82% said yes, whereas similar national polls had similar questions have it closer to 60%.

About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

A majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

www.pewresearch.org

My main reason for posting this poll was to drill down further into "all" vs. "most." It seems like there are a lot more "mosts" than there are "alls."

 

[Noodlegawd]

Baby has a discernible heartbeat at 5-6 weeks.

Fetal Heartbeat Monitoring: Comprehensive Guide For Moms

Excited about your baby’s first flutter? Discover safe, simple ways to monitor your fetal heartbeat and understand its normal changes for confidence.

www.momjunction.com

What's the relevance of a heartbeat to this issue?

 

[roguenuke]

That's correct, but it's also correct that about 75% think that elective abortion should at least be restricted in time. After the votes stop coming in, I'll go through the responses and summarize the comments about where people are on that. At a glance, they seem to range from "first trimester okay" to up to six weeks before birth. Maybe I'll do a follow up poll to pinpoint it better.



I would say that DP is more pro-choice than the general public. If you look at the other poll here that asked whether abortion should legal in "all or most cases", 82% said yes, whereas similar national polls had similar questions have it closer to 60%.

About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

A majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

www.pewresearch.org

My main reason for posting this poll was to drill down further into "all" vs. "most." It seems like there are a lot more "mosts" than there are "alls."

Not to nitpick, but perhaps look again for your ending point, since I said quite clearly up to the point of labor.

 

[Luce]

there's no lie here. He was not where he was supposed to be and the Dr. got him back where he was supposed to be. That much I do remember. Like I said, I will get the details.

So your doctor is Jesus Christ?

 

[gbg3]

This piece from today is quite interesting and pertinent to this thread poll!

MSN

 

[Noodlegawd]

I believe that abortion should be allowed for any reason whatsoever up until point of viability. After that only in "extreme cases", such as if it is found that the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother or if it is found that the child would be born with no quality of life due to some medical condition that is discovered later in the pregnancy.

I don't disagree with this position, but I have to say I've never quite understood the relevance of viability per se, unless it's just a proxy for other factors.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Not to nitpick, but perhaps look again for your ending point, since I said quite clearly up to the point of labor.

I wasn't talking about your comment in particular. As I said, that range was based on my impression at a glance. I'll do a more thorough review when the thread slows down.

 

[Ren]

So your doctor is Jesus Christ?

He may be, dude. lol

Just keep your pants on, I'll get the details.

 

[Lycanthrope]

That's correct, but it's also correct that about 75% think that elective abortion should at least be restricted in time. After the votes stop coming in, I'll go through the responses and summarize the comments about where people are on that. At a glance, they seem to range from "first trimester okay" to up to six weeks before birth. Maybe I'll do a follow up poll to pinpoint it better.



I would say that DP is more pro-choice than the general public. If you look at the other poll here that asked whether abortion should legal in "all or most cases", 82% said yes, whereas similar national polls had similar questions have it closer to 60%.

About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

A majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

www.pewresearch.org

My main reason for posting this poll was to drill down further into "all" vs. "most." It seems like there are a lot more "mosts" than there are "alls."

And in general that's where I fall - most.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Baby has a discernible heartbeat at 5-6 weeks.

Fetal Heartbeat Monitoring: Comprehensive Guide For Moms

Excited about your baby’s first flutter? Discover safe, simple ways to monitor your fetal heartbeat and understand its normal changes for confidence.

www.momjunction.com

My personal opinion? I don't care. At what age can it survive outside the womb without medical/scientific intervention? That's around 23 weeks.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Never. None of this in-between bullshit. Either a life is a life or it isn't.

You must be rabidly anti-capital punishment.

 

[Ren]

You must be rabidly anti-capital punishment.

I'm not surprised you'd think that.

Actually, I'm all for wrongdoers being punished for their crimes.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I'm not surprised you'd think that.

Actually, I'm all for wrongdoers being punished for their crimes.

You support the State executing people? I thought you said the following:

Never. None of this in-between bullshit. Either a life is a life or it isn't.

 

[Ren]

You support the State executing people? I thought you said the following:

I did say that.

What I didn't say is that a life is a life even for convicted felons therefore they must all not only live, but actually be unleashed on the public. You know, like how the democrats want.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I did say that.

What I didn't say is that a life is a life even for convicted felons therefore they must all not only live, but actually be unleashed on the public. You know, like how the democrats want.

Ah - so you are consistent, and while you support life sentences for convicted felons you are as adamantly opposed to capital punishment as you are abortion.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Ren]

Ah - so you are consistent, and while you support life sentences for convicted felons you are as adamantly opposed to capital punishment as you are abortion.

Thank you for clarifying.

Oh, no. Death sentences for convicted murderers, all the way. I'm down for it.

Any other questions?