Anonymous

[Mr. Zero]

I have created a new group on Debate Politics and was wondering if any of you would like to check it out and see if you might want to join. The group is entirely based off of the original ANON's, the group created over three hundred years ago by a group of people who call Guido "Guy" Fawkes as a mentor and a great leader. Guido was an Italian immigrant to the UK and moved there in search of a better life, most of you who know him would be saying "well no that's wrong because he was a Spanish soldier, and he fought for the rights of the low countries and Catholics in the sixteen hundreds." yes, that is true, but Guido was Italian and had been searching all over Europe for a country too settle in that wasn't completely nuts. He basically became a freedom fighter for many different countries, but people remember him mostly for the failed gunpowder plot of the mid sixteen hundreds, you see, Guido had immigrated to the UK for a better life, but he came to realize that the UK government of this time in the sixteen hundreds was the worst of all the countries he'd been too so far. So he organized the gunpowder plot to kill the radical, fascist, and totalitarian governments of the UK. He was captured and executed for treason for the actions he took. Two hundred years later his small group that attempted to over throw the UK had grown into a very large one that was known from then on as Anonymous, and Anonymous stands for freedom for all, equality for all, and peace among all nations. Today there are more than six million Anonymous followers in the world, and now I have come too Debate Politics in search of new members for our cause. I hope you also realize that this group on Debate Politics has nothing to do with the hacktivist's of the modern day Anon-op's, but the original group started by Guido Fawkes himself. I hope that you can join the group and help the Anonymous cause, but there will be fun activity's and not just politics when you join Anonymous, we will have meetings and discussions in the forums, in this forum about what we can do to make this group fun and very active on Debate Politics as well.

Thank you,
Mr. Zero, Anonymous . President and founder.

 

[X Factor]

No thanks. I'm anti terrorism.

 

[Deuce]

It's the internet. You're already anonymous.

 

[Mr. Zero]

Its not terrorism when your government is as totalitarian as the UK's in that era, its a revolution, a way to start anew, and let me remind you that Guido peacefully protested before acting in the manner he did, only because the government had murdered his family, that's terrorism my friend. Next time make sure you have your facts straight before commenting.

 

[Voxx]

You don't have a clue what 'anonymous' was originally about. The name has been hi-jacked by rebbitors pushing a political agenda. Anonymous didn't have a political agenda. Anonymous didn't have an identity. That was the point.

 

[yo1]

Its not terrorism when your government is as totalitarian as the UK's in that era, its a revolution, a way to start anew, and let me remind you that Guido peacefully protested before acting in the manner he did, only because the government had murdered his family, that's terrorism my friend. Next time make sure you have your facts straight before commenting.

not to piss off anonymous, but were there a lot of healthy functioning democracies in that time?

surely the brits were on their way to one with the invention of a two house parliament with less powers for the king.

the catholic church had the pope, but that doesnt sound much like a democracy.

guy fawkes is a controversial historical figure. some love and some hate...but you are rather white washing history to act like he is in no way associated with terrorism.

im not white washing the brits either, but you make a guy who planned to bomb a nations house of government sound like a hippie. he didnt exactly take a vote on this before he acted, did he?

Guy fawkes sounds like prototype IRA in a time when the brits had more than earned a bomb, They did oppress catholics explicitly and brutally (not covertly with propaganda and unremarked illegality) and it was an attack centred at government, but he isnt exactly a dove of peace, is he.

 

[Henrin]

Does it actually matter if he was a terrorist? I'm trying to determine the relevance of that bit of information against what he was fighting against. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I would gladly become a terrorist to fight against a totalitarian government.

*Shows up on the FBI watch list*

 

[captainawesome]

Anonymity is the scourge of rational community.

 

[Mr. Zero]

Just like all great leaders, there are mistakes that they make, now I am not comparing Guy to God or him to Ronald Reagan. But your right, he made a mistake, but the new organization had two hundred years to think over what he did, and to form their own way of doing things so they don't make the same mistake twice, now, I am not sure why I am so reluctant to state that this was an act of terror, partially because I believe it was revolutionary, that he attempted this because he saw the evil in the members of the parliament. And your not going to piss off anyone, if anyone has a problem with what you say, and can't just simply debate it here, they have problems, because you have a right to voice your opinion.

 

[Rainman05]

Just like all great leaders, there are mistakes that they make, now I am not comparing Guy to God or him to Ronald Reagan. But your right, he made a mistake, but the new organization had two hundred years to think over what he did, and to form their own way of doing things so they don't make the same mistake twice, now, I am not sure why I am so reluctant to state that this was an act of terror, partially because I believe it was revolutionary, that he attempted this because he saw the evil in the members of the parliament. And your not going to piss off anyone, if anyone has a problem with what you say, and can't just simply debate it here, they have problems, because you have a right to voice your opinion.

Tell me.

When was the last time you made an internet group and changed anything?

Here's how you get the govt to hear you. Go outside and protest. Make that your fulltime job. I mean it. Go out every day with a panel and demand a chance on an issue. don't be generalist, be specific. - I demand cuts to this govt program. Name the govt program ofc.
-I demand lower taxes on <whatever>


Do that for a long time. I mean it. You will gather attention and the support of other people and you will make a difference. Making an internet group on a website dedicated to political discussions will change nothing.

 

[Mr. Zero]

That's funny... Because last time I checked the members of Anonymous, and the supporters of our cause raised by 79% a year after the website was first created, therefore leading to more protests and a larger amount of effectiveness. That was in 2003, and before the website, there were 450,000 estimated followers. Our total now reaches over 6,500,000 followers, think about it.

 

[Rainman05]

That's funny... Because last time I checked the members of Anonymous, and the supporters of our cause raised by 79% a year after the website was first created, therefore leading to more protests and a larger amount of effectiveness. That was in 2003, and before the website, there were 450,000 estimated followers. Our total now reaches over 6,500,000 followers, think about it.

your total numbers? wow...

ok kid, time to go to bed and wake up.

 

[Henrin]

Tell me.

When was the last time you made an internet group and changed anything?

Here's how you get the govt to hear you. Go outside and protest. Make that your fulltime job. I mean it. Go out every day with a panel and demand a chance on an issue. don't be generalist, be specific. - I demand cuts to this govt program. Name the govt program ofc.
-I demand lower taxes on <whatever>


Do that for a long time. I mean it. You will gather attention and the support of other people and you will make a difference. Making an internet group on a website dedicated to political discussions will change nothing.

This post of yours assumes so much. Do you have any idea what actually makes government act? It is not protests, it is not a general dislike of their policies, it is not a desire of the people at all. Nothing you describe matters.

 

[X Factor]

Its not terrorism when your government is as totalitarian as the UK's in that era, its a revolution, a way to start anew, and let me remind you that Guido peacefully protested before acting in the manner he did, only because the government had murdered his family, that's terrorism my friend. Next time make sure you have your facts straight before commenting.

People always think their brand of terrorism is justified. I really dislike hackers too.

 

[Rainman05]

This post of yours assumes so much. Do you have any idea what actually makes government act? It is not protests, it is not a general dislike of their policies, it is not a desire of the people at all. Nothing you describe matters.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forget, we live under a communist dictatorship. You don't matter... so why bother.

If you want to make a difference, go protest. Day in and day out. Don't go once, stay for 2h, get bored, go home. Go day after day. Sooner or later, you will get support from people if you are a sensible bloke who knows how to address the issue. if you are a screaming baboon, ofc, you will be treated like it.

 

[Henrin]

People always think their brand of terrorism is justified. I really dislike hackers too.

As they say, you never ask for approval by your enemy nor do you ask them if your cause is just. You simply think it is and that is all that matters.

 

[Henrin]

Oh, I'm sorry. I forget, we live under a communist dictatorship. You don't matter... so why bother.

If you want to make a difference, go protest. Day in and day out. Don't go once, stay for 2h, get bored, go home. Go day after day. Sooner or later, you will get support from people if you are a sensible bloke who knows how to address the issue. if you are a screaming baboon, ofc, you will be treated like it.

So you really have no idea what is going on then. Hint: It's about them, not you.

 

[X Factor]

As they say, you never ask for approval by your enemy nor do you ask them if your cause is just. You simply think it is and that is all that matters.

The Boston bombers, I'm sure, thought their cause was just.

 

[Rainman05]

So you really have no idea what is going on then. Hint: It's about them, not you.

Ok. Ofc you are right. The people in power are extraordinary human beings with well developed mental capacities and willpower and will stand and fight for what they believe in like warriors. It's not like they are politicians who are slimy, cowardly idiots which will sell their own mothers if it made them look good.

...

It's about them as long as you keep quiet. If you just sit around and give yourself mental blowjobs thinking about how awful the country is and how the political class is iredeemable, you won't do anything. Now, I am not saying that you can make a difference. I am just saying, that the way to have a chance at making the difference you want to happen is by going on the streets. Not on the internet to make a group on a random political discussion site.

 

[Mr. Zero]

My brand? Your not getting it, and after all these posts, I don't think yo ever will. And I am not affiliated with the hackers, they are terrorists, but there are still many people who go on to that website to discuss actual problems and a way to end them peacefully, without attacking them in any way. We only fight when fought against, we are not the antagonists, we are the revolutionists, the ones who end all the tyrannic and non idealistic people who oppress us.

 

[Henrin]

The only power the people ever have is the ability to not tolerate their government. If the people tolerate it the government will take it and many times throughout history that was not even necessary. Governing bodies desire power over the individuals they rule. If you think you will get your freedom back with simply voicing disapproval you are delusional. They will simply sell you an illusion of having that freedom back while they stay actively involved in the process. That is the reality of the beast.

 

[Mr. Zero]

You really are something, comparing Anonymous to the Boston bombers. I pity you.

 

[Henrin]

Ok. Ofc you are right. The people in power are extraordinary human beings with well developed mental capacities and willpower and will stand and fight for what they believe in like warriors. It's not like they are politicians who are slimy, cowardly idiots which will sell their own mothers if it made them look good.

Yes, people do tell me the last time you gained back a freedom they took from you all the while they didn't gain anything in return. Do tell me all about it.

You might not know this, but it has never happened and it never will by the people simply voicing disapproval.

Go ahead and march in the street about your civil rights and when you get back I will be sure to tell you what will happen next.

 

[Rainman05]

Yes, people do tell me the last time you gained back a freedom they took from you all the while they didn't gain anything in return. Do tell me all about it.

You might not know this, but it has never happened and it never will by the people simply voicing disapproval.

Well, you obviously know more about this than I do. Being a total downer I mean who has no appreciation for how a democratic system can and does work.

But I will respect your opinion, after all, its not like I can change it.

 

[yo1]

Tell me.

When was the last time you made an internet group and changed anything?

Here's how you get the govt to hear you. Go outside and protest. Make that your fulltime job. I mean it. Go out every day with a panel and demand a chance on an issue. don't be generalist, be specific. - I demand cuts to this govt program. Name the govt program ofc.
-I demand lower taxes on <whatever>


Do that for a long time. I mean it. You will gather attention and the support of other people and you will make a difference. Making an internet group on a website dedicated to political discussions will change nothing.

Arab spring?