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Angry at the unvaccinated? Here's a better way

Ahlevah said:
Okay, I’ll try again:

Government still wants its citizens to live, thus requiring them to get vaccines in order to enter school.

Sorry if I confused you.
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Two-year olds do NOT go to school.
 
trixare4kids said:
And this helps you win hearts and change the minds of the unvaccinated how?

By mocking and making fun of them? Good luck with that.
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Appealing to one's own self-preservation instincts seems to me to be a good choice. Mocking the dead does not hurt them either. They are dead.
 
iguanaman said:
Intolerance of murderers used to go without saying. When people preach lies that kill people they are murderers. Vaccines have never been a choice and saying that they are is deplorable.
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Carry on with your mockings, if you think you will influence and teach others that vaccination is the way to go.
I can only change me and get vaccinated, but if you think you can get anyone to get vaccinated by tagging them a killer or a murderer, you have my blessings...
 
iguanaman said:
Appealing to one's own self-preservation instincts seems to me to be a good choice. Mocking the dead does not hurt them.
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If, as you say, you are interested in tweaking someone's "self preservation" then why are you not pissing on obesity instead? Not only is it a rippingly dangerous underlying condition with Covid - it creates all kinds of health issues and mortality.
 
screenwriter said:
If, as you say, you are interested in tweaking someone's "self preservation" then why are you not pissing on obesity instead? Not only is it a rippingly dangerous underlying condition with Covid - it creates all kinds of health issues and mortality.
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So now you are mocking "fatties"? That is heartless and cruel. Obesity is a disease and often genetic. Refusing to vaccinate for covid is moronic and telling others to refuse to vaccinate is murder. I have no empathy for murderers.
 
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iguanaman said:
So now you are mocking "fatties"? That is heartless and cruel. Obesity is a disease and often genetic. Refusing to vaccinate for covid is moronic and telling others to refuse to vaccinate is murder. I have no empathy for murderers.
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First, remove your "s from the word "fatties" - that's you attempting to project your view of them onto me.

So, let me understand. You are perfectly content to allow the obese to die horrible deaths in droves every single year as you pretend to care about the lives of others? Got it. Let them die? And they were dying well before Covid came on the scene - did you care about their lives then? Just because it runs in families doesn't make it "genetic". By your definition, that makes you a murderer since you aren't trying to prevent them from killing themselves.

And you can't say but .... but ... but ... this is a contagious disease is why. We have a long history of chemotherapy and transplant patients in the U.S. - if they want to go out and about, it could be quite deadly for them. They've always understood it was up to them to protect themselves. No one was called a "murderer" for not wearing a mask around them. Same has been true of the Flu season. Even in 2009 when there was a novel swine flu outbreak - it was the people who needed and wanted to protect that wore PPE and not everyone else. Anyone who wants to avoid Covid needs to act like someone who wants to avoid Covid. Vaccine, PPE, Social distance, decontamination of surfaces and the like.

I'm not anti vaccine. I'm anti mandates. Administering the vaccine at this point makes everyone a participant in a massive, and unmonitored, clinical trial. Not monitoring the participants in a clinical trial would invalidate the trial - but no one seems to care about that. It seems the most common side effect of taking the vaccine is turning into an Insufferable Bombastic Asshole - no wonder more people don't want to take it.
 
iguanaman said:
Appealing to one's own self-preservation instincts seems to me to be a good choice. Mocking the dead does not hurt them either. They are dead.
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My daughter was watching some comedian on T.V. over Christmas. One of his jokes (I'll use that term loosely) was about how he is obese and won't lose weight. What he said was basically that Covid is killing the obese and you'd think fear of such a death would be enough of a motivator to get into shape .... but Noooooooooooooo.

So explain about that "appealing to one's own self-preservation instincts" is working?

It's more like the number one side effect of the vaccine is to turn people into insufferable bombastic assholes - who would want to take a vaccine that turns a person into that?
 
So I'm just sitting here reading about Trump's rally in Florence. This should be good for a dozen or so MAGA freaks.

I'm not angry about the antivaxxers at all, anymore. I look at this as a market correction, only with yahoos being lost instead of money.
 
And believe me when I tell you, you don't want to see a 2 year old with diphtheria.
 
iguanaman said:
I sure will carry on. I am vaccinated and boosted.
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And I bet you will eventually get covid. Why? You put your faith in a relatively weak vaccine and even weaker (rather useless) masks. You think you are protected from the virus but you're not. The hospitals are filling up with people like you. I'm reading headlines all over the place where there are more vaccinated in the ICU units than unvaccinated. (Don't ask, do your own homework.) And you know what, you will also transmit the virus to another vaccinated person. But at least you will feel superior about yourself because you are triple vaccinated, even if you end up killing a couple of people. But the truth remains, if and when you get covid it's YOUR fault that you didn't protect yourself better. At that point, an unvaccinated person who didn't ever get covid because they were able to protect themselves better will be superior to you.
 
TearItAllDown said:
And I bet you will eventually get covid. Why? You put your faith in a relatively weak vaccine and even weaker (rather useless) masks. You think you are protected from the virus but you're not. The hospitals are filling up with people like you. I'm reading headlines all over the place where there are more vaccinated in the ICU units than unvaccinated. 😳 (Don't ask, do your own homework.) And you know what, you will also transmit the virus to another vaccinated person. But at least you will feel superior about yourself because you are triple vaccinated, even if you end up killing a couple of people. But the truth remains, if and when you get covid it's YOUR fault that you didn't protect yourself better. At that point, an unvaccinated person who didn't ever get covid because they were able to protect themselves better will be superior to you.
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trixare4kids said:
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Trix, that pretty much sums up the hate for the un-vaxxed. All they know is hate, and are incapable of empathy for another human being. I personally just received my third dose, not out of fear of covid, but because I was essentially forced by an authoritarian government to put something in my body if I want to continue to eat in restaurants and play tennis. But I feel no wrath against the un-vaxxed because I know the virus is infecting so many vaccinated people that the vaccine is almost useless for healthy people. I'll even go on record that the un-vaxxed are the true patriots who are resisting authoritarian governments from taking over every freedom we currently have. Not only do I have empathy for them, they have my respect if they are not getting the vaccine out of protest.
 
Overitall said:
Poor comparison. I get something in return for paying taxes.

I just cited the annual death rates from cancer - a disease -- being around 10 mil. Are you seriously gonna deflect from that fact?

I beg to differ with you. Average death rates from covid are available.
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Firstly, you get something in return for being vaccinated-vastly reduced risk of hospitalisation and death. Secondly, cancer isn't a highly contagious pandemic, so I fail to see why you mentioned it.
 
TearItAllDown said:
Trix, that pretty much sums up the hate for the un-vaxxed. All they know is hate, and are incapable of empathy for another human being. I personally just received my third dose, not out of fear of covid, but because I was essentially forced by an authoritarian government to put something in my body if I want to continue to eat in restaurants and play tennis. But I feel no wrath against the un-vaxxed because I know the virus is infecting so many vaccinated people that the vaccine is almost useless for healthy people. I'll even go on record that the un-vaxxed are the true patriots who are resisting authoritarian governments from taking over every freedom we currently have. Not only do I have empathy for them, they have my respect if they are not getting the vaccine out of protest.
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Why do you think someone deliberately spreading their disease and killing others deserves any empathy whatsoever? Now, please explain why you believe being encouraged to get vaccinated in any way impinges on your 'freedom'. Does having to wear a seatbelt in your car or on a flight also cause you to erupt into patriotic hysterics?
 
snakestretcher said:
Why do you think someone deliberately spreading their disease and killing others deserves any empathy whatsoever? Now, please explain why you believe being encouraged to get vaccinated in any way impinges on your 'freedom'. Does having to wear a seatbelt in your car or on a flight also cause you to erupt into patriotic hysterics?
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These stupid talking points are getting old and stale. First, is there any direct evidence that unvaccinated people are deliberately going around infecting people anymore than vaccinated people are going around deliberately infecting people? Secondly, I see a big difference between encouragement and mandates. You obviously can't. You obviously want a social control system that rivals that of China. Follow the party's mandates or be punished socially.
 
TearItAllDown said:
These stupid talking points are getting old and stale. First, is there any direct evidence that unvaccinated people are deliberately going around infecting people anymore than vaccinated people are going around deliberately infecting people? Secondly, I see a big difference between encouragement and mandates. You obviously can't. You obviously want a social control system that rivals that of China. Follow the party's mandates or be punished socially.
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There are no mandates, so why are you whining about them? And yes, there's plenty of evidence of the un-vaccinated infecting others. How else does this disease spread? Deliberate or otherwise, if you are un-vaccinated just walking past someone in the street can infect and possibly kill them. But that doesn't matter as long as you can yell 'freedom'. Let us know how 'free' you feel, fighting for breath on a ventilator, like 800,000+ dead Americans did, along with over five million around the world. So far.
www.nature.com

COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long

People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta.
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snakestretcher said:
There are no mandates, so why are you whining about them? And yes, there's plenty of evidence of the un-vaccinated infecting others. How else does this disease spread? Deliberate or otherwise, if you are un-vaccinated just walking past someone in the street can infect and possibly kill them. But that doesn't matter as long as you can yell 'freedom'. Let us know how 'free' you feel, fighting for breath on a ventilator, like 800,000+ dead Americans did, along with over five million around the world. So far.
www.nature.com

COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long

People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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1. There are mandates, and plenty of governments around the world have mandated vaccination. The country I currently live in has mandated that all over 50 must be vaccinated.
2. Today the vaccinated can infect others.
3. I was forced to get the vaccine 3 times and I could still end up in the ICU, like many other fully vaccinated people.
4. I think that we have to draw a line somewhere and I say from my skin inward is out of bounds for government control. My body, my decision. One day the right will have a majority and will no longer allow abortions no matter what and the left will go ape shit over bodily choice, and then will realize that their stance over vaccinations became precedent. Keep forcing people to submit to popular demands and someday you will find yourself part of the minority being coerced into doing something against your will. Then you will scream "freedom" at the top of your lungs and wish people still had some empathy for the minority.
 
TearItAllDown said:
1. There are mandates, and plenty of governments around the world have mandated vaccination. The country I currently live in has mandated that all over 50 must be vaccinated.
2. Today the vaccinated can infect others.
3. I was forced to get the vaccine 3 times and I could still end up in the ICU, like many other fully vaccinated people.
4. I think that we have to draw a line somewhere and I say from my skin inward is out of bounds for government control. My body, my decision. One day the right will have a majority and will no longer allow abortions no matter what and the left will go ape shit over bodily choice, and then will realize that their stance over vaccinations became precedent. Keep forcing people to submit to popular demands and someday you will find yourself part of the minority being coerced into doing something against your will. Then you will scream "freedom" at the top of your lungs and wish people still had some empathy for the minority.
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Do you pay tax, or are you as vocal in your complaints about mandatory taxation as you are over vaccine mandates?
 
DiAnna said:
Two-year olds do NOT go to school.
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Yeah, but.... They still go to daycare where they can get infected by other kids and the teachers there and then start infecting others and all around them in and out of daycare. In effect, they are superspreaders. If we are going to socially and governmentally force everyone to get vaccinated, then at least let's give newborns their first shot on day 0. We give infants vaccines all the time. Then, when we have to one-up that day 0 shot we can start thinking about in utero vaccinations. If we can't make exceptions for a small percentage of the adult population, we shouldn't discriminate based on age and must encourage ALL HUMANS to get the vaccine indiscriminately. It's only fair.
 
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