Why do you refer to the Jim Crow laws and say it was discrimination against an entire race when the laws were only enacted in the southern states? Do you think every black in the country lived in the south?
It might tell you something else...but it may not be something you want to admit. It MIGHT tell you that there is a reason for that discrimination and that reason MAY have something to do with the significant numbers (but still a minority) within that discriminated group that has created a negative hiring environment for other qualified individuals within the same racial group. Where a black employer is more likely to hire a white employee, it MIGHT not mean that employer is an institutionalized racist, but that in fact the employer might have negative experiences with other employees and be disinclined to hire another black applicant based on prior experiences.
Even if a person works in an environment where they are not discriminated against- which of course there are many of- they still live in the world. It would be impossible to be oblivious to it. Frankly even when a white person pretends they seriously are unaware of racial discrimination I find that very, very, hard to believe, but a black person that is unaware of it? No way.
Yes. I've participated in somewhere around 100 hiring committees over the years. Out of those maybe 6 candidates have been black. Every single one of those times, at least one person on the committee said something along the lines of "I just don't think they'd fit into the corporate culture" or had "concerns about professionalism" or similar. I don't think I remember either of those "issues" being raised about a white applicant ever. I doubt the people reacting that way are conscious of how the applicant's race is affecting their perception of the applicant. Probably conscious racial discrimination is very rare in all types of jobs, but the scientific studies of the question have all found that it occurs nonetheless. Hiring is extraordinarily subjective. For example, height turns out to be a huge factor in hiring decisions, although obviously nobody consciously thinks "I want to hire this applicant over the others because he is taller". Same deal with race.
That's pretty much the definition of racism. Attributing negative characteristics one perceives one person to have to other members of that race.
Talking about disbelief. Not a single white candidate was questioned? Not even by you?
Sounds like someone's not being exactly honest.
That purdy much makes Liberals the most racist mother****ers on the face of the Earth.
Anytime you vote for someone because of their ethnicity, not because of their qualifications that make the best for the job, or when you consider their ethnicity to trump all other aspects, then it is racist. What would you call it if I said I was voting for Perry because he's white and Obama is black, and their other differences don't matter? Would you call that racist
Racism between Black and Hispanic. However much exists between Black and White, the gulf between Hispanic and Black is far worse. The Hispanics won't vote for Obama in a large block, both because of their dislike and distrust of Blacks, and because they are repelled by Obama's racism as well.
Racism that isn't well publicized
No, I'm not saying that no white applicants were questioned. I'm saying that there are particular types of criticism that people are far more likely to level against black applicants. Vague concerns about "fitting in", cultural concerns, vague worries about professionalism...
That's going to require some explanation.
Sadly, that just is not true. In fact, if a white person and a black person apply for exactly the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get called back for an interview. As a whole the system is still overwhelmingly biased against black people and in favor of white people.
Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment by Devah Pager, Bruce Western, Bart Bonikowski :: SSRN
I doubt that as many white applicants apply for black or hispanic owned businesses. Trying to guesstimate this kind of thing based on individual experiences is like trying to figure out the distance to the moon by eyeballing it.
That said, I'm mostly just speculating based on studies in other areas that have found equal discrimination. For example, black cops discriminate against black suspects just as much as white cops do. I don't know of an employment discrimination study that addresses that question.
That would tell me that racism gets internalized. But everybody already knew that.
It might tell you something else...but it may not be something you want to admit. It MIGHT tell you that there is a reason for that discrimination and that reason MAY have something to do with the significant numbers (but still a minority) within that discriminated group that has created a negative hiring environment for other qualified individuals within the same racial group. Where a black employer is more likely to hire a white employee, it MIGHT not mean that employer is an institutionalized racist, but that in fact the employer might have negative experiences with other employees and be disinclined to hire another black applicant based on prior experiences.
I still think you are wrong though. I think you will find that a majority of minority owned businesses hire far more within their race. And thats not a BAD thing.
Heres another observation...I was in Chicago recently...damn near every store in downtown Chicago was manned by immigrant employees. Why do you suppose that is? (not laying a trap...I'll tell you my thoughts...it is because employer experience has shown that immigrants are willing to bust their ass, do a good job, because they value the job more than a typical American apllicant).
Let's not forget that many on the right believe they should be able to discriminate at private businesses.Did you forget to study the history of the Republican Party?
Lincoln's Republican Party is NOT by any stretch of the imagination the Republican Party of today. Moreover, the Democratic Party and Republican Party of the 1960s are NOT at all the Dem and Rep Parties of today - as I've said several times, the constituencies of the parties switched during the civil rights movements with the racist southern Dems moving to the Republican Party. Every time you repeat this myth, you reveal your ignorance. Study your history!
So we're still left with a world where employers don't discriminate against existing employees but there could exist some employers who do discriminate against applicants in the interview stage. Maybe, maybe not.
What academic studies seek to do is create conditions where all factors are controlled so that a relationship between the factors that are the focus of the study can be examined. This study doesn't quite meet that threshold because it leaves hanging in the air the issue of how employers view white, Latino and black workers in terms of what they will do for the employer in terms of working hard, being reliable and not causing trouble at work.
One more point about hiring whites as opposed to a minority.
Whites are not protected by any kind of legislation.
The business owner, especially in the low wage area, like the survey was, he would have to think about who can sue him and for what.
A minority can sue, even without a real case, if they get fired and say it was because of their race and it is up to the business owner to prove it wasn't.
That costs a lot of money.
Byrd was a member of the KKK when he was young, people change. Prove he was a racist when he died.Horse****. Robert Byrd was your missing link. Democrat racist Klan leader...democrat senator. This pretend story about...but really...it just all of a sudden switched over...is just that...a bull**** pretend story and it only works for people stupid enough to buy it and people invested in believing in it.
Byrd was a member of the KKK when he was young, people change. Prove he was a racist when he died.
So you think blacks are so stupid as to be led by Democrats. Thanks for that information.That's ****ing bull****!
The only thing that changed about the Democrat party is the tactics. The Democrats figured out that it's easier and cheaper to keep blacks on welfare than it is to keep them on the plantation and they get a bunch of votes out of it, to boot.
As far as the Republicans are concerned; we're still trying to abolish slavery.
I guess that is why he keep saying racist things until he died.
It's funny to me how many conservatives/Republicans think blacks are too stupid to make their own decisions. They're being "led" - incapable of rational thought.So you think blacks are so stupid as to be led by Democrats. Thanks for that information.
Actually, during much of the Jim Crow era, most blacks DID live in the south - about 90% at one point. But then BECAUSE of Jim Crow, blacks migrated to the North in two great movements: The Great Migration and The Second Great Migration.Why do you refer to the Jim Crow laws and say it was discrimination against an entire race when the laws were only enacted in the southern states? Do you think every black in the country lived in the south?
Did you forget to study the history of the Republican Party?
Lincoln's Republican Party is NOT by any stretch of the imagination the Republican Party of today.
Moreover, the Democratic Party and Republican Party of the 1960s are NOT at all the Dem and Rep Parties of today
as I've said several times, the constituencies of the parties switched during the civil rights movements with the racist southern Dems moving to the Republican Party.
So I guess I can assume that you don't actually respect "real world experience" like you say you do. You only respect your own experiences and willfully ignore the experiences of other people that don't fit into your worldview. Thanks for clarifying.Answer mine first. I double-dog-dare-ya!
History of the United States Republican Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Republican Party was founded on the slogan "Free Men, Free Soil" - a devotion to individual liberties, a free market economy, and an emphasis on the small businessman. The biggest change I can think of offhand is the removal of the protective tariff, and the importation and then rejection of a Progressive element, starting in the early 20th Century and ending only within the last decade or two.
I think you're confused. The Democratic and Republican Parties were transitioning in the 60s...that was my point. 1965 and 68 were when the great voter shifts happened.exactly. look at the people who were in the Democrat Party in the 60's. You're talking about people like the Kennedy's, the Clintons, so on and so forth. They were all quickly flushed out, and haven't held any power recently at all. LBJ is reviled by today's party; that's why they look such askance at his Great Society Program.
Listing names does nothing to erase the history of both parties.For example, the Robert Byrds'.
Byrd was a member of the KKK when he was young, people change. Prove he was a racist when he died.
Moreover, the Democratic Party and Republican Party of the 1960s are NOT at all the Dem and Rep Parties of today
exactly. look at the people who were in the Democrat Party in the 60's. You're talking about people like the Kennedy's, the Clintons, so on and so forth. They were all quickly flushed out, and haven't held any power recently at all. LBJ is reviled by today's party; that's why they look such askance at his Great Society Program.
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