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[tryreading]

The first debate was an undwhelming disappointment. Almost as much as 80% of the content of this thread. The first four pages are e-stuck together with all the masturbatory posting of about four key people on this forum. It was almost humorous. The first half of this thread seemed to be a group of high school kids cheerleading a diss contest.

I thought that's why the OP started this thread. For yuks.

Its okay to have a little fun, guy.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

you know McCain won when the most liberal of posters here can only muster things like "tie" and "he only had to hang with him"....


McCain waxed foreign policy breaking down the russian situation and all obama could do was say that john mccain was right and start talking about windmills.... :lol:

 

[Lerxst]

you know McCain won when the most liberal of posters here can only muster things like "tie" and "he only had to hang with him"....


McCain waxed foreign policy breaking down the russian situation and all obama could do was say that john mccain was right and start talking about windmills.... :lol:

You are wrong, McCain didn't win because liberal posters are decrying tie. McCain didn't win. If you are so enamored with the man that you can declare him a victor after such an unimpressive showing then we should begin redefining certain words on this forum so our conversations don't seem so far fetched.

 

[Slippery Slope]

How come there is no liberals here?

Because it's more intertaining to watch the repubs here desperately cling to everything McBush says in an effort to convince themselves that they like him.

I sat through the whole debate and learned nothing new about either candidate. The only thing that struck me is the way McCain refused to look at or speak to Obama. It seemed not only disrespectful but petty. It started right from the opening when they walked on stage. Obama came out with his hand extended and greeted McCain. I think McCain grunted. Skip to about 1:30 to see it.
YouTube - 1 of 11 - Obama / McCain Presidential Debate from Mississippi - 9/26/08

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

You are wrong, McCain didn't win because liberal posters are decrying tie. McCain didn't win. If you are so enamored with the man that you can declare him a victor after such an unimpressive showing then we should begin redefining certain words on this forum so our conversations don't seem so far fetched.

"McCain waxed foreign policy breaking down the russian situation and all obama could do was say that john mccain was right and start talking about windmills"



why did you not comment on this point?




i thought for the most part both sides were meh, then at that moment after mccain gave obama a prodigious beating on meeting with amanonajihad hit him with the russian thing.,

 

[John_Gault]

CBS ran a poll immediately after the debate and found that among undecided voters, 39% thought Obama won vs. 24% who thought McCain won. In addition, 46% of the uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better and only 8% said their opinion got worse. For McCain, 32% said they now thought more of him but 21% thought worse of him after the debate. Many observers have said this election is about Barack Obama. There is no doubt the country agrees with him on almost every policy issue. The key question is do people think he is up to the toughest job in the world. In terms of convincing people that he is ready for the top slot, the debate definitely helped him.

Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily

 

[Renae]

This thread was created for anyone to comment. If liberals chose to sit it out, that's their gig, not mine.

This thread was intended to discuss the debate as it happened and for after the debate.

 

[Slippery Slope]

McCain made some completely odd ball statements like when asked about the lessons of Iraq..."you can't have a failed strategy or you could lose." No ****? That is the lesson?

I said this same thing to my wife, I paused the DVR and asked, did he just say if we lose then we lose? What a maroon...

And his posture and facial expressions while Obama was speaking identified his true personality...and old, condescending asshole.

Agreed, I felt this way about his entire performance with not acknowledging Obama's presence on the stage with him to grinning while Obama was speaking and one time he even guffawed at something.

I did like McCain's commentary on taking care of the veterans. It was the only time in the debate I thought he was being truly sincere. He got big points for that I think because you could just tell he was speaking from heart and that was THE issue he would not let fail.

Too bad his record on veterans issues undermines his words on the subject. Like Bush he spouts off about taking care of veterans but when it comes time to increase their pay, or the GI Bill, or funding the VA, he votes against veterans.

I was not impressed with McCain's points on where he's been and how he understands. His Iraq visit lies came to mind (how he said it was so safe they didn't need body armor and Patraeus rolling in an unarmored hummer...yet John was always in body when he was touring and had a massive contingent of troops and support aircraft and Patraeus own staff said he always traveled in an uparmored hummer). Going to a country and visiting it for two or three days does not magically empower a person with intimate knowledge of what it takes to solve the problems there. McCain saying "I've been there, I know what it will take" was just nothing but blah.

His entire foreign policy speak comes off like my grampa retelling the same old stories he tells every year at the reunion... I remember when so-and-so shot a squirrel with his musket...

And McCain's criticism on Obama about speaking to other leaders without preconditions was just so played out. He couldn't even substantiate what he was talking about. "You legitimize their comments." No the **** you don't...not by just meeting with them. Lame.

Obama. Ah ah aha ah ah ahah ah ah ah ah. STOP!

I thought he did much less of the "Ah" and only stuttered a couple times. It's simply a function of his thoughts coming out quicker than his lips can keep up. He just needs to learn to pause before he speaks and it will decrease. I doubt anyone got drunk taking a shot for every "ah".

And why did he inject such a huge bit about his energy plan during a question about dealing with Russia (or was it Iran)?

I thought that was out of place too.

Regardless, I just had to roll my eyes. And I just about covered my eyes when he did the "I have a bracelet also" and nearly forgot the guys name that was on it.

At first I thought he was being sarcastic and my heart sank, then I realized it was a "me too" comment which seemed sophomoric. And the stutter on the guys name made me cringe.

Obama also had some good moments on defending his willingness to talk to other world leaders, yet overall his broad foreign policy case was like a soggy noodle. He spent too much time talking about quasi-specific energy issues when he should have been hitting back about what he would do. McCain beat him up on numerous points and Obama just meekly protested. At times it looked like a high school bully picking on a nerd with the nerd just saying "that's not right and you know it." SO WHAT! HIT BACK YA PANSY!

Both avoided directly answering certain questions and that bothered me. Both had their stupid moments. I was just unimpressed by both. Nobody wiped the floor with anyone, and those that claim they did are just showing how they lack any objectivity.

In my opinion I give a slight lead to McCain on talking points...he hit them at a stride but they were just a rehash of what we have heard this whole time. However they hit harder against Obama who seemed to not deal with them as well as he should have. He loses points for lying and looking like a grumpy old man.

Obama gets the edge on appearing more intelligent and articulate, more Presidential in his delivery. He seemed cordial and professional. He loses points for appearing weak and reactionary at times, he let McCain walk all over him at various spots.

I am disappointed in Obama's performance to some degree. And while McCain didn't really impress me at all, he didn't fail as bad as I thought he would. I truly thought Obama would beat him down...I was wrong.

Tie, and a ****ty tie at that. I hope the next one is better.

Agreed.

 

[Light Bearer]

I think I've been conversing with a child without realizing it.

Just to let you know, when you grow up, you'll want women's opinions, especially those of the women close to you.

As a grown up I believe Sarah Palin needs to go to Washington. She has bigger cajones than Obama and Biden combined. You've been raised by YOMAMA to be enthralled with OBAMA. That is not being a grown up, that is being brainwashed. Many Social Psychologists believe the P Whipping phenomenon starts in a boy's relationship with his mother. Your mom must be a strong woman and your wife must give you guidance you cannot function without. Congrats on being your own man. :roll:

However, there are clearly enough namby pambies in the male populous to drain the testosterone out of this country. So, go ahead and vote for Michelle Obama by proxy feeling like a 21st century man intimately in touch with his female side. I'll vote for the other ticket which is ready to lead at face value.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

WOW, YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??? SOME ARE BIG LIB LIARS TRYING ACT CENTERED. WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM.

That's okay, because those of you who are fascist apologists trying to act conservative are pretty damned obvious too.

 

[Slippery Slope]

As a grown up I believe Sarah Palin needs to go to Washington. She has bigger cajones than Obama and Biden combined. You've been raised by YOMAMA to be enthralled with OBAMA. That is not being a grown up, that is being brainwashed. Many Social Psychologists believe the P Whipping phenomenon starts in a boy's relationship with his mother. Your mom must be a strong woman and your wife must give you guidance you cannot function without. Congrats on being your own man. :roll:

However, there are clearly enough namby pambies in the male populous to drain the testosterone out of this country. So, go ahead and vote for Michelle Obama by proxy feeling like a 21st century man intimately in touch with his female side. I'll vote for the other ticket which is ready to lead at face value.

Oh look, how surprising it is to hear another neocon bully talking about big balls and kicking ass. We've had the "my penis is the biggest penis on the block" now for 8 years and look at the ****ing mess that's gotten us into. :stop:

 

[tryreading]

As a grown up I believe Sarah Palin needs to go to Washington. She has bigger cajones than Obama and Biden combined. You've been raised by YOMAMA to be enthralled with OBAMA. That is not being a grown up, that is being brainwashed. Many Social Psychologists believe the P Whipping phenomenon starts in a boy's relationship with his mother. Your mom must be a strong woman and your wife must give you guidance you cannot function without. Congrats on being your own man. :roll:

However, there are clearly enough namby pambies in the male populous to drain the testosterone out of this country. So, go ahead and vote for Michelle Obama by proxy feeling like a 21st century man intimately in touch with his female side. I'll vote for the other ticket which is ready to lead at face value.

Yeah, okay, you go ahead and vote for the guy whose wife owns him.

You think he can afford 12 houses and $500.00 shoes on a Senator's salary?

"Honey, pleeeease buy me some more $500.00 shoes. These aren't shiny anymooooore."

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Yeah, okay, you go ahead and vote for the guy whose wife owns him.

You think he can afford 12 houses and $500.00 shoes on a Senator's salary?

"Honey, pleeeease buy me some more $500.00 shoes. These aren't shiny anymooooore."

now here is a well thought out topical post. :doh:lol:

 

[Zyphlin]

You are wrong.
I watched the show when Kissinger said it.

Obama stated what Kissinger said, "There should not be Pre-conditions".

Obama never said that Kissinger said anything about direct Presidential talks.
Only McCain said this as a way of changing the subject.

Both Kissinger and Obama are against Pre conditions.
And they are both right.

From your link:
"While it appears Kissinger and Senator Barack Obama disagree on what level those talks should occur, they do agree talks should begin, in Kissinger's words, “at a very high level” and without preconditions."

McCain was the liar here.
He kept trying to change the subject from Pre-conditions to Presidential talks and place words in Obama's mouth in regard to Kissinger.
McCain failed badly for anyone that was paying attention and knew the facts.

God the way you throw the word liar about is so freaking hillarious.

Its so absolutely one sided, biased, and dishonest.

Obama stated HE would sit down with these leaders without preconditions, which McCain pointed out.

Obama countered this by pointing out that Kissinger agreed with him about meeting without pre-conditions, failing to mention that Kissinger was not talking about a PRESIDENT sitting down without pre-conditions...which is what McCain was referencing about Obama's words that started this.

McCain countered by pointing out the fact that Kissinger never stated the PRESIDENT should sit down without preconditions.

He wasn't "putting words in Obama's mouth", MCCAIN started the line of conversation by pointing out Obama's point that he, as president, would sit down with these leaders without preconditions. Obama's response to THAT FACT was that Kissinger agreed with him, which by YOUR REASONING is actually the LIE.

 

[Lerxst]

Let's see some RCP before the debate effect hits so we can compare say three days from now.

RCP as of Saturday the 27th.

RCP Average 09/21 - 09/26 -- 47.9 43.6 Obama +4.3
Gallup Tracking 09/24 - 09/26 2759 RV 49 44 Obama +5
Rasmussen Tracking 09/24 - 09/26 3000 LV 50 44 Obama +6
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/24 - 09/26 914 RV 48 43 Obama +5
GW/Battleground Tracking 09/21 - 09/25 1000 LV 46 48 McCain +2
CBS News/NY Times 09/21 - 09/24 LV 48 43 Obama +5
FOX News 09/22 - 09/23 900 RV 45 39 Obama +6
Marist 09/22 - 09/23 689 LV 49 44 Obama +5

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Barack Obama to win 2008 US Presidential Election 57.3% $6.8M
John McCain to win 2008 US Presidential Election 41.6% $6.8M

 

[tryreading]

now here is a well thought out topical post. :doh:lol:

Sometimes I get lucky.

 

[MC.no.spin]

CBS ran a poll immediately after the debate and found that among undecided voters, 39% thought Obama won vs. 24% who thought McCain won. In addition, 46% of the uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better and only 8% said their opinion got worse. For McCain, 32% said they now thought more of him but 21% thought worse of him after the debate. Many observers have said this election is about Barack Obama. There is no doubt the country agrees with him on almost every policy issue. The key question is do people think he is up to the toughest job in the world. In terms of convincing people that he is ready for the top slot, the debate definitely helped him.

Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily

I think worse of both of them.

 

[Light Bearer]

Oh look, how surprising it is to hear another neocon bully talking about big balls and kicking ass. We've had the "my penis is the biggest penis on the block" now for 8 years and look at the ****ing mess that's gotten us into. :stop:

The lack of leadership in the Democrat Congress, coddling ACORN via Fannie Mae, and Frank and Dods re-distribution of wealth schemes have broken Wall Street. Nothing worst than being gutless AND misguided. Democrats in Congress have destroyed our economy by forcing lenders to drop standards of home lending. Brilliant leadership. :rofl

 

[Lerxst]

Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily

Here's some more on post debate polling.

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports of those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The CNN pollster noted a slight Democratic bias in the survey. Well, there just are more Democrats in the country. So more Democrats watched. However, this may also suggest Democratic enthusiasm which will help turn out the vote.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

MediaCurves.com reported Independents favored Obama overall 61% to 38%.

I'm not standing behind this as THE representation of the final word, but thought it was simply interesting.

 

[Light Bearer]

Yeah, okay, you go ahead and vote for the guy whose wife owns him.

You think he can afford 12 houses and $500.00 shoes on a Senator's salary?

"Honey, pleeeease buy me some more $500.00 shoes. These aren't shiny anymooooore."

McCain married well and wears the pants in any of the seven households the wealth of his wife's family provided. See, real men attract the best of the women out there. The Yes dears settle for the lower tiers of available prospects, hence Obama marrying a radical and unattractive ball breaker. Liberals all know that appeasement starts at home as part of their real life experience training for foreign policy gaffs. .

 

[Lerxst]

McCain married well and wears the pants in any of the seven households the wealth of his wife's family provided. See, real men attract the best of the women out there. The Yes dears settle for the lower tiers of available prospects, hence Obama marrying a radical and unattractive ball breaker. Liberals all know that appeasement starts at home as part of their real life experience training for foreign policy gaffs. .

Who are you? The love child of Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter? :roll:

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

McCain married well and wears the pants in any of the seven households the wealth of his wife's family provided. See, real men attract the best of the women out there. The Yes dears settle for the lower tiers of available prospects, hence Obama marrying a radical and unattractive ball breaker. Liberals all know that appeasement starts at home as part of their real life experience training for foreign policy gaffs. .

 

[Summerwind]

Who are you? The love child of Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter? :roll:

LB is bizarro no doubt, but what do you really think would happen if Hannity told Coulter to sit down and shut up? I mean really, whose crotch packet would be forcibly removed in seconds and displayed in whose fisted hand? Hannity would so lose that encounter.

 

[Lerxst]

LB is bizarro no doubt, but what do you really think would happen if Hannity told Coulter to sit down and shut up? I mean really, whose crotch packet would be forcibly removed in seconds and displayed in whose fisted hand? Hannity would so lose that encounter.

That relationship would result in traditional role reversal.

 

[tryreading]

McCain married well and wears the pants in any of the seven households the wealth of his wife's family provided.

I thought McCain married well the first time. Course, being a real man, he had to abandon that lady due to physical flaws from a car wreck.

See, real men attract the best of the women out there. The Yes dears settle for the lower tiers of available prospects, hence Obama marrying a radical and unattractive ball breaker. Liberals all know that appeasement starts at home as part of their real life experience training for foreign policy gaffs. .

According to John himself, his current wife is not the best of the women out there:

At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c--t." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

This event was witnessed by 3 reporters and two aides of John McCain, Doug Cole and Wes Gullett.

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