And now will come a new Amendment

[ludin]

Yeah, okay, buddy.

show me where i said voter fraud. ol yea you can't.

So what you're saying is Biden did not get nearly as many votes as he should have.

prove all those people would have voted for biden first. ol yea you can't.

you seem to make a lot of accusations you can't prove ol well

 

[Geoist]

show me where i said voter fraud. ol yea you can't.

Except that is exactly what you were talking about and you immediately followed "where did I say anything about voter fraud?!" with a list of voter fraud claims.

prove all those people would have voted for biden first. ol yea you can't.

Biden encouraged his voters to vote by mail. Trump told his voters not to vote by mail. The election results are showing how people voted were generally dependent on who they were voting for.

you seem to make a lot of accusations you can't prove ol well

Says the guy with a whole list of voter fraud accusations. My god, project much?

 

[ludin]

Except that is exactly what you were talking about and you immediately followed "where did I say anything about voter fraud?!" with a list of voter fraud claims.





Biden encouraged his voters to vote by mail. Trump told his voters not to vote by mail. The election results are showing how people voted were generally dependent on who they were voting for.



Says the guy with a whole list of voter fraud accusations. My god, project much?

i didn't those were stories on the paper by people who experienced it. so please prove those people are lying.

they are stories that occured in just the past few weeks so please prove the newspapers are lying. once again you can't.

again yoy make accusations with nothing to support those accusations.

again please show where i said anything about voter fraud? you can't because i didn't.

what i did say was the whole mailing ballot thing is a disaster and it was.

thanks for showing that you can't prove anything you said though. not that i expected you to.

 

[Geoist]

i didn't those were stories on the paper by people who experienced it. so please prove those people are lying.

they are stories that occured in just the past few weeks so please prove the newspapers are lying. once again you can't.

again yoy make accusations with nothing to support those accusations.

again please show where i said anything about voter fraud? you can't because i didn't.

what i did say was the whole mailing ballot thing is a disaster and it was.

thanks for showing that you can't prove anything you said though. not that i expected you to.

You are clearly gaslighting so you will get no more responses from me. Have a nice day.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Right. If I decided to register my relative that suffers from dementia and doesn't know who I am any more, much less who's running for president, that's all perfectly legal. It's unethical as all get out and doesn't protect anybody's vote but as long as that vote goes to my party it's all fine and dandy.

Having them registered to vote is perfectly fine. Having that person vote is fine as well. Voting for that person is illegal

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Oh, so minorities can't figure out how to use absentee ballots or find their way to polling places? Sounds quite patronizing. BTW, it looks like Trump got 20% of black men and greatly increased his Hispanic support. I wonder how that happened.

Mail in ballots made exit polls inaccurate

 

[Hari Seldon]

Now that the Democrats know they can win any election as long as mail in voting prevails we will soon see A new Amendment to the Constitution.

Article IV, Section 4 will be removed and replaced with a guarantee of "Democracy". People will cheer. Foreign leaders will applaud.


And the very foundation of American principles will be put to rest forever more.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Now that the Democrats know they can win any election as long as mail in voting prevails we will soon see A new Amendment to the Constitution.

Article IV, Section 4 will be removed and replaced with a guarantee of "Democracy". People will cheer. Foreign leaders will applaud.


And the very foundation of American principles will be put to rest forever more.

Plenty of mail in balloting before this year. I guess its only a problem when your guy loses.

States offering universal mail-in voting or sending absentee ballot requests to all voters

As the United States prepares to hold an election during a pandemic, the country is expecting an unprecedented number of people to vote by mail as states move to make it easier for people to vote without going to an in-person polling place.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Hypothetical]

What's the difference between a mail in ballot and voting in person?

I can't see it.

easier to tamper with , add to or subtract from.

pretty easy to see that.

 

[Buckeyes85]

easier to tamper with , add to or subtract from.

pretty easy to see that.

Really? Walk me thru the easy to tamper with/add in or subtract from part? Not vague claims, but specifics if in fact it would be easy to do. And perhaps also offer who is going to be carrying out this fraud on a sufficiently large scale so as to make a difference in any election,.

 

[Deuce]

true.
a mail out ballot has no verification of the person receiving it is that person.

Again, false. Every absentee ballot has voter verification measures.

You've never actually seen an absentee ballot before, have you?

 

[Far right dem]

That's an excellent question!

With mail in ballots you, as a party, can register homeless, mentally challenged and all kinds of otherwise disinterested voters. Then you just need them to sign up for mail in ballots, sign the blank ballots once received, and turn them over to you for proper "processing".

I don't get it. Wouldn't republicans be able to do that too with mail in voting?

 

[Deuce]

That's not the point. The point is that hundreds of thousands of people could do it

Every single person in this country could decide to rob a liquor store tomorrow. You can't swing an election with hypothetical fraud.

and there's no way to detect it.

Completely false. Right wing brainwashing at its best.

Mail in and ID-less voting is an invitation to fraud, abuse and inefficiency. It cannot be otherwise.

It can be and it absolutely is otherwise.

 

[ludin]

Again, false. Every absentee ballot has voter verification measures.

You've never actually seen an absentee ballot before, have you?

these are not absentee ballots. absentee ballots must be requested by the person.

the fact you don't know what you are talking about makes this conversation impossible.

 

[Yakshi]

 

[Fishking]

Automatically issue each citizen an ID and you'll actually see more states enact that rule. Not that there is a widespread problem to address...

If it's a requirement for voting then it would have to be a requirement for the government to provide it. I agree with your statement.

 

[Bullseye]

Now that the Democrats know they can win any election as long as mail in voting prevails we will soon see A new Amendment to the Constitution.

Article IV, Section 4 will be removed and replaced with a guarantee of "Democracy". People will cheer. Foreign leaders will applaud.


And the very foundation of American principles will be put to rest forever more.

Assuming we can convince 2/3s of both houses to agree and 3/4s of states to approve. Not holding my breath.

 

[Geoist]

If it's a requirement for voting then it would have to be a requirement for the government to provide it. I agree with your statement.

The problem is some states make it a requirement for voting without automatically providing the IDs to the citizens. Many citizens, particularly low income and urban-dwelling citizens (Democratic voters), do not have IDs which is why it is politically convenient for Republicans to pretend there is a major issue with voter fraud.

 

[Fishking]

The problem is some states make it a requirement for voting without automatically providing the IDs to the citizens. Many citizens, particularly low income and urban-dwelling citizens (Democratic voters), do not have IDs which is why it is politically convenient for Republicans to pretend there is a major issue with voter fraud.

Then I think those states should be required by law to provide it. Voting shouldn't cost people anything.

 

[Bullseye]

The problem is some states make it a requirement for voting without automatically providing the IDs to the citizens. Many citizens, particularly low income and urban-dwelling citizens (Democratic voters), do not have IDs which is why it is politically convenient for Republicans to pretend there is a major issue with voter fraud.

Which states?

 

[Geoist]

Which states?

You can see the list here.

 

[Citizen]

Now that the Democrats know they can win any election as long as mail in voting prevails we will soon see A new Amendment to the Constitution.

Article IV, Section 4 will be removed and replaced with a guarantee of "Democracy". People will cheer. Foreign leaders will applaud.


And the very foundation of American principles will be put to rest forever more.

You have no clue

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I didn't say that we shouldn't have it. That's a rather moot point anyway since we DO have it.

What I said is that now Democrats unquestionably control that vote they can and will do whatever they want. One of the first things they'll do is clear out the two Republican GA senators that are going to have to have a runoff. After that they will start working on getting rid of Article IV, Section 4 because they ABSOLUTELY don't believe in a Republican form of government. There really won't be a way to achieve Parliamentary Democracy without getting that done.

Now that the Democrats know they can win any election as long as mail in voting prevails we will soon see A new Amendment to the Constitution.

Article IV, Section 4 will be removed and replaced with a guarantee of "Democracy". People will cheer. Foreign leaders will applaud.

And the very foundation of American principles will be put to rest forever more.

We can have a Republic and democracy.

They are not mutually exclusive.

The problem you have with democracy is it allows people to vote who you don't think should be allowed to vote.

Also, nothing is going to change anyway. The hurdle to amending the Constitution is too high:

Amending the U.S. Constitution

.

But most Trump supporters do not understand this because they fell asleep through or didn't even attend government/civics classes.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Right. If I decided to register my relative that suffers from dementia and doesn't know who I am any more, much less who's running for president, that's all perfectly legal. It's unethical as all get out and doesn't protect anybody's vote but as long as that vote goes to my party it's all fine and dandy.

Trump lost. Put on your big boy pants and accept it.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

i didn't those were stories on the paper by people who experienced it. so please prove those people are lying.

they are stories that occured in just the past few weeks so please prove the newspapers are lying. once again you can't.

again yoy make accusations with nothing to support those accusations.

again please show where i said anything about voter fraud? you can't because i didn't.

what i did say was the whole mailing ballot thing is a disaster and it was.

thanks for showing that you can't prove anything you said though. not that i expected you to.

Trump lost. Trump is a loser. Suck it up. Act like an adult.