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An Open Letter to the Colluding Press

Conservative said:
They are results generated by the private sector that knew they wouldn't be penalized for positive performance and that class warfare legislation wouldn't be initiated. You don't seem to understand incentive or how it works which probably says a lot about you in real life. Trump's reversal of the Obama anti Growth EO's, elimination of the ACA mandate taxes, and relieving federal environmental regulations are what the private sector reacted to. I was in that sector for over 35 years and know what motivates them. Profit isn't a four letter word and is what makes the private sector viable and this country the greatest on the face of the earth. Stop trying to penalize people for generating personal wealth and stop judging people by what they earn and what they have. Celebrate success
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hehe...not for nothing, bud, but this rambling post demonstrates why you shouldn't debate Rogue... You're getting owned... :lol:
 
Conservative said:
Oh, by the way absolutely how amazing the Obama results are AFTER he left office so just think how great they might have been had he left earlier?
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If it were not for Trump policy the economy would not be what it is today; BOOMING. :cool:

Who deserves credit for the booming economy? This is not a petty argument. How voters answer the question could well determine whether Democrats retake the House of Representatives come November.

Trump and Obama (and their admirers) are slugging it out, both claiming that it is their policies that have led to the ongoing economic expansion, steady job growth and higher stock prices.

Happily for President Trump, the pros agree with him. A recent survey of economists suggest it is President Trump, and not Obama, who should be taking a bow.

The Wall Street Journal asked 68 business, financial and academic economists who was responsible for the strengthening of the economy, and most “suggested Mr. Trump’s election deserves at least some credit” for the upturn.
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Economists agree: Trump, not Obama, gets credit for economy
 
Conservative said:
So you are of the belief that Americans paid 90% of their income per FDR? Really? Where did you get your education. Keep diverting from the Tread topic as the American people benefit from the Trump economic policies. In 1 1/2 years Trump has created 2/3 of the jobs that Obama created in 8 years but then again opinions from radicals always trumps the actual results generated
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LOL As a former Democrat you should at least know that the top tax rates were 90% in the 1940's, 50's and early 60's. The point of that high rate was that people did not pay them and instead shared their profits with workers and used them to invest in their business and the future. Then you and your ilk got greedy and we can see what that caused.

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OlNate said:
hehe...not for nothing, bud, but this rambling post demonstrates why you shouldn't debate Rogue... You're getting owned... :lol:
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Yep, that is why my posts are getting likes. You leftists are in a world of your own, true cult followers totally incapable of researching and positing official data
 
iguanaman said:
LOL As a former Democrat you should at least know that the top tax rates were 90% in the 1940's, 50's and early 60's. The point of that high rate was that people did not pay them and instead shared their profits with workers and used them to invest in their business and the future. Then you and your ilk got greedy and we can see what that caused.

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Marginal tax rates mean exactly what? Stop letting the left make a fool out of you
 
Conservative said:
Yep, that is why my posts are getting likes. You leftists are in a world of your own, true cult followers totally incapable of researching and positing official data
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lmao...I went back 6 pages, you got 2 likes from Trix. :lamo

I mean, at this point I'm almost too embarrassed for you to continue...
 
OlNate said:
lmao...I went back 6 pages, you got 2 likes from Trix. :lamo

I mean, at this point I'm almost too embarrassed for you to continue...
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Not going to get many likes from radicals who spend all their time in here, being retired I have plenty of time but most Americans are actually working in this Trump economy and not spending time responding to leftists trying to destroy the President and never acknowledging the results.
 
Conservative said:
Not going to get many likes from radicals who spend all their time in here, being retired I have plenty of time but most Americans are actually working in this Trump economy and not spending time responding to leftists trying to destroy the President and never acknowledging the results.
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Well, we sorted that claim out quick enough...what else are you lying about?
 
Conservative said:
I believe you are helping the Russians achieve their goal of creating chaos. This obviously is a major issue for you but you don't understand the consequences of your actions. Trump is President, he was duly elected and you will have a chance to get him out of office in 2020. Do you have any idea what Impeachment would do to this country, the economy, the stock market over what appears to be an issue of propaganda released to influence voters? You have no proof that any votes were changed and only that a country that isn't even a threat to us any more with 143 million people submitted internet propaganda to create chaos. They have been successful with your support
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LOL It has always been Trump helping the Russians create chaos. Cohen has stated that Trump new about the hacking of the DNC BEFORE it even happened.

President Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen has “knowledge” about computer hacking and collusion that may interest special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Cohen’s lawyer said.

One day after Cohen pleaded guilty to illegal campaign finance charges over hush money paid to a porn actress and a former Playboy model — all but naming Trump as having ordered him to do it — Cohen’s lawyer said Wednesday he would be happy to share the information with the special counsel or Congress.
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Cohen has ?knowledge? of Russia campaign conspiracy, lawyer says
 
Conservative said:
One more time, how are IOU's funded?? Do you take an IOU to the grocery store or pay your rent with it? So they have been guaranteed, the money to fund those IOU's has to be borrowed or printed both hurting you and your pocketbook

The deficit hasn't ballooned under Trump as you have only posted opinions and predictions not data nor do you understand the context of that data, 500 billion of fiscal year 2018 debt is debt service on the DEBT TRUMP INHERITED

So regarding job creation is BLS lying



This is data and verifiable. you offer nothing but opinions

Average job growth in full employment is irrelevant the quality of the jobs matters. Not only has Trump created almost 4 million jobs, most of them are full time not the part time ones from Obama, and we have had significant growth in manufacturing and mining, all high paying jobs. Federal FIT revenue is up even with the tax cuts, how do you explain it?

Buy the way there was NO DEPRESSION just leftwing marketing of a bad recession that didn't affect you at all. You believe that Obama took employment up 14 million when the reality is the starting point should have been the pre recession numbers of 146 million as those were the Democratic Numbers when the recession began. You don't create jobs to get back to what was lost
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Hey totally obtuse idiot...you are using table the indicates the number of people over 16 that employed each year not job growth. I supplied you the BLS statistics on job growth. Job growth under Trump has averaged 190K per month. Under President Obama it was averaging 189.9K per month which means job growth has been FLAT under Trump. The number you provided just indicates the number of people over 16 with a job. Doesn't mean a full time job. Doesn't mean anything really. If you keep up with job growth as Trump has barely been able to do then that number will grow....why because about 3.9M people in the U.S. turn 16 every year which means they can get jobs. If you keep up with job growth then the number of people over 16 with a job will keep growing. It doesn't mean that 4M jobs were created. You are ****ing idiot.

Also I do use IOU's to pay for my groceries and my rent. What do you think a check is. A check is an IOU from me to whomever I give it to signed. Also my bank statement is an IOU from the bank to me telling the bank owes me that amount of money that I have on deposit. If I deposit money in a bank the bank just doesn't store that money. It uses that money for loans etc. and gives me an IOU for the amount I deposit. You really don't have clue do you?
 
Conservative said:
One more time, how are IOU's funded?? Do you take an IOU to the grocery store or pay your rent with it? So they have been guaranteed, the money to fund those IOU's has to be borrowed or printed both hurting you and your pocketbook

The deficit hasn't ballooned under Trump as you have only posted opinions and predictions not data nor do you understand the context of that data, 500 billion of fiscal year 2018 debt is debt service on the DEBT TRUMP INHERITED

So regarding job creation is BLS lying



This is data and verifiable. you offer nothing but opinions

Average job growth in full employment is irrelevant the quality of the jobs matters. Not only has Trump created almost 4 million jobs, most of them are full time not the part time ones from Obama, and we have had significant growth in manufacturing and mining, all high paying jobs. Federal FIT revenue is up even with the tax cuts, how do you explain it?

Buy the way there was NO DEPRESSION just leftwing marketing of a bad recession that didn't affect you at all. You believe that Obama took employment up 14 million when the reality is the starting point should have been the pre recession numbers of 146 million as those were the Democratic Numbers when the recession began. You don't create jobs to get back to what was lost
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Also idiot boy here is the deficit ballooning under Trump.

https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget
 
OlNate said:
Oh, speaking of stuff that isn't relevant to anything, I saw a spoon yesterday...AND today!!
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You are certainly right the 4 million newly hired people, 4.1% GDP growth, 500 billion in debt service is totally irrelevant. Thanks for pointing that out
 
OlNate said:
Well, we sorted that claim out quick enough...what else are you lying about?
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Prove that I am lying about the data posted or go to the ignore list like the rest of the radicals who refuse to debate honestly
 
iguanaman said:
LOL It has always been Trump helping the Russians create chaos. Cohen has stated that Trump new about the hacking of the DNC BEFORE it even happened.



Cohen has ?knowledge? of Russia campaign conspiracy, lawyer says
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I don't see Trump defacing public property or staging protests around the nation, only radical leftists. Please cite the campaign law that states a private individual cannot spend whatever they want wherever they want? You have been indoctrinated by the left. You will have a chance in 2020 to get rid of Trump, why is impeachment so important to you now?
 
Conservative said:
Spent most of my life supporting Democrats until the Democratic Party got taken over by radical leftists who are promoting class warfare and a socialist agenda. Now if you want to address the results in this OP then I will respond but if not, just another waste of time with radicals who want to spread their misery equally to everyone else. I chose the positive results being generated and will continue to celebrate them
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Sorry... I thought I did address the OP's point in this thread or another similar one by saying that Trump steps on celebration of the economy's success by his antics which get greater attention. If I were him, I would hammer on the improving economy, even be a bit gracious and say he had improved significantly on Obama's record, not address Manafort and Cohen or do so only to deny wrongdoing.

You must be very old. The democrats' socialist agenda started in the 1930s.
 
Conservative said:
Prove that I am lying about the data posted or go to the ignore list like the rest of the radicals who refuse to debate honestly
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lol...it would probably just be easier to put me on the ignore list...and everyone else on DP. That way you wouldn't have to deal with anyone challenging you on your limited understanding of statistics and economics.

I'm just here to read Rogue's posts, to be honest. :shrug:

PS: I simply asked what else you're lying about, given that you had no problem grossly inflating your "Likes" statistics. Don't get salty cuz you got caught, I haven't accused you of anything, just askin'... ;)
 
trixare4kids said:
If it were not for Trump policy the economy would not be what it is today; BOOMING. :cool:

Economists agree: Trump, not Obama, gets credit for economy
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That would be a highly biased source. It is like when Christians fundamentalists, those against same sex marriage, they could find people who would agree with them.

The economy would still be doing really close to what it is doing now under HRC. It really is that simple. The only difference is, that she would not have likely traded our environment for a few extra jobs that would have likely opened up anyway.
 
smb said:
Hey totally obtuse idiot...you are using table the indicates the number of people over 16 that employed each year not job growth. I supplied you the BLS statistics on job growth. Job growth under Trump has averaged 190K per month. Under President Obama it was averaging 189.9K per month which means job growth has been FLAT under Trump. The number you provided just indicates the number of people over 16 with a job. Doesn't mean a full time job. Doesn't mean anything really. If you keep up with job growth as Trump has barely been able to do then that number will grow....why because about 3.9M people in the U.S. turn 16 every year which means they can get jobs. If you keep up with job growth then the number of people over 16 with a job will keep growing. It doesn't mean that 4M jobs were created. You are ****ing idiot.

Also I do use IOU's to pay for my groceries and my rent. What do you think a check is. A check is an IOU from me to whomever I give it to signed. Also my bank statement is an IOU from the bank to me telling the bank owes me that amount of money that I have on deposit. If I deposit money in a bank the bank just doesn't store that money. It uses that money for loans etc. and gives me an IOU for the amount I deposit. You really don't have clue do you?
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OMG, job growth in a full employed economy is not nearly as great as it would be in a recession but Obama's job growth was 6 million in 9 years and that is a disaster. You want to ignore the millions of jobs that were lost during the Obama term and stimulus cherry picking the starting date. the starting date for Obama was based upon his campaign promise of getting us back to pre recession levels which was 146 million employed. Employed people pay taxes, jobs being created are part of that.

But you are right, when you post job creation that is any kind of job creation which includes part time for economic reasons. when the recession began that was 4.7 million and during the Obama recovery it was over 8 million so those people were counted as employed and you are taking victory laps over part time employees paying less than full time taxes. Only a leftist believes that 146 million employed with 8 million of them part time for economic reasons is a good economic result.

A check is a form of payment NOT an IOU and is reimbursable for cash. You think the grocery store is going to take your IOU and accept it as payment? Where did you get your education and why such loyalty to liberalism. You a member of the liberal elite or Obama administration? You simply cannot admit you are wrong.

You seem to want to focus on job growth and not employment. Again how do you grow jobs at full employment? You don't you change the jobs into full time positions which Trump has done
 
smb said:
Also idiot boy here is the deficit ballooning under Trump.

https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget
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Stop with the name calling CBO MAKES PREDICTIONS TREASURY REPORTS DATA. Trump's deficit includes 500 billion in debt service on debt he inherited another subject you have never learned. Please stop with the leftwing bull****, you don't give a damn about the deficits or the debt as indicated by the Obama years of trillion dollar deficits four years in a row. Let me know when Trump generates trillion dollar deficits?
 
OlNate said:
lol...it would probably just be easier to put me on the ignore list...and everyone else on DP. That way you wouldn't have to deal with anyone challenging you on your limited understanding of statistics and economics.

I'm just here to read Rogue's posts, to be honest. :shrug:

PS: I simply asked what else you're lying about, given that you had no problem grossly inflating your "Likes" statistics. Don't get salty cuz you got caught, I haven't accused you of anything, just askin'... ;)
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Go for it, you don't want facts, you want the cult to agree with you and ignore the facts.
 
roguenuke said:
That would be a highly biased source. It is like when Christians fundamentalists, those against same sex marriage, they could find people who would agree with them.

The economy would still be doing really close to what it is doing now under HRC. It really is that simple. The only difference is, that she would not have likely traded our environment for a few extra jobs that would have likely opened up anyway.
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So where did you get your ability to predict the future? You think Hillary would have kept Obama's anti growth EO's, cut taxes to promote economic activity? Where is there any indication that would happen?
 
Nickyjo said:
Sorry... I thought I did address the OP's point in this thread or another similar one by saying that Trump steps on celebration of the economy's success by his antics which get greater attention. If I were him, I would hammer on the improving economy, even be a bit gracious and say he had improved significantly on Obama's record, not address Manafort and Cohen or do so only to deny wrongdoing.

You must be very old. The democrats' socialist agenda started in the 1930s.
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I agree with you, wish Trump would STFU but that is what a lot of business people do. Being civil with the left doesn't work though as they destroyed a very good man in GWH Bush as well as his son who refused to engage them in their own tactics. 24/7 Trump bashing has to be addressed so I do understand the reaction although I still don't like it. Basically for me the results matter as I have always dealt with people's rhetoric that was brash and many times uncouth.
 
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