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Anyone who equates eating animals with eating human babies is not in their right mind, IMHO.
The Table Comes First Adam Gopnik pg 144
OK, I have sorta heard this argument before but not stated so well. I dont agree on the grounds that other species are not humans and we have as our first responsibility our own best interests, and that species kill eat other species all the time, why should we consider this a problem? Eating our own babies is a whole nother thing entirely, that is not relevant here, as this is about eating other species. This also invalidates the catchy emotionally charged NAZI argument, though we do have to not that I have not ever heard that the NAZI's claimed that this was the reason they did the showers, my information is that they did it to make the job easier, those who dont know that they are going to die are easier to manage which is why they did it and I never heard them claim otherwise so this needs to be documented.
I am interested if anyone is convinced by the argument that Gopnik lays out, or can expand upon it.
Note: He does not claim that he believes it, he claims to be restating the argument that others have given him.
tyvm
Their populations would be much reduced, anyway. But, maybe we shiuld reduce the human population instead. They're terrible people, you know.
Anyone who equates eating animals with eating human babies is not in their right mind, IMHO.
I do but I`m not going to eat my own children
Humans are orders of magnitude beyond animals, in intellect, society, culture, art, organization and every other way. Humans are a new and different paradigm from animals, an entire different order and mode of being. There is no comparison between humans and animals.
When a gorilla composes something as elaborate and complex and moving as Beethoven's Ninth, we can revisit the question.
So we get to decide what our relationship with the far-lesser creatures will be, not simply because we're more powerful but because we're as far beyond them as the Internet is beyond the stone spearhead.
As the only beings capable of concerning ourselves with moral questions, any moral value attached to an animal is derived from its relationship to humans. AKA we can eat them if we want, and since a little meat is a natural and useful part of our diet, why not.
Otherwise, if Man is just another Animal.... well animals eat each other, so might as well carry on. Nature is brutal; some predators start eating before the prey is even dead.
The Table Comes First Adam Gopnik pg 144
OK, I have sorta heard this argument before but not stated so well. I dont agree on the grounds that other species are not humans and we have as our first responsibility our own best interests, and that species kill eat other species all the time, why should we consider this a problem? Eating our own babies is a whole nother thing entirely, that is not relevant here, as this is about eating other species. This also invalidates the catchy emotionally charged NAZI argument, though we do have to not that I have not ever heard that the NAZI's claimed that this was the reason they did the showers, my information is that they did it to make the job easier, those who dont know that they are going to die are easier to manage which is why they did it and I never heard them claim otherwise so this needs to be documented.
I am interested if anyone is convinced by the argument that Gopnik lays out, or can expand upon it.
Note: He does not claim that he believes it, he claims to be restating the argument that others have given him.
tyvm
Humans are animals. Or do you think they are plants, or fungi?
OK, I have sorta heard this argument before but not stated so well. I dont agree on the grounds that other species are not humans and we have as our first responsibility our own best interests, and that species kill eat other species all the time, why should we consider this a problem?
Eh. Terrible people or not, they're OUR terrible people.
Well that plus the fact that we are in a new Post Truth Dark Age....where "The Ends Justify the Means" has ruled for ages, to the point we now consider river demons in New Zealand equal to humans with human rights, but I digress....
Thank you for your participation, you seem like a pretty bright guy, which makes you being here all the better.
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Quite cowardly of you to keep perpetuating a lie. So this is basically another thread in which if you do not get your way then like a petulant child you will make up any ****
I made a pretty decent case, both here and there.
Clearly your morning is not going as well as mine is, my mood is fantastic!
Try to play nice, you will get to see me more often.
No you used hyperbole and lies. Your use of the word river demon is incorrect . An attempted fallacy instead of a well thought out argument.
It is amusing to me that all you can do is argue by fallacy. This post of yours is an appeal to emotion by trying to guess what my mood is.
I really could not care less if i ever see you again.
Humans are orders of magnitude beyond animals, in intellect, society, culture, art, organization and every other way. Humans are a new and different paradigm from animals, an entire different order and mode of being. There is no comparison between humans and animals.
When a gorilla composes something as elaborate and complex and moving as Beethoven's Ninth, we can revisit the question.
So we get to decide what our relationship with the far-lesser creatures will be, not simply because we're more powerful but because we're as far beyond them as the Internet is beyond the stone spearhead.
As the only beings capable of concerning ourselves with moral questions, any moral value attached to an animal is derived from its relationship to humans. AKA we can eat them if we want, and since a little meat is a natural and useful part of our diet, why not.
Otherwise, if Man is just another Animal.... well animals eat each other, so might as well carry on. Nature is brutal; some predators start eating before the prey is even dead.
Not to mention....animals are delicious.
4. Is a lion being immoral when it eats a gazelle? Cats will actually get sick without meat, as well as other carnivorous creatures.
If that's the question, what about capacity to engage in moral reasoning?
(I'm no vegetarian, trust me)
The Table Comes First Adam Gopnik pg 144
OK, I have sorta heard this argument before but not stated so well. I dont agree on the grounds that other species are not humans and we have as our first responsibility our own best interests, and that species kill eat other species all the time, why should we consider this a problem? Eating our own babies is a whole nother thing entirely, that is not relevant here, as this is about eating other species. This also invalidates the catchy emotionally charged NAZI argument, though we do have to not that I have not ever heard that the NAZI's claimed that this was the reason they did the showers, my information is that they did it to make the job easier, those who dont know that they are going to die are easier to manage which is why they did it and I never heard them claim otherwise so this needs to be documented.
I am interested if anyone is convinced by the argument that Gopnik lays out, or can expand upon it.
Note: He does not claim that he believes it, he claims to be restating the argument that others have given him.
tyvm
He or whoever came up with that argument is nothing more than a animal rights loony trying to compare humans to live stock animals.It is perfectly moral for humans to eat cows, chickens and other animals. Humans are omnivores.Like all other omnivores on the planet we eat plants and animals.But unlike all other ominvores we raise most of our food so we do not decimate the wild animal and plant population.The Table Comes First Adam Gopnik pg 144
OK, I have sorta heard this argument before but not stated so well. I dont agree on the grounds that other species are not humans and we have as our first responsibility our own best interests, and that species kill eat other species all the time, why should we consider this a problem? Eating our own babies is a whole nother thing entirely, that is not relevant here, as this is about eating other species. This also invalidates the catchy emotionally charged NAZI argument, though we do have to not that I have not ever heard that the NAZI's claimed that this was the reason they did the showers, my information is that they did it to make the job easier, those who dont know that they are going to die are easier to manage which is why they did it and I never heard them claim otherwise so this needs to be documented.
I am interested if anyone is convinced by the argument that Gopnik lays out, or can expand upon it.
Note: He does not claim that he believes it, he claims to be restating the argument that others have given him.
tyvm
If that's the question, what about capacity to engage in moral reasoning?
(I'm no vegetarian, trust me)
He or whoever came up with that argument is nothing more than a animal rights loony trying to compare humans to live stock animals.It is perfectly moral for humans to eat cows, chickens and other animals. Humans are omnivores.Like all other omnivores on the planet we eat plants and animals.But unlike all other ominvores we raise most of our food so we do not decimate the wild animal and plant population.
Morrisons suppliers' pigs pictured crammed in cages and left shivering on floor | Daily Mail OnlineChick culling is the process of killing newly hatched poultry for which the industry has no use. It occurs in all industrialised egg production whether free range, organic, or battery cage - including that of the UK and US. Because male chickens do not lay eggs and only those on breeding programmes are required to fertilise eggs, they are considered redundant to the egg-laying industries and are usually killed soon after they hatch[1] and shortly after being sexed. Many methods of culling do not involve anaesthetic and include cervical dislocation, asphyxiation by carbon dioxide and maceration using a high speed grinder.[2]
Cruelty to Cows: How Cows Are Abused for Meat and Dairy Products | Animals Used for Food | Issues | PETA AsiaShocking footage has emerged of pigs being crammed into tiny cages and left shivering on the floor at a farm which supplies to Morrisons.
They discovered dozens of tiny piglets in wire cages stacked three high and some who had fallen and were abandoned underneath. In some pens there were even dead animals lying on the floor.
Pregnant sows were held in small farrowing crates only inches wider than them, where they were unable to turn and can only stand up, lie down or suckle their piglets once they are born.
The crates – which are legal - are designed to maximise productivity, and ultimately drive down the cost of meat.
When they are still very young, cows are burned with hot irons (branded), their horns are cut or burned off, and males have their testicles ripped out (castrated). Many are sent to filthy holding pens called “feedlots,” where they are crammed together by the thousands and fed an unnatural diet to fatten them up before slaughter. Cows raised for food are regularly dosed with drugs such as antibiotics to make them grow faster and keep them alive long enough to make it to the slaughterhouse.
The killing odf the animal itself is no the problem with the meat industry. It is the living conditions of the animals that should be questioned and turning to a vegetarian diet is an answer for it.
That is just a bull **** excuse by peta-tards and other animal rights loonies. Livestock could be raised the most humane way possible and they would still oppose eating meat.Because if it was just an issue of how the animal was raised many of them would be hunting and fishing for their own meat or buying excess from hunters or they would be buying from farms that meet those "cruelty free" standards instead of just giving up on meat entirely.
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