Screw the torture allegations.
Bush and his administration lied about Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction. It was all a lie, and they knew it. They knew there was nothing there. And that's what Bush and his entire administration should be held accountable for.
Screw the torture allegations.
Bush and his administration lied about Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction. It was all a lie, and they knew it. They knew there was nothing there. And that's what Bush and his entire administration should be held accountable for.
Do you know and understand that world leaders everywhere believed Saddam Hussein to have WMD and it was Saddam's responsibility to demonstrate he didn't?
Perhaps if you repeat a lie often enough it will eventually become the truth. This is not the first time it's happened.
quick refresher for everyone... Saddam was saying he had WMDs. He had used them on the Kurds in the past. Why should Bush et al be punished for believing him?
I understand that the tough issues are difficult for you - and so maybe it is for the best that you run away from them.While I won't indulge your philosophical speculations, I'll gladly answer the relevant question. Did Bush propagate a policy of torture, and thereby commit a war crime? Yes, by his own admission he did.
It's the same principle. It's the difference between assault and boxing. Or between rape and sex. Take your pick.
Please explain to me how you don't get the analogy. It seems like it is going over your head, and I would like to help you understand it.
An act is only torture when it is performed without the consent of the person the act is performed on. In one case, we're talking about forcible waterboarding of a victim being the war crime of torture. In another case we're talking about the consented to waterboarding of military trainees as part of a training exercise. The difference is a stark as day and night whether you want to admit it or not.
quick refresher for everyone... Saddam was saying he had WMDs. He had used them on the Kurds in the past. Why should Bush et al be punished for believing him?
You know why we waterboard some of our troops as part of their training?It's the same principle. It's the difference between assault and boxing. Or between rape and sex. Take your pick.
Please explain to me how you don't get the analogy. It seems like it is going over your head, and I would like to help you understand it.
Yes.
An act is only torture when it is performed without the consent of the person the act is performed on. In one case, we're talking about forcible waterboarding of a victim being the war crime of torture. In another case we're talking about the consented to waterboarding of military trainees as part of a training exercise. The difference is a stark as day and night whether you want to admit it or not.
As for training to resist waterboarding
Do you not think the US military might use mild torture techniques to help its soldiers resist torture from the enemey?
They would not use more violent means of torture as that might of course cause permanent damage, a few broken fingers or toes might prevent the soldiers from fighting
Rev... it's useless... somes peepels yew jus kai't edj-u-kate.Lied is a strong word. If he lied so did ALL of these folks.
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0 - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)
I don't think any of us who have been through SERE would agree with you that it was mild. :shrug:
You know why I sleep in the garage? Because sleeping in a garage makes me a car. Only cars sleep in garages.You know why we waterboard some of our troops as part of their training?
Because it is not torture.
We do not torture our troops.
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I agree that it is absurd to suggest that water-boarding as a training technique is in any way mild. It is severe, and it is this sort of training that makes our military the best in the world. But this is something categorically different from torture, and does not negate the fact that water-boarding on unwilling victims is a war crime.
You know why I sleep in the garage? Because sleeping in a garage makes me a car. Only cars sleep in garages.
I don't think any of us who have been through SERE would agree with you that it was mild. :shrug:
And none of -that- negates that the fact that, sometimes, it is the correct course of action.But, while it might be a tortuous experience, it is something categorically different from the war crime torture, and does not negate the fact that water-boarding on unwilling victims is a war crime.
Right and they did that so you would be more resistant to enemy torture correct?
I agree that it is absurd to suggest that water-boarding as a training technique is in any way mild. It is severe, and it is this sort of training that makes our military the best in the world. But this is something categorically different from torture, and does not negate the fact that water-boarding on unwilling victims is a war crime.
You know why we waterboard some of our troops as part of their training?
Because it is not torture.
We do not torture our troops.
This the most bizarre logic... in fact it's not logic because it's not logical.
We commit war crimes against our troops.
Phew.
Waterboarding isn't torture, that is why we can expose our troops to it.
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I am a Kenworth, pullin' logs.What kind of car are you? The Good Reverend is a monster truck....
I just love being told 20 years later I had a "safe word".... :shrug:
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