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America's Christian Heritage

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Here recently a couple of posters seem to be of the opinionthat America does not have much of a Christian history or that our Foundersweren’t Christian, etc.

But our Founding Fathers were Christian.


And while the Constitution may be the foundation for thiscountry’s government, Christianity is the foundation of this country as ourFounding Fathers believed that the basis of freedom and liberty was religionand morality.

John Adams
“Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religionand morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which Freedom cansecurely stand.”
- Letter of June 21, 1776

Benjamin Rush
“The only foundation for…a republic is to be laid in religion. Without thisthere can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and libertyis the object and life of all republican governments.”

“…Christianity is the only true and perfect religion; and that in proportion asmankind adopt its principles and obey its precepts they will be wise andhappy.”
- Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical, 1798

Samuel Adams
“Religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty andhappiness.”
- Letter to John Trumbell, October 16, 1778

Charles Carroll (signer of the Declaration)
“Without morals, a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they, therefore,who are decrying the Christian religion…are undermining the solid foundation ofmorals, the best security for the duration of free government.”
- Letter to James Mettenry, November 4, 1800

“The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality,and religion. This is the armor…and this alone, that renders us invincible.”
- Letter to Archibald Blair, January 8, 1799

Now I don't know if Benjamin Franklin was a Christian. I don't think he was.But he definitely believed in God.

Benjamin Franklin
“…only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt andvicious, they have more need of masters.”
- Letter to Messrs. The Abbes Chalut and Arnaud, April 17, 1787

Noah Webster
“…the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to formthe basis of all our civil constitutions and laws…
All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition,injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising orneglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”
- History of the United States,1833

John Adams
“We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passionsunbridled by morality and religion…
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequateto the government of any other.”
- Address to the Officers of the Massachusetts Militia, 1798

Daniel Webster
“To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests onreligion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When thepublic mind becomes corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are a wastepaper.”
- Oration at Hanover, N.H., July 4, 1800

George Washington
“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claimthe tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars ofhuman happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. Themere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherishthem. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and publicfelicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, forreputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oathswhich are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let uswith caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained withoutreligion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education onminds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expectthat national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
- Farewell Address, 1796

James Wilson (signed U.S. Constitution and Supreme CourtJustice)
“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that lawwhich is Divine…
Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friendsand mutual assistants.”

But even aside from what our Founding Fathers had to say, the early days of ournation was one clearly dominated by Christianity. Alexis De Tocqueville was aFrenchman who came to this country and wrote a two volume literary piece calledDemocracy and America.As an independent source, these were some of his observations…

Alexis De Tocqueville
“The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and liberty so intimately intheir minds that it is impossible to make them conceive one without the other.”

“The religious atmosphere of the country was the first thing that struck meupon my arrival in the U.S.In France,I had seen the spirits of religion and freedom almost always marching inopposite directions, in America,I found them intimately linked together and joined and reigned over the sameland…”

“Religion should therefore be considered as the first of their politicalinstitutions. From the start, politics and religion have agreed and have notsince ceased to do so.”
- Democracy and America

So tightly knit was Christianity tied to this idea of Liberty that Isaiah 33:22was the justification for the three separate but equal branches of government.

Isaiah 33:22
“For the LORD is our judge, (judicial branch)
The LORD is our lawgiver, (legislative branch)
The LORD is our king…” (executive branch)

And please note our own Declaration of Independence…

The Declaration of Independence
“W hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people todissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and toassume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to whichthe Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to theopinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impelthem to the separation.”

The term “the law of nature” was a very specific term coined by Sir EdwardCoke…

Sir Edward Coke (1552-1634)
“The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature ofman infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law,called the law of nature.”

This same term was later used by William Blackstone who wrote a law textbook.If you were a lawyer, as was Thomas Jefferson, you studied Blackstone.

William Blackstone
“…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary thathe should, in all points, conform to his Maker’s will. This will of his Makeris called the law of nature…This law of nature…dictated by God Himself is, ofcourse, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe,in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity incontrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and alltheir authority…from this original.”

“Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation,depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered tocontradict these.”
- Commentaries on the Law (A lawtextbook / 2,500 copies sold in Americaprior to the Revolutionary War)


Part I of IV
 
Part II of IV

The Declaration of Independence
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

“Creator” is a very specific name for the Christian God of the Bible as evidenced by the following verses:

Genesis 14:19
and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.

Genesis 14:22
But Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, and have taken an oath

Deuteronomy 32:6
Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

Ecclesiastes 11:7
[Remember Your Creator While Young ] Light is sweet, and it pleases the eyes to see the sun.

Ecclesiastes 12:1
Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of trouble come and the years approach when you will say, "I find no pleasure in them"-

Isaiah 27:11
When its twigs are dry, they are broken off and women come and make fires with them. For this is a people without understanding; so their Maker has no compassion on them, and their Creator shows them no favor.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

Isaiah 43:15
I am the LORD, your Holy One, Israel's Creator, your King."

Matthew 19:4
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

1 Peter 4:19
So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

The idea that the Christian God of the Bible was their “Creator” would not have been lost on the Founding Fathers.
 
Part III of IV

Our Founding Father sought to ensure that it was Christian influence that was passed down through generations as they viewed it as critical to the survival of this country they were founding, as the above quotes clearly illustrate.

And they sought to accomplish this through teaching our children the importance of religion and morality…

Gouverneur Morris
“Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God”.
- Life of Gouverneur Morris, Vol. III.

Samuel Adams
“Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, or inculcating in their own minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity…in short of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”
- Letter to John Adams, October 4, 1790

Benjamin Rush
“In contemplating the political institutions of the United States, I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them. We profess to be republicans and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government. That is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible.”
- A Defense of the Use of the Bible as a School Book, 1798

Northwest Ordinance, Article III
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
- July 13, 1787 (If a territory wanted to become a state, it had to meet these requirements.)

Noah Webster
“In my view, the Christian Religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed…no truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian Religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”
- Reply to David McClure, October 25, 1836

This has always been a Christian nation and Christianity is, in fact, the foundation for this country.

The Founding Fathers thought it necessary to educate their children in religion and morality. A first-grader at that time would have used text called the New England Primer (approximately 5,000,000 copies in print in America for a population of approximately 4,000,000 people if I recall correctly. It was the second most popular book in the colonies at the time. Only the Bible sold more copies).

An excerpt from the New England Primer…

“Q. How did Christ being the Son of God become man ?

A. Christ the Son of God became man by taking to himself a true body and a resonable soul, being conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the virgin Mary, and born of her, and yet without sin.”

The New England Primer

This…from a first-grader…
 
Part IV of IV

From the Declaration of Independence, an unmistakable reference of a "Creator":

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness…”

The Preamble to the US Constitution makes no reference to God or a Creator but does include reference to 'blessings of Liberty' which some believe is in deference to the accepted belief of the Founders that unalienable rights are God given:

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

And the States were not shy at all in including reference to God or a Creator in their various Constitutions with dates of adoption that span more than 200 years:

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ...

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ...

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom ..

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence= for the Supreme Ruler of Universe ..

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences ..

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution ..

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings .

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors..

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges ... establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction ...

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom . establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .establish this Constitution ...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ...

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution .

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience..

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors ...

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings ...

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those .

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common .

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty . establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences ...
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly= invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution ...

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God ...

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this
Constitution ..

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason . and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility ..

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution.

Despite all that, the genius of the Constitution is demonstrated in the fact that the people have been and can be as religious as they please and no theocracy has ever been developed to threaten the foundations of our Republic.

It is right and proper that I credit Del Tackett for my efforts here.
 
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli signed by George Washington
 
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli signed by George Washington

Who is proposing that the US was founded as a theocracy?
 
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli signed by George Washington
Who is proposing that the US was founded as a theocracy?


He doesn't say that the country is a Christian theocracy man, but Christianity is a key element of western society and civilization as we know it, as well as civil and humanitarian progress.

I approve of secularism and welcome it. It is what we need. But that doesn't mean we can deny or reject the fact that Christianity has been a cornerstone in our society and a good influence at that.
 
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli signed by George Washington

Actually it was signed by John Adams and it was to stop Barbary Pirates. It was very important to the Muslims that we were not a Christian nation in the sense that they would have understood it. America is not--nor has it ever been--a theocracy in the same way that many Muslim nations are theocracies.
 
It's pathetic how many people actually believe that the majority of our Founders weren't religious. Where is this crap education coming from?
 
IMHO America was founded by people who were Christians ad applied a great deal of their beliefs to the establishment of the Republic. So, initially, I think we were a "Christian Nation". Time, and the accompanying societal change has mostly eliminated the "Theocratic" element.

There are occasionally efforts by some owners to inject a "Christian Element" into the laws of our modern-day society. However, most of the people are crackpots rather than true believers.
 
So, where did all those moral christian founders stand on slavery?
 
So, where did all those moral christian founders stand on slavery?

Considering it was a black man who started slavery in the colonies...

Anthony Johnson (colonist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think pretty much people just assumed it to be business as usual.

Slavery was unofficially established in Virginia in 1655, when Johnson convinced a court that his servant John Casor (also a black man), was his for life.[11] Johnson himself had been brought to Virginia some years earlier as an indentured servant but he had saved enough money to buy out the remainder of his contract and that of his wife. The court ruling in Johnson’s favor resulted in Casor becoming the first state-recognized slave in the Colony of Virginia. Slavery in Virginia was officially enacted in state law in 1661.

It is however a reality that in the mainland UK and France and Spain (the big three colonial empires), slavery had been abolished for a quite a long time. In the colonies however, it is a whole different story. The colonies had quite a lot of independence.

Also, the first document that established how the federal government functioned in the new Confederacy, after the independence, was pretty inefficient and had little power to make a difference.
 
Considering it was a black man who started slavery in the colonies...

Anthony Johnson (colonist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think pretty much people just assumed it to be business as usual.



It is however a reality that in the mainland UK and France and Spain (the big three colonial empires), slavery had been abolished for a quite a long time. In the colonies however, it is a whole different story. The colonies had quite a lot of independence.

Also, the first document that established how the federal government functioned in the new Confederacy, after the independence, was pretty inefficient and had little power to make a difference.

What are you talking about, you just made most of that up...just yanked it out of your orifice and smeared it on your screen.

Most slavery in the western world wasn't abolished until well into the 19th century.
 
What are you talking about, you just made most of that up...just yanked it out of your orifice and smeared it on your screen.

Most slavery in the western world wasn't abolished until well into the 19th century.

Yes... it was.

In France, from the XIVth century, there was no slavery on mainland France. "France means Freedom!" was the cry of Louis X. Every slave that reaches our shores will be freed!

The Magna Carta in England signified the end of slavery in continental Britain.

Most European nations followed shortly after.

Hell even the Papacy in the XVIth century abolished slavery in the Americas! Ofc, that was short lived since slave trader influences softened the laws in just 20 years time. A very interesting thing you know...

So no. Slavery was a big no no in most of continental Europe.

Colonies are different, they played by their own rules mostly.

And of course, the big one when in the XVIIIth and XIXth century, European nations because of their influence in the world managed to abolish slavery on a world scale. Well, wherever they had any influence.
 
What are you talking about, you just made most of that up...just yanked it out of your orifice and smeared it on your screen.

Most slavery in the western world wasn't abolished until well into the 19th century.

Slavery is still legal in the United States
 
Yes... it was.

In France, from the XIVth century, there was no slavery on mainland France. "France means Freedom!" was the cry of Louis X. Every slave that reaches our shores will be freed!

The Magna Carta in England signified the end of slavery in continental Britain.

Most European nations followed shortly after.

Hell even the Papacy in the XVIth century abolished slavery in the Americas! Ofc, that was short lived since slave trader influences softened the laws in just 20 years time. A very interesting thing you know...

So no. Slavery was a big no no in most of continental Europe.

Colonies are different, they played by their own rules mostly.

And of course, the big one when in the XVIIIth and XIXth century, European nations because of their influence in the world managed to abolish slavery on a world scale. Well, wherever they had any influence.

You're just talking out of your ass and I'm getting tired of it. I'm not even going to spend the time to rebut you, however, here is a good wiki link to the reality of slavery in Britian all the way up until the 20th century.

Slavery in the British Isles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure as a christian you'll love these tidbits...

"The Church of England was implicated in slavery. Slaves were owned by the Anglican Church's Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts (SPGFP), which had sugar plantations in the West Indies. When slaves were emancipated by Act of the British Parliament in 1834, the British government paid compensation to slave owners. Among those they paid were the Bishop of Exeter and three business colleagues, who received compensation for 665 slaves.[29]

A member of the House of Commons and a supporter of the Tory government, William Wilberforce became intrinsically involved in the abolition of slave trade in the Britain. His conversion to Evangelical Christianity in 1784 played a key role in interesting him in this social reform.[30] William Wilberforce’s Slave Trade Act 1807 abolished the slave trade in the British Empire. It was not until the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 that the institution finally was abolished."
 
It's not that people don't think that America doesn't have a history of Christianity.

Rather, it's just that people don't feel bound to abide it when making policy.
 
Yes... it was.

In France, from the XIVth century, there was no slavery on mainland France. "France means Freedom!" was the cry of Louis X. Every slave that reaches our shores will be freed!

The Magna Carta in England signified the end of slavery in continental Britain.

Most European nations followed shortly after.

Hell even the Papacy in the XVIth century abolished slavery in the Americas! Ofc, that was short lived since slave trader influences softened the laws in just 20 years time. A very interesting thing you know...

So no. Slavery was a big no no in most of continental Europe.

Colonies are different, they played by their own rules mostly.

And of course, the big one when in the XVIIIth and XIXth century, European nations because of their influence in the world managed to abolish slavery on a world scale. Well, wherever they had any influence.


no because of industrial revolution!
 
Christians don't own slaves.

Perhaps you should have said true Christians don't own slaves. You had quite a lot of self-proclaimed Christians in the south that owned slaves way back when. They were good Sunday go to meeting types.
 
Perhaps you should have said true Christians don't own slaves. You had quite a lot of self-proclaimed Christians in the south that owned slaves way back when. They were good Sunday go to meeting types.


Including most of our Founding Fathers. Some, like Jefferson, liked a little jungle booty strange as well.
 
Perhaps you should have said true Christians don't own slaves. You had quite a lot of self-proclaimed Christians in the south that owned slaves way back when. They were good Sunday go to meeting types.

Perhaps you should have said slavery was pervasive around the country. Good evening pero...
 
Well, not lately. Thanks to the Constitution.

They never did thanks to the teachings if Jesus. The command of treat others as you want to be treated was clear 2000 years ago.
 
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