Americans 34 times more interested in buying guns than Obamacare

[cpwill]

:lol: H/T Zero Hedge

 

[ChezC3]

Well this is obvious, we need guns...

 

[Medusa]

l am shocked

 

[Manc Skipper]

Gun-nuttery is rampant, with a well established history. Next?

 

[Tigger]

l am shocked

Why? The NICS system, even though I don't care for it, is relatively efficient and effective. Within 3 business days you get a Yes or No answer on the sale and if approved you immediately take possession of an object that can save your life much more often than any form of Socialized medicine, and do so without the need for any additional approval from the Government or any other agency before doing so.

 

[Tigger]

Well this is obvious, we need guns...

Much moreso than we need a Socialized/National Healthcare system.

 

[instagramsci]

'Murika.

 

[Medusa]

Why? The NICS system, even though I don't care for it, is relatively efficient and effective. Within 3 business days you get a Yes or No answer on the sale and if approved you immediately take possession of an object that can save your life much more often than any form of Socialized medicine, and do so without the need for any additional approval from the Government or any other agency before doing so.

guns arent candies being distributed to kids or they shouldnt be treated like candies

consider you may need that socialized med in case you are shot by another gun owner who claims to be defending himself

 

[Tigger]

guns arent candies being distributed to kids or they shouldnt be treated like candies.

Actually, to the average, law-abiding citizen, firearms should not be much more regulated than candy is. This nation was built by gun owners who were willing to use those firearms to defend themselves and to advance this nation westward to the Pacific Ocean. We have used them to defend ourselves from threats both foreign and domestic over the centuries. Gun ownership is as intrinsic a concept to the American way of life as free speech and the right to follow whatever religion we choose.

consider you may need that socialized med in case you are shot by another gun owner who claims to be defending himself

Three rules of a gunfight (paraphrased from a former Secret Service agent - Walt Rausch)

1. If you get in a gunfight, expect to get shot.
2. If you do get shot, do not give up and just expect to die.
3. If you are going to die.... Take that mother****er with you.

Besides, most Americans already have healthcare through their EMPLOYERS (not the Government) so it's already covered.

 

[fiki196]

You should be allowed to have one gun for self protection and that's all, the weird part is that America has less and less gun owners while it has more and more guns. And also remember that the US has been a gun nut country far longer than it has had any healthcare system .

Actually, to the average, law-abiding citizen, firearms should not be much more regulated than candy is. This nation was built by gun owners who were willing to use those firearms to defend themselves and to advance this nation westward to the Pacific Ocean. We have used them to defend ourselves from threats both foreign and domestic over the centuries. Gun ownership is as intrinsic a concept to the American way of life as free speech and the right to follow whatever religion we choose.

This is simply not true, it wasn't built by gun owners, and you have used the military to defend yourself against domestic and foreign enemies, no other country in the world seriously believes that citizens are defending the country personally. It's just a no brainier, today's even most primitive military with just some modern weaponry would beat any mass of citizens armed with whatever kind of guns. I mean sure whatever have your gun, just don't make a stockpile like you are getting ready for world war 3 and go nuts one day and decide you want to take out everyone in your neighborhood because they might be a neo nazi. Just sayin.

 

[Medusa]

Actually, to the average, law-abiding citizen, firearms should not be much more regulated than candy is. This nation was built by gun owners who were willing to use those firearms to defend themselves and to advance this nation westward to the Pacific Ocean. We have used them to defend ourselves from threats both foreign and domestic over the centuries. Gun ownership is as intrinsic a concept to the American way of life as free speech and the right to follow whatever religion we choose.





Three rules of a gunfight (paraphrased from a former Secret Service agent - Walt Rausch)

1. If you get in a gunfight, expect to get shot.
2. If you do get shot, do not give up and just expect to die.
3. If you are going to die.... Take that mother****er with you.

Besides, most Americans already have healthcare through their EMPLOYERS (not the Government) so it's already covered.

do you think the other nations were built by candy distributors ? your argument seems extra moronic ,tigger.

if both participants are carrying a gun during that fight ,you are right

but anyone can kill another one who has no gun as far as l see

is america full of gangsters ,burglars,murderers and thats why innocent americans need to own a gun ?

if so l suggest teh government focus on its own local violence rather than export guns to the other countries to guarantee the " peace "

 

[Tigger]

do you think the other nations were built by candy distributors? your argument seems extra moronic, tigger.

No. Most other nations were built by Governments rather than the people of the nation.

if both participants are carrying a gun during that fight, you are right. but anyone can kill another one who has no gun as far as l see

Very true. Now the question is.... How to tell who does and doesn't have a gun? In the United States, almost every state has a Concealed Carry law, which allows licensed gun owners to carry a concealed firearm. This means that the bad people don't know who IS and who ISN'T armed. Thereby making them much more careful about who they do and don't attempt to prey on, lest they accidentally try to mug someone like ME.

is america full of gangsters, burglars, murderers and thats why innocent americans need to own a gun? if so l suggest teh government focus on its own local violence rather than export guns to the other countries to guarantee the " peace "

The entire world is full of criminals and bad people. American civilians have firearms because our law enforcement officers are not REQUIRED to use force to protect and defend us. We have the RIGHT to do that for ourselves. The American violence problems will be fixed by a move back towards Traditional family values and the actual punishment of those who choose to break the law, regardless of their race, religion, etc....

 

[TurtleDude]

You should be allowed to have one gun for self protection and that's all, the weird part is that America has less and less gun owners while it has more and more guns. And also remember that the US has been a gun nut country far longer than it has had any healthcare system .

This is simply not true, it wasn't built by gun owners, and you have used the military to defend yourself against domestic and foreign enemies, no other country in the world seriously believes that citizens are defending the country personally. It's just a no brainier, today's even most primitive military with just some modern weaponry would beat any mass of citizens armed with whatever kind of guns. I mean sure whatever have your gun, just don't make a stockpile like you are getting ready for world war 3 and go nuts one day and decide you want to take out everyone in your neighborhood because they might be a neo nazi. Just sayin.

you should be limted to one comment or post on a political issue. You should be limited to owning one book and attending one church service. You should only be able to raise fourth or fifth amendment challenges to government action once

Your idiotic rants about gun ownership are just that-idiotic

 

[LaMidRighter]

Not surprising. I'm more interested in losing a testicle slowly to frostbite than signing up for Obamacare.

 

[fiki196]

you should be limted to one comment or post on a political issue. You should be limited to owning one book and attending one church service. You should only be able to raise fourth or fifth amendment challenges to government action once

Your idiotic rants about gun ownership are just that-idiotic

When was the last time you saw somebody get killed by a book, are you really telling me that you regard guns the same you would regard any other product? It's like regarding heroin the same way you regard candy.

 

[LaMidRighter]

You should be allowed to have one gun for self protection and that's all, the weird part is that America has less and less gun owners while it has more and more guns. And also remember that the US has been a gun nut country far longer than it has had any healthcare system .

This is simply not true, it wasn't built by gun owners, and you have used the military to defend yourself against domestic and foreign enemies, no other country in the world seriously believes that citizens are defending the country personally. It's just a no brainier, today's even most primitive military with just some modern weaponry would beat any mass of citizens armed with whatever kind of guns. I mean sure whatever have your gun, just don't make a stockpile like you are getting ready for world war 3 and go nuts one day and decide you want to take out everyone in your neighborhood because they might be a neo nazi. Just sayin.

Not your call and never will be. As well, your insistence on sounding like every other gun control advocate to the letter tells me everything I need to know about your level of knowledge on this subject, and it is grossly insufficient for you to proclaim what should and shouldn't be.

 

[fiki196]

Not your call and never will be. As well, your insistence on sounding like every other gun control advocate to the letter tells me everything I need to know about your level of knowledge on this subject, and it is grossly insufficient for you to proclaim what should and shouldn't be.

I already live in a country where you are allowed to have only one gun, and most people don't have any, so I really have no need to try and change anything, and just tell me what extra benefit would you have from owning more than one weapon, are you about to face an invasion of your home by an army? And if I agree with gun control I am suddenly not knowledgeable enough about the subject at hand? Owning let's say 10 guns would not help anyone except the potentially crazy person who might do something hideous. And what is the fear? That it will be a slippery slope and soon you will become a dictatorship and lose all your rights? A bit of an irrational fear, considering that the world today is so well connected and mostly democratic it would be almost impossible to impose something like that in any developed western country.

 

[LaMidRighter]

I already live in a country where you are allowed to have only one gun, and most people don't have any, so I really have no need to try and change anything, and just tell me what extra benefit would you have from owning more than one weapon, are you about to face an invasion of your home by an army? And if I agree with gun control I am suddenly not knowledgeable enough about the subject at hand? Owning let's say 10 guns would not help anyone except the potentially crazy person who might do something hideous. And what is the fear? That it will be a slippery slope and soon you will become a dictatorship and lose all your rights? A bit of an irrational fear, considering that the world today is so well connected and mostly democratic it would be almost impossible to impose something like that in any developed western country.

Ah, well, this isn't your country and it's not your call.

 

[fiki196]

Ah, well, this isn't your country and it's not your call.

Did I say it ever was, I was just talking ideas and ideology.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Did I say it ever was, I was just talking ideas and ideology.

And they are not in play here, nor desired.

 

[FederalRepublic]

You should be allowed to have one gun for self protection and that's all, the weird part is that America has less and less gun owners while it has more and more guns. And also remember that the US has been a gun nut country far longer than it has had any healthcare system .

This is simply not true, it wasn't built by gun owners, and you have used the military to defend yourself against domestic and foreign enemies, no other country in the world seriously believes that citizens are defending the country personally. It's just a no brainier, today's even most primitive military with just some modern weaponry would beat any mass of citizens armed with whatever kind of guns. I mean sure whatever have your gun, just don't make a stockpile like you are getting ready for world war 3 and go nuts one day and decide you want to take out everyone in your neighborhood because they might be a neo nazi. Just sayin.

It simply is true. The American Revolution was won by regular people who had guns and used them to defend themselves. Cops carry guns every day and use them to defend themselves frequently. It's just a no-brainer. Being defenseless sucks.

 

[FederalRepublic]

I already live in a country where you are allowed to have only one gun, and most people don't have any, so I really have no need to try and change anything, and just tell me what extra benefit would you have from owning more than one weapon, are you about to face an invasion of your home by an army? And if I agree with gun control I am suddenly not knowledgeable enough about the subject at hand? Owning let's say 10 guns would not help anyone except the potentially crazy person who might do something hideous. And what is the fear? That it will be a slippery slope and soon you will become a dictatorship and lose all your rights? A bit of an irrational fear, considering that the world today is so well connected and mostly democratic it would be almost impossible to impose something like that in any developed western country.

You own more than one weapon because different weapons serve different purposes. Further, your neighbor might be a helpless twit who didn't think he needed a weapon and you might need his help.

 

[blackjack50]

You should be allowed to have one gun for self protection and that's all, the weird part is that America has less and less gun owners while it has more and more guns. And also remember that the US has been a gun nut country far longer than it has had any healthcare system .

This is simply not true, it wasn't built by gun owners, and you have used the military to defend yourself against domestic and foreign enemies, no other country in the world seriously believes that citizens are defending the country personally. It's just a no brainier, today's even most primitive military with just some modern weaponry would beat any mass of citizens armed with whatever kind of guns. I mean sure whatever have your gun, just don't make a stockpile like you are getting ready for world war 3 and go nuts one day and decide you want to take out everyone in your neighborhood because they might be a neo nazi. Just sayin.

Where to start where to start. Sigh.

1) Why should we be allowed to have "1" gun. What the hell does that matter? I can only use 1 at a time anyway.

2) What about my hunting weapons? You now want to encroach upon a sport of which I participate in? Well how the hell can I decide what gun to use? My 870 isn't a deer rifle. It is a bird killer. Though it might "do the trick" now you are encroaching on my pest control weapons too. An 870 is overkill for squirrel, rat, snakes, and such. And then consider that self defense from what? A bear? Or an armed human? Because a .44 mag isn't going to be my choice in a gun fight. If you think one can just "use any old gun" for "any old situation," you have played too much Call of Battlefield.

3) You say "gun nut" like it is a bad thing. What are you going to do if someone tried kicking in your door at night?

4) How are you going to implement this policy of 1 gun? You don't know how many guns I own. Are you going to start a registry? Then confiscate my guns? lol. Good luck. And don't worry. Us gun owners won't be duped by registries. We know they are for confiscation.

And then you must encroach on the 4th amendment in order to confiscate my firearms. Of course it won't be gun control advocates getting shot over that. Just cops who have to deal with people who were turned into criminal by your ridiculous proposition.

5) Yes. This country was built by gun owners. Or are you suggesting that our frontiersmen didn't go west with loaded weapons? Do you really think they were that stupid? Hell the founders owned guns too.

6) Our military was not without officers purchasing arms for their men (see civil war and cavalry as well), but the military was still armed with guns.

7) Civilians kill criminals every day. I would call that a domestic enemy. But let's look in places like Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan. Did we fight a military? Or were they civilians? This country is fortunate that nobody is big or bad enough to take us on. Our civilians likely won't face an armed incursion any time soon. But our "civilian mass" is armed with the equivalent firearms of any police force. At least till someone tries to forcefully disarm us.

8) And of course the last little liberal meme that has permeated through from the media.

People don't snap. They don't go crazy at the drop of a hat. That is straight from the American psychiatric association . Maybe if our politicians and people like you spent more time worrying about our complete lapse in understanding mental health...instead of how many guns are locked away in my house...we might actually make some headway on mass shooters.

 

[blackjack50]

It simply is true. The American Revolution was won by regular people who had guns and used them to defend themselves. Cops carry guns every day and use them to defend themselves frequently. It's just a no-brainer. Being defenseless sucks.

A lot of boondocks departments tell their cops to buy a certain gun and they go buy their service weapon from a civilian market. And they wait 3 days like the rest of the non concealed carry holders. lol.

 

[fiki196]

1) Why should we be allowed to have "1" gun. What the hell does that matter? I can only use 1 at a time anyway.

Let's put that in reverse, why would you need more than one gun if you can only use one at a time.

What about my hunting weapons? You now want to encroach upon a sport of which I participate in? Well how the hell can I decide what gun to use? My 870 isn't a deer rifle. It is a bird killer. Though it might "do the trick" now you are encroaching on my pest control weapons too. An 870 is overkill for squirrel, rat, snakes, and such. And then consider that self defense from what? A bear? Or an armed human? Because a .44 mag isn't going to be my choice in a gun fight. If you think one can just "use any old gun" for "any old situation," you have played too much Call of Battlefield.

Hunting weapons are different and most people who own guns don't go hunting often,so it really is a separate case. A hunter can have weapons meant for hunting, and besides most hunting weapons wouldn't be practical in any dangerous situation,like a school shooting, since they are pretty large and hard to conceal.

How are you going to implement this policy of 1 gun? You don't know how many guns I own. Are you going to start a registry? Then confiscate my guns? lol. Good luck. And don't worry. Us gun owners won't be duped by registries. We know they are for confiscation.

Yer registering would be a good way,at least make it so that new owners of guns don't go shopping and buy 10 guns at once. Confiscation is a solution, and anyone that has an armory should probably be examined mentally as well, why does he feel this way and if he potentially has some sort of paranoia or irrational phobia.

Yes. This country was built by gun owners. Or are you suggesting that our frontiersmen didn't go west with loaded weapons? Do you really think they were that stupid? Hell the founders owned guns too.

Really why doesn't anybody make a difference between the military and civilians, besides it was a very different time, today any major war will not be won with guns, that's certain.

People don't snap. They don't go crazy at the drop of a hat.

This is true,my issue is that crazy people can buy guns far too easily today, and I would like more mental health examinations to take place and help those people. The difference is that a crazy man with no gun is very unlikely to cause any death, or even with 1 pistol will hardly be able to do what somebody with a lot more of them could or bigger weapons.

And I don't understand this enemy America is fighting all the time, most European countries are doing quite well without any guns and I don't see anybody conquering them. Also if it were true more security would be present if more people had guns, the the US should be safe as hell when it clearly isn't if you look at any of the statistics. You are presenting a system which is plausible in an anarchy,where there is no rule of law and nobody to protect any of your rights, and I understand that many are worried about precisely that, but a gun will not help you in today's society solve that in any meaningful way, if say the government has gone crazy and would like to force you to do something, do you really believe that you with a measly gun can stop a well armed police. If you think that America is as armed as a police in some country, you have never seen any special police forces, they could easily take out any number of well armed civilians. So don't think that gun will help you against anything more than a street punk.