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OK, I am putting this post in this sub-forum because I have a Constitutional question regarding it.
According to the Constitution, the US Govt. is ordered to enumerate the population every 10 years.
OK, I dont mind being counted by the government every 10 years, it serves many purposes to do so, representation is one of them.
I do, however, have an issue with the American Community Survey. I was one of the lucky ones randomly chosen to "participate" in the survey.
The letter I received 2 weeks ago said it was the address that was chosen and not the people inside it but that I had to complete the survey under penalty of law.
OK...so reading through this I am stunned at the questions they are asking. They are extremely personal and have nothing to do with anything the government needs to know.
Paraphrasing for typing purposes;
What kind of electronics do you have?
How many people use these devices?
What was last months electric bill?
Do you own or rent?
Whom do you pay your mortgage / rent to?
How much is your monthly payment?
Does it include property taxes?
Whats the cost of your personal property?
Personal questions for every person in the home;
Do you have health insurance?
Does this person have mental , physical or emotional problems?
Does this person work?
What time do they leave?
Where is your work? (Physical Address)
Bosses name? Phone number?
Did this person miss any time from work in the last week?
What is this persons income? Weekly, monthly & yearly
How many times has this person been married?
What was your marriage date?
Does this person have grandchildren?
I will oblige the Federal Imperial Government and complete the survey, But I assure you they will not like the answers I give.
My question here is;
We are obligated by the Constitution to allow counting for Census taking purposes every 10 years, but what Constitutional power allows the government to do this when they wish to? After all, the last census was in 2010, only 3 years ago.
OK, I am putting this post in this sub-forum because I have a Constitutional question regarding it.
According to the Constitution, the US Govt. is ordered to enumerate the population every 10 years.
OK, I dont mind being counted by the government every 10 years, it serves many purposes to do so, representation is one of them.
I do, however, have an issue with the American Community Survey. I was one of the lucky ones randomly chosen to "participate" in the survey.
The letter I received 2 weeks ago said it was the address that was chosen and not the people inside it but that I had to complete the survey under penalty of law.
OK...so reading through this I am stunned at the questions they are asking. They are extremely personal and have nothing to do with anything the government needs to know.
Paraphrasing for typing purposes;
What kind of electronics do you have?
How many people use these devices?
What was last months electric bill?
Do you own or rent?
Whom do you pay your mortgage / rent to?
How much is your monthly payment?
Does it include property taxes?
Whats the cost of your personal property?
Personal questions for every person in the home;
Do you have health insurance?
Does this person have mental , physical or emotional problems?
Does this person work?
What time do they leave?
Where is your work? (Physical Address)
Bosses name? Phone number?
Did this person miss any time from work in the last week?
What is this persons income? Weekly, monthly & yearly
How many times has this person been married?
What was your marriage date?
Does this person have grandchildren?
I will oblige the Federal Imperial Government and complete the survey, But I assure you they will not like the answers I give.
My question here is;
We are obligated by the Constitution to allow counting for Census taking purposes every 10 years, but what Constitutional power allows the government to do this when they wish to? After all, the last census was in 2010, only 3 years ago.
Have you thought about ignoring it? Thats how I handle these things. Is there something on there that threatens you if you don't do this?
Just type out a little note that says something to the effect of "Please contact the NSA. They probably have better information on this stuff than I do." and mail it back.
OK, I am putting this post in this sub-forum because I have a Constitutional question regarding it.
According to the Constitution, the US Govt. is ordered to enumerate the population every 10 years.
OK, I dont mind being counted by the government every 10 years, it serves many purposes to do so, representation is one of them.
I do, however, have an issue with the American Community Survey. I was one of the lucky ones randomly chosen to "participate" in the survey.
The letter I received 2 weeks ago said it was the address that was chosen and not the people inside it but that I had to complete the survey under penalty of law.
OK...so reading through this I am stunned at the questions they are asking. They are extremely personal and have nothing to do with anything the government needs to know.
Paraphrasing for typing purposes;
What kind of electronics do you have?
How many people use these devices?
What was last months electric bill?
Do you own or rent?
Whom do you pay your mortgage / rent to?
How much is your monthly payment?
Does it include property taxes?
Whats the cost of your personal property?
Personal questions for every person in the home;
Do you have health insurance?
Does this person have mental , physical or emotional problems?
Does this person work?
What time do they leave?
Where is your work? (Physical Address)
Bosses name? Phone number?
Did this person miss any time from work in the last week?
What is this persons income? Weekly, monthly & yearly
How many times has this person been married?
What was your marriage date?
Does this person have grandchildren?
I will oblige the Federal Imperial Government and complete the survey, But I assure you they will not like the answers I give.
My question here is;
We are obligated by the Constitution to allow counting for Census taking purposes every 10 years, but what Constitutional power allows the government to do this when they wish to? After all, the last census was in 2010, only 3 years ago.
The Department of Commerce has stated that those who receive a survey form are legally obligated to answer all the questions as accurately as possible. Those who decline to complete the survey may receive follow-up phone calls and/or visits to their homes from Census Bureau personnel. Section 221 of Title 13 U.S.C., makes it a misdemeanor to refuse or willfully neglect to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers and imposes a fine of not more than $100. This fine was changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000. The Census Bureau prefers to gain cooperation by convincing respondents of the importance of participation. To date, no person has ever been charged with a crime for refusing to answer the ACS.
The law (fines and imprisonment).
If I were at a different point in my life I would dare them to prosecute and I would fight it tooth and nail, but as it is I have younger children and they definitely need their dad around paying attention to them & caring for them rather than fighting the Federal Imperial Government.
OK, I am putting this post in this sub-forum because I have a Constitutional question regarding it.
According to the Constitution, the US Govt. is ordered to enumerate the population every 10 years.
OK, I dont mind being counted by the government every 10 years, it serves many purposes to do so, representation is one of them.
I do, however, have an issue with the American Community Survey. I was one of the lucky ones randomly chosen to "participate" in the survey.
The letter I received 2 weeks ago said it was the address that was chosen and not the people inside it but that I had to complete the survey under penalty of law.
OK...so reading through this I am stunned at the questions they are asking. They are extremely personal and have nothing to do with anything the government needs to know.
Paraphrasing for typing purposes;
What kind of electronics do you have?
How many people use these devices?
What was last months electric bill?
Do you own or rent?
Whom do you pay your mortgage / rent to?
How much is your monthly payment?
Does it include property taxes?
Whats the cost of your personal property?
Personal questions for every person in the home;
Do you have health insurance?
Does this person have mental , physical or emotional problems?
Does this person work?
What time do they leave?
Where is your work? (Physical Address)
Bosses name? Phone number?
Did this person miss any time from work in the last week?
What is this persons income? Weekly, monthly & yearly
How many times has this person been married?
What was your marriage date?
Does this person have grandchildren?
I will oblige the Federal Imperial Government and complete the survey, But I assure you they will not like the answers I give.
My question here is;
We are obligated by the Constitution to allow counting for Census taking purposes every 10 years, but what Constitutional power allows the government to do this when they wish to? After all, the last census was in 2010, only 3 years ago.
Are you saying that the document states it is mandatory? What is the wording? Even America should not have fallen so low as to demand this degree of intimate information.
I would not advise you to break the law but I get a lot of Medicare surveys that I have ignored and while they send reminders, ignoring them has yet to get me arrestedbut I'm unfamiliar with this survey.
Yes, it did say that completion of the survey is mandatory. The notification letter did not give statute but it did say it must be completed under penalty of law.
One clarification...the survey does NOT ask for boss' name or phone number....it asks for employer and work address.
And keep in mind that NONE of this information can be associated or linked with an individual....everything is extremely protected.
As for use of the information: Questions on the form and why we ask – About the Survey – American Community Survey – U.S. Census Bureau
Well, I won't put up with that. Shall we make a last stand? I'm with you, I'll bring my stun-gun and 3 ninja cats.
Are you sure the USG sent this and not a scammer? That's pretty intense info they are asking for and I've never heard of this before.
Are you saying that the document states it is mandatory? What is the wording? Even America should not have fallen so low as to demand this degree of intimate information.
I would not advise you to break the law but I get a lot of Medicare surveys that I have ignored and while they send reminders, ignoring them has yet to get me arrestedbut I'm unfamiliar with this survey.
The survey is indeed mandatory and you are compelled by law to fill it out if sent to you. The fine maximum is $5,000, though no one to date has been fined for refusal. It's part of the Census authority, though I doubt it's at all constitutional as it does not fall during the census period allowed by Constitution.
Here's my advice: fill it out but give them bad data. That's how I treat online advertisers and why I keep getting junkmail that thinks I'm a 45 year old trisexual with no job, five cars and 12 kids.
The survey is indeed mandatory and you are compelled by law to fill it out if sent to you. The fine maximum is $5,000, though no one to date has been fined for refusal. It's part of the Census authority, though I doubt it's at all constitutional as it does not fall during the census period allowed by Constitution.
Here's my advice: fill it out but give them bad data. That's how I treat online advertisers and why I keep getting junkmail that thinks I'm a 45 year old trisexual with no job, five cars and 12 kids.
No, it looks like it wants the name of the company, especially since it says "Name of company, business, or other employer."You are incorrect and correct...It asked for address not phone # of the employer...they want my phone number.
question # 42 of the personal information;
For Whom did this person work? That looks like it wants to know your employer / boss' name doesnt it?
Because once it's collected, the info is seperated out and all the personal info is put in a seperate file with extremely limited access and justification required for access. The rest of the answers are aggregated into statistical data and anything the could actually identify an individual is edited out.How can it NOT be able to be associated to a specific person when it asks for your full name, birth date, race, and contact phone number?
No, it looks like it wants the name of the company, especially since it says "Name of company, business, or other employer."
Because once it's collected, the info is seperated out and all the personal info is put in a seperate file with extremely limited access and justification required for access. The rest of the answers are aggregated into statistical data and anything the could actually identify an individual is edited out.
I just received a notice telling me I had an ACS coming and that I was required by law to fill it out. I called the provided number and told them not to bother and that they did not have the constitutional authority to pull crap like this. I told them that if I needed to be the test case, bring it on, I'm not that busy right now. Also told them that they know they're full of hot air as no one who has refused has been fined or prosecuted.
They asked for the ACS number on the form and now we'll see. If I receive the form it will find a quick home in the circular file. Btw, they didn't even ask for my name.
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