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America should pull out of the Middle East. That is not our land.

but what countries did we invade???????being in allied countries or is joint operations there does not back your point,by your same logic we have the right to attack canada because they have soldiers and ships in america for training and joint operations.
Yes, their governments over there asked for us to be there. But their people had no choice in the matter. Their people have declared war on us.

Let me explain this to you more plainly: as long as we are over there, the people who don't want us there, will keep bombing us and waging asymmetrical warfare against us. We have no reason to be there. None at all. We should leave.

On a side note, we invaded Iraq a second time not for al Qaeda or WMD's, but because Saddam started to sell oil in Euros instead of dollars.
 
You mean you'd rather cooperate with "Let me stop your gas that goes through my country in the peak of winter so as you can freeze" Russia?

If "people" do not consider the USA to be their friends, then Dardanians and Albanians aren't among such "people." I am not sure the present regime in Iraq is any different from the times of Saddam.
Sry of my bad english.
We consider the USA to be our friends.
But the friendship was much better before the iraq war.

And yes, just take a look where the old federal cancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schröder, works today. He works for Gazprom and is a good friend of Putin.
Russia offered that gas and petrol what Germany and France tried to loose in not fighting against iraq.
 
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And yes, just take a look where the old federal cancellor Gerhard Schröder works today. He works for Gazprom and is a good friend of Putin.

Is he a good friend of most German people too though?
 
And yes, just take a look where the old federal cancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schröder, works today. He works for Gazprom and is a good friend of Putin.
Russia offered that gas and petrol what Germany and France tried to loose in not fighting against iraq.

So in hindsight, you don't feel he may have had a conflict of interest?
 
Well, it's not their country. It's our country, as world citizens we all have a responsibility to try and make it better place. What is to improve if the US leaves. Will it become a succes story like Egypte or Syria. Would it solve any of their problems? Doubt it.
 
but what countries did we invade???????being in allied countries or is joint operations there does not back your point,by your same logic we have the right to attack canada because they have soldiers and ships in america for training and joint operations.
In the minds of the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc? None.

In the minds of the citizens there? To them, we invaded Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, a whole HOST of countries.

Americans elected their leaders democratically, and those leaders let Canadian troops come around here. We haven't risen up in protest, a fairly credible sign that the American people accept Canadian troops here.

The people of Yemen and other nations did not approve of what their leaders did. The problem over there is that they aren't very democratic. Israel has a score of 7.53 which is only MODERATELY democratic. This means that in just about all issues, the government crams stuff down their people's throats - including Americans coming over there and ****ing with them.
Democracy in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco and Bahrain are partial (Constitutional) monarchies.

My point here is that the people we're fighting over there, had little choice in whether Americans are trampling around over them or their soil. We go over there and rape, kill, exploit and generally disrespect them. Are you still following me here? We've been doing this since at least World War II. We have been earning the reputation of the UGLY AMERICAN for decades in the Middle East, and the people hate us as a result. Their governments keep bending over for us, meanwhile, so guess what? Terrorism occurs.

If 50% of America opposed Canadian troops on our soil and Canadians kept coming, you betcha there would be terrorism. Especially if Canadians came here, built bases, shot people who protested nearby, raped people, made prostitutes out of the locals, etc. etc. etc.


There is about as much similarity between Canadian troops in the US and US troops in the Middle East as there is a similarity between sharks and coconuts.
 
I meant Gerhard. But... Putin is liked from most Germans because he lived in Dresden?
No. Putin like the German way of live, this I meant.
Sometimes when he is in Dresden he visit the town without bodyguards. I don´t think that an US-president will ever do that.
Not that german people likes Putin more than an US-president, but he feels much saver in Germany than an US-president do - I think.
 
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No, Bin Laden used American activities in Lebanon as an excuse for 9/11 later, but that was a back-formed explanation. He didn't give a damn about the Palestinians, either, but he used them as an excuse, too. He was primarily mad at the US for having military units in Saudi Arabia because that's where Mecca is. And recall that the Saudi King had invited the US military to come to his country in response to Saddam Hussein's aggression.

That was the real kicker. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, OBL offered his organizations services to the Royal Family to protect them from ole Hussein. They decided to go with the Americans instead.

#ain'tnohelllikeawomanscorned...
 
We have had troops, ships and air bases over there for decades. This goes way beyond Israel. It's about taking their oil.

HAH. I wish. Maybe gas would be cheaper. No, OPEC does it's best to keep oil prices as high as they can and sells us our oil. The Gulf States have the wealth they roll in because we don't 'take' their oil.
 
No. Putin like the German way of live, this I meant.
Sometimes when he is in Dresden he visit the town without bodyguards. I don´t think that an US-president will ever do that.
Not that german people likes Putin more than an US-president, but he feels much saver in Germany than an US-president do - I think.

I see. Thanks.

Well it reminds me of President Bill Clinton's visit to Dardania. Not only did he not had his secret service, but he did not even had a bullet proof vest.
 
Well, it's not their country. It's our country, as world citizens we all have a responsibility to try and make it better place. What is to improve if the US leaves. Will it become a succes story like Egypte or Syria. Would it solve any of their problems? Doubt it.

Perhaps Egypt would be a success story but I don't think Syria's story is over yet. And would it hurt to include Dardania in the list of countries that the USA helped for crying out laud!?
 
HAH. I wish. Maybe gas would be cheaper. No, OPEC does it's best to keep oil prices as high as they can and sells us our oil. The Gulf States have the wealth they roll in because we don't 'take' their oil.
I would say that if we didn't have a big presence over there, we might have suffered not only higher oil prices, but also SEVERAL more embargoes. You know, like the ones in 1967 and 1973. THAT is why we're over there... to prevent that.

We seriously need to move toward alternative fuels.
 
I see. Thanks.

Well it reminds me of President Bill Clinton's visit to Dardania. Not only did he not had his secret service, but he did not even had a bullet proof vest.

clinton is a different one .he has less ego .l like him
 
I refuse world peace without world freedom. See signature.
 
They flew planes into our buildings because we've been occupying their area FOR DECADES prior to that.

We would do the same if they occupied us.

Terrorist apologism.

We deserved 9/11? Chickens comin' home to r00st?
 
I refuse world peace without world freedom. See signature.
It's about gosh darned TIME someone out there realized that. Win freedom first and then peace will take care of itself.
 
Terrorist apologism.

We deserved 9/11? Chickens comin' home to r00st?
Did those innocent people deserve to die? No. Was 9/11 a case of cause and effect? Absolutely. Evil begat evil.
 
The 9/11 hijackers were mostly Saudis....
yes, and GWB should have had the Saudi ambassador over for lunch, so to speak....put him on the BBQ spit and roast his ass until the Saudis start writing very large checks, AND do their part in ending the preaching of hatred for all things not of Islam...Instead, GWB, a toady for the Saudis, , just like his father was, invaded Iraq.
 
It's about gosh darned TIME someone out there realized that. Win freedom first and then peace will take care of itself.

Haile Selassie said it decades ago, as sung by Bob Marley...

 
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