America just shifted more Democratic

[Ironfist17]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility? Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility? Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

When you add more then a million people legally to the nation every year from mostly the 3rd world what do you think will happen?

http://www.eagleforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_ImmigrationBook-6-12-14.pdf

 

[Fenton]

There's a reason why Democrats are for open borders and " sanctuary cities ".

The criminals that are skipping accross our borders are far more receptive to left wing ideologies.

A lack of education will do that to a person. They're easier to manipulate, to lie to, to believe the broken promises from dishonest Politicians.

They're more receptive to ideas amd concepts that include giving the Government the power to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and " equal ".

 

[Fruityfact]

There's a reason why Democrats are for open borders and " sanctuary cities ".

The criminals that are skipping accross our borders are far more receptive to left wing ideologies.

A lack of education will do that to a person. They're easier to manipulate, to lie to, to believe the broken promises from dishonest Politicians.

They're more receptive to ideas amd concepts that include giving the Government the power to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and " equal ".

Can you uhh, show how these "border skippers" affect an election?
Actually rather, prove how they affect an election.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

There's a reason why Democrats are for open borders and " sanctuary cities ".

The criminals that are skipping accross our borders are far more receptive to left wing ideologies.

A lack of education will do that to a person. They're easier to manipulate, to lie to, to believe the broken promises from dishonest Politicians.

They're more receptive to ideas amd concepts that include giving the Government the power to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and " equal ".

Not another dime in federal funds, and maybe you use the national guard to arrest the mayors and head of the police.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Can you uhh, show how these "border skippers" affect an election?
Actually rather, prove how they affect an election.

In some cities illegals can and do vote. Also the rise in crime and taxes pushes out hard working Americans which are replaced by more illegals who support leftists which compounds the cycle.

 

[Fruityfact]

In some cities illegals can and do vote. Also the rise in crime and taxes pushes out hard working Americans which are replaced by more illegals who support leftists which compounds the cycle.

Prove anything you said.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Prove anything you said.

http://www.eagleforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_ImmigrationBook-6-12-14.pdf

Start reading..

 

[Fruityfact]

http://www.eagleforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_ImmigrationBook-6-12-14.pdf

Start reading..

That doesn't even address the points you were making.
Again, prove anything you said earlier

 

[AmericanSpartan]

That doesn't even address the points you were making.
Again, prove anything you said earlier

Maybe if you read that PDF you would understand...You do know that reading is a great way to find things out...Right?

 

[Visbek]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility?

Democrats these days are not leftists, they are center-left. Even Elizabeth Warren is more center than left, she's just more critical of the financial sector and certain corporate interests. Their positions haven't changed much recently.

Meanwhile, their policies have provided health insurance for millions, kept the US auto industry afloat, are catering to minorities, and are pushing increasingly popular policies like legalization of SSM.

Republican elected officials, in contrast, are moving so far to the right (in order to appeal to the fervent wing of the conservative base) that they are no longer centrist. This is highly beneficial in low-turnout elections (e.g. midterms), but alienates the general population, resulting in big losses in the last two Presidential elections, and two incredibly narrow Presidential wins before that.

The WaPo article is trying to point out that the shift is not that significant, which seems plausible in the short term. Party affiliation does not automatically translate into election results.

Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.

Besides, multi-party systems aren't any better really. The parties ultimately need to make coalitions in order to get anything done. It winds up about the same as minor changes in a single party of a two-party system.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Democrats these days are not leftists, they are center-left. Even Elizabeth Warren is more center than left, she's just more critical of the financial sector and certain corporate interests. Their positions haven't changed much recently.

Meanwhile, their policies have provided health insurance for millions, kept the US auto industry afloat, are catering to minorities, and are pushing increasingly popular policies like legalization of SSM.

Millions are going to lose their coverage while rates sky rocketing, bailing out the auto makers did nothing but reward failure.

As for SSM, who cares?

Republican elected officials, in contrast, are moving so far to the right (in order to appeal to the fervent wing of the conservative base) that they are no longer centrist. This is highly beneficial in low-turnout elections (e.g. midterms), but alienates the general population, resulting in big losses in the last two Presidential elections, and two incredibly narrow Presidential wins before that.

Wrong again, we are not moving so far to the right as your guys are running full steam to the left...

Why should we come to the center and "compromise" when your side never does that.

The WaPo article is trying to point out that the shift is not that significant, which seems plausible in the short term. Party affiliation does not automatically translate into election results.

We will see..

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.

Besides, multi-party systems aren't any better really. The parties ultimately need to make coalitions in order to get anything done. It winds up about the same as minor changes in a single party of a two-party system.

You want to bet? I can promise you the pro cheap labor side of the party is taking a massive beating.

 

[Fruityfact]

Maybe if you read that PDF you would understand...You do know that reading is a great way to find things out...Right?

You can lie to yourself as much as you wish.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility? Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

I'd say both. Americans tend to vote pretty progressively, at least compared to the GOP platform, on things like ballot initiatives. So the GOP is definitely pretty far behind the average American.

They are also seen, rightly so, as being increasingly ridiculous. The people screaming about austerity who run up massive deficits in their states. The people screaming about the queers and the brown people outbreeding the whites in a country that's much more concerned about jobs (which none of their states seem to have). The people going on about their hallucinations of how god apparently told them to introduce whatever silly social issues nonsense they've just put up, in a country that is increasingly secular and doesn't care much what other people do in their personal lives.

But there's a method to the GOP's madness. They're trying to appeal to crazy old white people, because crazy old white people are the most consistent voters in the country. They don't need to have a majority of the general population. They just need the majority who vote.

The crazy old white people are starting to die, but they're making up the difference by gerrymandering the hell out of everything and passing laws designed to make it harder for young people to vote.

 

[Peter Grimm]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility? Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

Don't believe anything the Washington Compost prints in its editorials....that rag is a hackish propaganda machine for the literate fruit loops that make up the far left.

If Karl Marx were alive today, he would be a regular columnist for them.

 

[Fiddytree]

If Karl Marx were alive today, he would be a regular columnist for them.

And Herbert Spencer for The Washington Times and The Wall Street Journal, I presume?

 

[JumpinJack]

There's a reason why Democrats are for open borders and " sanctuary cities ".

The criminals that are skipping accross our borders are far more receptive to left wing ideologies.

A lack of education will do that to a person. They're easier to manipulate, to lie to, to believe the broken promises from dishonest Politicians.

They're more receptive to ideas amd concepts that include giving the Government the power to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and " equal ".

Reminder that it was Reagan who granted the illegals amnesty, which caused the flood of immigrants into the U.S. to increase. That's when the numbers of them started increasing a lot.

Cheap labor. Republicans like cheap labor. For all the talk you hear of immigration from the right, they've never actually done anything about it, have they? Even when they controlled both sides of Congress. Even when they controlled the White House.

Even Texas (Rick Perry), who threatened to secede from the country a few years back. For all his talk about border problems, he pushed for, and got, in-state tuition for illegal immigrant young people in the Texas. If ever there was a draw for illegal immigration, it's receiving the benefits of citizenship for their children.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The country's run by a club....and we ain't in it. (George Carlin)

 

[AmericanSpartan]

You can lie to yourself as much as you wish.

Who is lying? You refuse to read the facts.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Reminder that it was Reagan who granted the illegals amnesty, which caused the flood of immigrants into the U.S. to increase. That's when the numbers of them started increasing a lot.

He signed a bill passed by Congress which the democrats promised if he passed they would secure the border, still waiting on that...

Cheap labor. Republicans like cheap labor. For all the talk you hear of immigration from the right, they've never actually done anything about it, have they? Even when they controlled both sides of Congress. Even when they controlled the White House.

Sure, its never the left wanting free voters, right?

Even Texas (Rick Perry), who threatened to secede from the country a few years back. For all his talk about border problems, he pushed for, and got, in-state tuition for illegal immigrant young people in the Texas. If ever there was a draw for illegal immigration, it's receiving the benefits of citizenship for their children.

Because he is a whore...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The country's run by a club....and we ain't in it. (George Carlin)

So why do you not do something about it?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I'd say both. Americans tend to vote pretty progressively, at least compared to the GOP platform, on things like ballot initiatives. So the GOP is definitely pretty far behind the average American.

They are also seen, rightly so, as being increasingly ridiculous. The people screaming about austerity who run up massive deficits in their states. The people screaming about the queers and the brown people outbreeding the whites in a country that's much more concerned about jobs (which none of their states seem to have). The people going on about their hallucinations of how god apparently told them to introduce whatever silly social issues nonsense they've just put up, in a country that is increasingly secular and doesn't care much what other people do in their personal lives.

But there's a method to the GOP's madness. They're trying to appeal to crazy old white people, because crazy old white people are the most consistent voters in the country. They don't need to have a majority of the general population. They just need the majority who vote.

The crazy old white people are starting to die, but they're making up the difference by gerrymandering the hell out of everything and passing laws designed to make it harder for young people to vote.

Thank your for being so honest with your views.....Please keep taking.

 

[poweRob]

America just shifted more Democratic. But Republicans needn’t panic just yet. - The Washington Post
Why do more voters lean toward democrats? Is that because leftist ideas become more and more popular or it's because republican party is losing its credibility? Anyway I'd like to see one day a legit third party in the US political scene. I'd vote for real conservatives who'd abolish gay marriage laws and make immigration laws more strict. Now the Republican party is in a deep crisis as it becomes way too immigrant and left oriented.

People here have a major disconnect between what they believe policy-wise and what they believe politically. To explain better, if you ask people policy by policy what they agree with, they ultimately are farther left than what they think they are. I think the GOP has done an amazing job at branding so when you ask more generally, "Politically, how do you see yourself... conservative or liberal?" Many will say they are conservative but policy by policy, they really aren't. I think people are just becoming more aware policy-wise which is overriding the branding and imaging.

 

[Fruityfact]

Who is lying? You refuse to read the facts.

Show me the facts, not a blanket document, which i've already confirmed don't support your argument at all

 

[Visbek]

Don't believe anything the Washington Compost prints in its editorials....that rag is a hackish propaganda machine for the literate fruit loops that make up the far left.

There are no factual errors in the article.

The author is commenting on a Gallup poll. (Gallup is hardly left-wing btw, more like center-right.) They indicate that party affiliation has slightly shifted; the WaPo article is pointing out how this probably won't translate into electoral results. It is hardly an incendiary article, nor does it say anything negative about conservatives. He's just commenting on poll results.

There is obviously nothing in this article which suggests that the proletariat will rise tomorrow, smash the capitalist class, and bring us to a bountiful world of economic justice whose sociopolitical structures are (conveniently) never defined.

If Karl Marx were alive today, he would be a regular columnist for them.

*sigh*

Statements like these say far more about you than about the media. Attempts to tar a center-left news outlet as though it holds the most radical of left-wing positions have little merit or persuasive powers.

 

[Peter Grimm]

There are no factual errors in the article.

The author is commenting on a Gallup poll. (Gallup is hardly left-wing btw, more like center-right.) They indicate that party affiliation has slightly shifted; the WaPo article is pointing out how this probably won't translate into electoral results. It is hardly an incendiary article, nor does it say anything negative about conservatives. He's just commenting on poll results.

There is obviously nothing in this article which suggests that the proletariat will rise tomorrow, smash the capitalist class, and bring us to a bountiful world of economic justice whose sociopolitical structures are (conveniently) never defined.



*sigh*

Statements like these say far more about you than about the media. Attempts to tar a center-left news outlet as though it holds the most radical of left-wing positions have little merit or persuasive powers.

Relax, I'm just having a little fun this morning.

The media are a bunch of hacks on both sides of the aisle...it's a serious issue for any democracy to have a biased media, but perhaps the discussion is larger than the intended scope of this thread.