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Amazon Workers Unionize!

That is precisely what is going to have to happen. And obviously there is ample profit. What is Bezos worth?

Bezos is worth (wealthy) enough to stop working or investing in Amazon. What are Mercury, Pontiac, Saturn or Oldsmobile investments worth?
 
I feel bad for the hardworking employees of Amazon who now will have to deal with a union holding back them back and the union propping up lazy piece of shit employees all while they steal money out of their paychecks to kick a little payoff money politicians way. Some will come to regret this vote and the damage it does,
If that was true Iceland would practically be a backwater third world country instead of having one of the highest standards of living in the world.
Most workers in Iceland belong to labour unions (79% of all wage earners belong to a union) or receive wages based on a union contract (89%).
 
Consumers rarely support labor in great enough numbers to make a difference. People want their Amazon and don't want to give it up to help some liberal union worker improve his lot.
You’re right that most consumers likely only care about getting their stuff, and not about the people that make it happen.

Still, if Bezos were to shut down the warehouse, putting nearly 5,000 employees out of work, the AFL-CIO would raise a huge public stink that would be a PR nightmare for Amazon.
 
I never was much of a union guy, I still have lots of issues with how the laws are written, and the transparency of some of the corrupt leaders.

But, back in the early 90's, I worked for an airline (America West) that was about 7 or 8 years old, and we started having union organizations. There were some pretty dirty dealings with the flight attendant union, and the union didn't get voted in. Mind you, transportation companies work under the Railway Labor Act, and under that, if you vote in a union, you can never go non union again, you can decertify and switch unions. Anyway, the company went Chapter 11, and the original founders of the company, who were liked and respected were replaced. The new CEO basically was the antichrist (he still is, he now the chairman of Frontier/Spirit Airlines, and Wizzair in Europe), so, eventually the flight attendants and pilots and mechanics and all other line positions went union, they had to so their jobs would be protected in case of a merger. AWA basically took over USAirways, and because of the union, the flight attendants were treated fairly for seniority, the pilots, not so much, long story. A few years later, US merged with American, and again, because of the union, seniority was integrated, and everyone kept the adjusted level of seniority. Seniority is the most important thing in the airline biz, the more seniority you have, the better lines you have for flying, it is a move up from being on unpaid reserve up to regular schedules, then to widebody international flying, you only get paid when you are flying.

Without the union, my friends would have all been "stapled" to the bottom of another company's seniority list, a massive demotion.

As for Amazon, good for them, I hear horror stories from there, and have read a lot of lawsuits as a result of how the treat their workers. When you have good management, you don't have unions, when you have bad management, you must have unions.
 
Unions obviously cannot magically increase the productive capacity of a firm. I'm pretty sure most people want unions to get workers higher pay/benefits at the expense of the CEO and managers. The goal should be redistributing the profits of the excess productive capacity of the firm. Assuming the market is at a relative equilibrium raising the price of goods should reduce the profit of the firm.

Unions may do the reverse. If there is no difference in pay between more productive and less productive (union) workers then why be a more productive worker? Not only are less productive (union) workers kept - they get union ‘negotiated’ raises based on seniority.
 
What a bullshit, ignorant post
Obviously you are incapable of participating rationally in an intelligent discussion
You’re the one rooting for thousands of employees to lose their jobs. That is irrational.
 
If that was true Iceland would practically be a backwater third world country instead of having one of the highest standards of living in the world.

Results may vary. I have never found anything good about union member and hates every second of time when I was forced to join one. Now that I’m in a right t work state I have very few dealings with the union and after the last contract negotiations the union at my employer has experienced an exodus of people who got screwed in the contract. The negotiations were a joke with the union rejecting an offer only to approve a worse offer spun as better because there was no support in the union for a strike based on past union performance
 
It is proven that unions result in higher wages/benefits than otherwise. Higher wages mean higher prices in order that people may live at a decent level of living. Those getting those higher wages and benefits can afford the higher prices. What is wrong with that?
 
That remains to be seen. When Walt Disney's workers unionized, he treated them very badly.

What makes you think those are apples to apples comparison?
 
Bezos just built that facility. It opened in 2017. He spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build it and put the proper equipment in it. It is the largest Amazon facility in the state of New York. It was specially built to handle large amounts of packages.

Bezos is probably still paying a mortgage on that building.

Bezos isn't going to spend all that time and money to just abandon it then turn around and do it all over again in a different state.

Bezos didn't become one of the richest men in the world with Amazon one of the largest companies in the world by abandoning large new state of the art facilities after building them. He would lose a ton of money.

If you think that's a good idea then you show to me you never learned how to run a business and never owned one.

I did learn how to run a business in college. I did own a business and was so extremely successful I was able to retire when I was 54 years old with a life long stream of money coming from that business for the rest of my life.

No, Bezos isn't going to do what you suggested. He's not stupid. He won't just walk away from such a large investment leaving his business in the NY area without a facility to process packages and orders.

Watch as Bezos doesn't do what you suggested.
Bezos of course doesnt want to lose million doing this.....but dont let that get in the way of it not happening

And in my prior corporate life, i spent 35 + years in the C suites helping executives make decisions just like this one

Now, i own and operate a small business in my retirement because i was bored.....and wasnt ready just for playing golf and fishing

He can sell that building to someone else....sure at a loss, but it is a possibility

When you have it it your mind to not have unions **** everything up, you will do a lot of things that might not make a lot of fiscal sense at the moment

And all you have to do is look at his history of what he did in Alabama and other places to keep unions out, to determine how much this means to him
 
How can reducing worker opporession and wealth inequality in America not be a good thing?
Tell us how Amazon workers are being "oppressed".

"Wealth inequality" is a fallacious, made up term to inspire an emotional response with an appeal to jealous human nature.

"Wealth inequality", such as it is, is not a problem in any way shape or form.

Those workers have a right to attempt to unionize a private business.

Where unions really need to be eliminated is in the PUBLIC sector. As FDR warned in the 1930s, unions in the public sector is an inherent conflict of interests for obvious reasons.
 
Results may vary. I have never found anything good about union member and hates every second of time when I was forced to join one. Now that I’m in a right t work state I have very few dealings with the union and after the last contract negotiations the union at my employer has experienced an exodus of people who got screwed in the contract. The negotiations were a joke with the union rejecting an offer only to approve a worse offer spun as better because there was no support in the union for a strike based on past union performance
You weren’t forced to join any union. That is against the law. The most any private sector employee, working in a union shop, would be required to do is pay a monthly union agency fee. The requirement to pay the fee (typically, a fraction of what union members pay) is required to be disclosed at time of hiring.
 
Bezos just invested hundreds of millions of dollars on the largest facility in New York with state of the art equipment in it.

Bezos didn't get to be one of the richest men in the world with Amazon being one the largest employers by making stupid choices resulting in losing hundreds of millions of dollars.

I've heard such threats all my life at Boeing. Yet Boeing is still in Washington. They built the largest building by area in the world right here in Washington and they did it decades ago.

They can't move. They can and have opened new facilities in other states but they can't move the bulk of it from Washington.

It would cost too much to do so. It would interrupt business and manufacturing way too much. They stopped threatening to move decades ago.

Bezos has the same problem.

Yes he may be rich and powerful but money is more powerful and he's not stupid. He didn't invest hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars in a facility just to abandon it.

He also knows that there is nothing to stop anyone in New Jersey from unionizing too. So he would be back to where he started.

Bezos will stay in New York and the union will flourish. It has the chance to spread to other Amazon facilities too.

Conditions for workers have changed. Employers are begging for workers. Bezos will work with the union in New York and may end up having to work with a union in other Amazon facilities.

Time will tell.
Boeing moved its headquarters to Chicago in 1991 because of Seattle’s horrible business environment. They moved all of their 787 production to South Carolina last year. The only programs left being built in the plant in Everett are the 777, the KC-46 (767 variant for the Air Force) and the 747. The last 747 rolls off the line by the end of 2022. Boeing has also sold its Commercial Airplane HQ in Seattle last year and some other real estate they owned in the Puget Sound area. I think it’s possible they may move the 737 production from Renton to Everett and sell off the property they have there to further reduce their exposure in King County. There is certainly room at the Everett plant for it.

Amazon has been buying and and leasing up office space in Bellevue (across Lake Washington from Seattle) and is reducing its Seattle footprint.

I’m sure all of these moves come at a cost for these companies, but long term they must make sense or they wouldn’t do them. Will Amazon close a unionized warehouse in NY just because it unionized? Probably not, unless the demands of the union make it impossible for the site to remain profitable.
 
They would if we had proper regulations, which would only be possible if we eliminate corruption.
And that would be a pipedream, especially for politicians
 
You’re the one rooting for thousands of employees to lose their jobs. That is irrational.
Nope.
More stupid posting
Stating facts does not indicate ‘rooting’
 
You weren’t forced to join any union. That is against the law. The most any private sector employee, working in a union shop, would be required to do is pay a monthly union agency fee. The requirement to pay the fee (typically, a fraction of what union members pay) is required to be disclosed at time of hiring.
That type of extortion should never be allowed. If Unions can’t make theor case then they need to work on themselves not force others to pay them
 
Congratulations!

Yes, labor unions are necessary.

A boss is not going to increase salaries and give various benefits unless he has to.

That's just part of the capitalist system.
That’s just not true as a universal statement. If it’s a low skill job then there is some truth there, but even then if it’s difficult to hire or retain good workers the business will raise salaries in order to compete to get the employees it needs.

In jobs where certain skills are necessary, it makes sense to give raises as a retention tool. Where I work it takes us 3-6 months to get someone fully trained and we have at times given someone a raise to keep them rather than spend the time and money to find a replacement and get them trained up.
 
Unions obviously cannot magically increase the productive capacity of a firm. I'm pretty sure most people want unions to get workers higher pay/benefits at the expense of the CEO and managers. The goal should be redistributing the profits of the excess productive capacity of the firm. Assuming the market is at a relative equilibrium raising the price of goods should reduce the profit of the firm.
Here in the real world however ....
 
Where unions really need to be eliminated is in the PUBLIC sector. As FDR warned in the 1930s, unions in the public sector is an inherent conflict of interests for obvious reasons.
What FDR said nearly a century ago isn’t relevant to today’s public sector employees.

I was a member of one of the biggest public sector unions for 15 years, and from personal experience I can tell you that without union reps routinely stepping in to stop abusive work practices, many of my fellow employees would’ve been overworked to the point of injury (like has happened with many Amazon employees).
 
It's weird how many right wingers root against workers and for a company like Amazon, of all things.

And righties claim to be for the common people. :rolleyes:
 
And righties claim to be for the common people. :rolleyes:
They do that because they think that party performs need to be blindly followed
 
That type of extortion should never be allowed. If Unions can’t make theor case then they need to work on themselves not force others to pay them
It isn’t extortion. It’s federal law.

As for the prospective employee, he/she can choose to pay a small fee for union representation, better pay and benefits than non-union shops, or he/she can look for employment elsewhere.
 
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