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Amazon Sucks!
Can we please break them up now?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-...ry?id=59166523
First Bezo's buys a newspaper to leverage himself toward molding opinion and influencing of publicity whores and decision makers in government, now they want their HQ as close as possible to the DC power center to hire ex officials to game the economic system for them and grease the wheels of Amazon, Inc. New York City is part of DC as far as policy and influence goes, and for Amazon it is close enough.
We have been asleep for the last 40 years, as monopolies have suffocated the country. Amazon is only the most egregious in it's drive to make humans compete with robots, not to improve its humans, but to improve its robots. The other facet of the elitist jewel is "big data", selling advertising paths to our subconscious based on what we discuss in private in our correspondence and searches.
The rats in the maze have it better. They get a food pellet at the end. Welcome to your future.
Deblasio didnt want to give any such handouts. He was advertising new york solely on "we got an awesome workforce, we arent giving you squat" for a long time. It was the governor who was bending over backwards.OK, at least it appears that NY was that smart. Such 'deals' often include free, or at least tax free, property and improvements.
Plenty, if it got a 'deal' based on adding 50K jobs in each location. Much like if I put in a bid for building you a 20' x 40' deck, get a material draw and then say for the same price that I will now only build you a 20' x 20' deck.
I don't believe they got a deal based on 50K jobs in each location. Even if they did, that is bad dealing on the part of the localities if they made a deal for 50K and only got 25K. My god, these people are supposed to be up on this stuff. That's their job. How can you make a deal that lets the other side screw you without an out? In any event, even if the localities didn't get what they paid for, they're still ahead. They got 25 K jobs and they didn't have to pay anything and all parties are still better off than they were before.
The article you posted has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. You complain Amazon has some politicians in his pocket. Again Murdoch and Koch have The entire GOP and the WhiteHouse and No S.C in their pocket, so why not complain about that.
Also 6 out of 8 years of Obama and the last two years Trump with the republican Congress and we have passed zero legislation to regulate things and on fast track to remove even more regulation.
Is like You are screaming that the patient has a paper while ignoring the fact that he has his neck cut open ear to ear!
Diving Mullah
Amazon is wonderful. Right up until the next round of major stores close after Christmas.
Nothing new. Walmart 2.0Amazon was clearly a really stupid thing to tolerate a long time ago, they have always intended to be the company store that has the power to rip us off, that never should have been OK.
Amazon is a prime example of how America does not work anymore.
That most people think the opposite proves our ignorance.
As if we needed more proof of that!
WE USED TO BE BETTER
Nothing new. Walmart 2.0
Except unlike walmart it can only screw you once, and not twice when they move out of towns that it stripped of all jobs, wages, and wealth.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/09/what-happened-when-walmart-left
Meanwhile, 25000 jobs have been created in DC and another 25,000 in NY along with the economic benefits of that, including MORE taxes collected (several different kinds of taxes).
Last month, Seattle’s city council unanimously passed a controversial new tax on businesses to fund affordable housing and homeless initiatives in the city. The bill became known as the “Amazon tax,” because of threats by Amazon to halt new construction if the tax passed, but many other companies, too, warned that it would stifle business development in the city.
Why didn't they move to upstate New York where people really need economic stimulus? It's about access to political power. Bezo's knows his number is coming up. You can't have retail consolidation under Amazon, plus robotics (from China), at the same time stripping all of the middle infrastructure from "farm to fork". I hate to break it to you, but a large part of our economy depends on us consumers paying for the "middleman". Under Amazon, as they make deals direct with the factory, the only middleman will be the delivery service.
Amazon was clearly a really stupid thing to tolerate a long time ago, they have always intended to be the company store that has the power to rip us off, that never should have been OK.
Amazon is a prime example of how America does not work anymore.
That most people think the opposite proves our ignorance.
As if we needed more proof of that!
WE USED TO BE BETTER
Nothing new. Walmart 2.0
Except unlike walmart it can only screw you once, and not twice when they move out of towns that it stripped of all jobs, wages, and wealth.
I was talking about Walmart in that post.This childish petulance is really astounding. A company brings a lot of high-paying jobs to an area, boosting the local economy's wealth, causing tax rolls to swell and real estate prices to rise, causing all sorts of economic effects people everywhere naturally want, and the company is nevertheless ruthlessly attacked for contributing to housing unaffordability and homelessness. They leave the area, and they're attacked for depriving the community of all those wonderful economic effects they brought to town.
There is bad with the good in every conceivable scenario.
I was talking about Walmart in that post.
Yes, unlike walmart amazon cant hurt you by leaving.... so your issue with my post doesnt apply to amazon.No, you were talking about Amazon.
"Except unlike Walmart..."
I get that, but the things he is blaming Trump for not doing, no one else has tried to do either. No president in our country has done anything. If anything the video is more “whataboutism”. We need Trump to get bipartisan support energize the justice department to get cracking on anti trust, but as long as the tech giants are supporting on one side or the other, there will never be bipartisan support.
Tech isn’t making computers any more, it is in control of everything we view and most of what we read.
Yes, unlike walmart amazon cant hurt you by leaving.... so your issue with my post doesnt apply to amazon.
Walmart is the one that hurts people twice. Although the first hurt of destroying mom and pop shops which damages the local economy applies to both
The companies arent evil. They are doing exactly what companies are supposed to do. Sure providing a useful service is something they accomplish, but the primary goal is maximizing profit for its owner or shareholders. Theres nothing wrong with that.Ok, I misread which one of the companies you were claiming "hurts you twice," but in either case, whether it's Walmart or Amazon, the complaints are the same. Anti-business leftists in Seattle, such as Kshama Sawant for example, howl about how evil Amazon is whether they stay or leave, the same way you howl that Walmart hurts economies by existing there as well by not existing there.
It's petulant to whine about a company staying as well as leaving. It just reveals ideological anti-business claptrap.
But subsidies for companies is usually a right wing play. Liberitarians are against corporate giveaways but republicans in general are all about being business friendly and bending over backwards.
I'm actually surprised about new york since deblasio was saying he wouldnt give them a dime for a very long time, but this is usually a Republican M.O.
At the news conference announcing Amazon’s decision to locate in Queens, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said, “You’re going to see union jobs in construction.
...there is nothing in the agreement between New York and Amazon that calls for the company to use union labor to build its new headquarters. Indeed, given chief executive Jeff Bezos’s libertarian bent, and Amazon’s tendency to use technology to keep costs down, it seems likely that it wouldn’t use the construction unions.
But it was quite clear from the remarks of the mayor and the governor that the unions are going to get this job. In other words, no longer able to compete in the marketplace, the construction unions are using their political allies to land a big job they would probably not get otherwise. In effect, Amazon is being used as a pass-through to send $1 billion in tax dollars to the construction unions.
What's wrong with unions? They represent workers. I think that was a major concession by amazon. That wasnt the surprise I was talking about. The war on unions is one of the biggest follies of the right wing. What made the mindless factory jobs of the 70s able to achieve the American dream were the unions.Look a little closer and it will cease to be surprising. Ask yourself to what special interest group are De Blasio and Cuomo are beholden, and see whether they are going to benefit from this...
Why Is New York Paying Amazon More Than Virginia? -- You’ll find the answer in who’s doing the construction.
Blame unions for New York’s pricey giveaway to Amazon
Meanwhile, 25000 jobs have been created in DC and another 25,000 in NY along with the economic benefits of that, including MORE taxes collected (several different kinds of taxes).
What's wrong with unions? They represent workers.
I think that was a major concession by amazon. That wasnt the surprise I was talking about. The war on unions is one of the biggest follies of the right wing.
I would prefer politicians be in the pockets of unions then corporations. As I said, unions represent the workers, aka the people. (Not a handful of people who are already rolling in more money then most of us can imagine).How innocent sounding. Are you going to play naive about the influence of labor unions in New York City and the influence they have over the mayor and governor?
This isn't about that, or factory workers or burger flippers you started to talk about. With all the recent rhetoric about how this is all "corporate welfare," I think it's important to be willing to look a little deeper into it and see who's benefiting. If you're surprised that De Blasio and Cuomo would go for such a thing, then look and see whose pocket they're in, and how that special interest group stands to benefit.
I would prefer politicians be in the pockets of unions then corporations.
As I said, unions represent the workers, aka the people.
What is so horrible about unions in comparisons?
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