Am I seeking a speical right or already equal?

[AGENT J]

And you think you have the right to rub our noses in your ****!!

what is your nose being rubbed in?
and who "thinks" they have that right?

 

[winston53660]

And you think you have the right to rub our noses in your ****!!

I think gays are equal to me and my heterosexuality. And if you think people are rubbing your nose in **** don't forget you are here on your own free will.

 

[winston53660]

:shrug: I'm saying you should define your terms rather than ask vague questions.

Why don't you just make a point worth rebutting instead of playing cat and mouse BS.

 

[CLAX1911]

We live in a republic as we, most of us anyhow, have no time nor the interest to vote on every matter that comes up and needs a governing decision. When people actually care enough to go out and vote it MEANS SOMETHING. Regarding the states that have allowed same sex marriage and if the people do not take it upon themselves to sufficiently oppose it initially or take it down, so be it, I am for the people deciding. Despite your views on the majority and oppression, fact of the matter is our representatives rule only with the people's consent, they are NOT our masters, we are their masters, they are our elected and paid employees. So if WE decide something, it stands.

If what the people vote for goes against the constitution then the courts intervene, its a check and balances system. So of the people decide that they can continue oppressing people and the court rules, no you can't, then the court was upholding the constitution. If you don't like the constitution or the idea that everybody has the same rights then return to your mother Russia. Here in the states, if the court decides that my rights are important enough to force the states to obey the constitution then it will be. out want the judge making a decision it was the constitution saying something and the majority disagreeing with it. The court forces the majority not to be a tyrant that is their propose. otherwise blacks would have never been integrated, the court went against the majority to uphold the constitution, no amendment was created, we didn't need to there already was something written in the constitution. The opposition lost because nobody believed the sky would fall if black people were integrated into society. Though some wills claims were made. You stand in the same position as the losers in the segregation debate. you're position, tradition is important, no it isn't sorry, the world will end, that is just ridiculous. You will lose your superiority, you don't have the right to be superior. Your abutment is ridiculous and has been defeated repeatedly.

Yes, society must eventually unravel and fall it seems... the ones of us for a stable society are for it lasting longer without the advent of such chaos as will come... and history warns, popular opinion does change, and I would suggest those overplaying the tolerance hand pushing the rest of us instead into a forced acceptance of deviant behavior being on par with normal behavior... well, lets just say it is a very risky gamble ... and if allowed to destroy the system that allows such tolerance, that protects that deviant behavior, you get what you get, unfortunately all the rest of us will get that as well.

I'll take the risk, the idea that gay people are doing exactly what they have always done in this entire nations history is going to bring upon it doom because we say I don't care seems ridiculously far fetched superstitious and really a despite last moment plea of the ones that are frightened of such silliness.

 

[CLAX1911]

And you think you have the right to rub our noses in your ****!!

Nobody is doing that.

 

[wolfie]

typically this is never the case so im interested, first what is your truth?
what are you saying thats you think is true.

You know exactly what I mean..

 

[AGENT J]

You know exactly what I mean..

no i do not thats exactly why i asked :shrug:

so what do you think is truth/fact

 

[CLAX1911]

equally.......? Outcome, opportunity, well-spoken, in numbers, what?

How about the ability to claim my spouse on my taxes, the ability to hold joint custody over a child that was adopted. Its not equal. I have made a home for my husband and our kid, religiously I am married, technically I am married why does the state not allow me the same protections it would for a couple that had a woman in it? What is do different? Why does asking for equality have anything to do with you?

 

[CLAX1911]

You know exactly what I mean..

Well this is what I know, truth isn't subjective, it is absolute, if your truth differs from absolute truth your truth is false. The way you bend truth to fit your thought process is not reality for everybody. And without credibility your reality isn't accepted reality, you certainly aren't qualified to declare your reality as the standard. Your denial of reality really cuts against you here. You say homosexuality is this or that, with no experience, I know what it is because I live it and what you say it is it isn't. So I know what you mean, you are right because you think you are God? Perhaps you think you are morally superior to the world? But that puts you into a different classification, not a credible one.

 

[CLAX1911]

no i do not thats exactly why i asked :shrug:

so what do you think is truth/fact

Whatever she thinks.

 

[wolfie]

Well this is what I know, truth isn't subjective, it is absolute, if your truth differs from absolute truth your truth is false. The way you bend truth to fit your thought process is not reality for everybody. And without credibility your reality isn't accepted reality, you certainly aren't qualified to declare your reality as the standard. Your denial of reality really cuts against you here. You say homosexuality is this or that, with no experience, I know what it is because I live it and what you say it is it isn't. So I know what you mean, you are right because you think you are God? Perhaps you think you are morally superior to the world? But that puts you into a different classification, not a credible one.

But you said you were bi-sexual..not homosexual..

Make your friggin mind up!!

 

[CLAX1911]

But you said you were bi-sexual..not homosexual..

Make your friggin mind up!!

I am but I don't have sex with women any more. I am in a monogamous gay relationship, have been for ten years.

I don't ever care to be in a relationship with a woman again, not a pleasant arrangement in my opinion. I Would have sex with women but no relationships.

 

[CLAX1911]

But you said you were bi-sexual..not homosexual..

Make your friggin mind up!!

Your lack of understanding of my sexuality does not alter the post I made.

 

[wolfie]

I am but I don't have sex with women any more. I am in a monogamous gay relationship, have been for ten years.

I don't ever care to be in a relationship with a woman again, not a pleasant arrangement in my opinion. I Would have sex with women but no relationships.

So you are not homosexual..you are bi..

 

[CLAX1911]

So you are not homosexual..you are bi..

Romantically homosexual, physically bisexual. Sexuality doesn't fit in your labels, i identify as homosexual now.

 

[CLAX1911]

So you are not homosexual..you are bi..

Put it this way I am about 4.5 on the Kinsey scale, mostly homosexual but have bisexual tendencies.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

If what the people vote for goes against the constitution then the courts intervene, its a check and balances system. So of the people decide that they can continue oppressing people and the court rules, no you can't, then the court was upholding the constitution. If you don't like the constitution or the idea that everybody has the same rights then return to your mother Russia. Here in the states, if the court decides that my rights are important enough to force the states to obey the constitution then it will be. out want the judge making a decision it was the constitution saying something and the majority disagreeing with it. The court forces the majority not to be a tyrant that is their propose. otherwise blacks would have never been integrated, the court went against the majority to uphold the constitution, no amendment was created, we didn't need to there already was something written in the constitution. The opposition lost because nobody believed the sky would fall if black people were integrated into society. Though some wills claims were made. You stand in the same position as the losers in the segregation debate. you're position, tradition is important, no it isn't sorry, the world will end, that is just ridiculous. You will lose your superiority, you don't have the right to be superior. Your abutment is ridiculous and has been defeated repeatedly.




I'll take the risk, the idea that gay people are doing exactly what they have always done in this entire nations history is going to bring upon it doom because we say I don't care seems ridiculously far fetched superstitious and really a despite last moment plea of the ones that are frightened of such silliness.

Its a majority rules country, oppression is not an option but everybody getting what they "think" are their rights? Not so much an option either. Your rights beyond those that are inalienable, our natural rights, are political rights and those are not up to YOU. Sorry, we the people decide those ultimately. In maybe your "mother Russia", not my lineage, I am a through and through American, it was minority rules under the Czar and the Communist Party. We did away with the minority rules "stuff". Here the people rule. And any time We The people want, We The People can amend the Constitution and the Court cannot do a thing about it. When/if we amend our Constitution, then its constitutional, the judicial, as well as the legislative and executive branches are bound to uphold that Constitution.

Civics 101.

The judges, a small minority, DO NOT MAKE THE RULES FOR THE REST OF US. Sorry. Judges ruling from the bench is not quite the way the system works. That's the way it goes.

The only thing minority wise that the court assures you of is your minority rights, those rights can be used to become the majority [ you have no right to be the majority, only the opportunity that allows you to work to achieve the majority ] if you can convince enough of us... if not, sorry again.

You may certainly pin your hopes on rogue liberal judges if you want, the rest of us are not under their thumb, they obey our rules, we make them, they decide only if they are constitutional or not and thereupon dispense justice under those rules. If we amend the Constitution, any way we so desire, they must abide by that. If they cannot/will not do what is expected, we can simply throw them out.

And you are wrong about blacks and majority rules, the majority, except in the South agreed with desegregation, had no particular problems with Brown v Board. It was Southern Democrat Segregationist that were the problem. They were racists and once the south saw that on TV, they distanced themselves from them. Yet if the majority in this country wanted there to be separate but equal, which Brown overturned, rest assured it would still be there... but we are a good and tolerant nation, so we changed and the law with us. Tolerance only goes so far though, and as stated many times before, if you cannot take something generously proffered, but in fact intend to take what you should not, that tolerance may soon evaporate completely.

American History 101.

To say that gay people are doing what gay people in the nation's history have always done is a out and out misappropriation of truth. In my lifetime alone we have gone from deep deep in the closet to now oftentimes grotesque and in your face displays of the extremes of your side's untoward behavior. And yes, your side does not have the ability to force us not to be disgusted, just like if a heterosexual does something disgusting, we all have that right as well.



While its enjoyable to teach these basic civics and history lessons, I am here to debate.

 

[CLAX1911]

Its a majority rules country, oppression is not an option but everybody getting what they "think" are their rights? Not so much an option either. Your rights beyond those that are inalienable, our natural rights, are political rights and those are not up to YOU. Sorry, we the people decide those ultimately. In maybe your "mother Russia", not my lineage, I am a through and through American, it was minority rules under the Czar and the Communist Party. We did away with the minority rules "stuff". Here the people rule. And any time We The people want, We The People can amend the Constitution and the Court cannot do a thing about it. When/if we amend our Constitution, then its constitutional, the judicial, as well as the legislative and executive branches are bound to uphold that Constitution.

The courts take individual cases and decide if there is a constitutional violation by the states. Then they are ruled on.

Civics 101.

you can't give civic lessons when you don't know a thing about it.

The judges, a small minority, DO NOT MAKE THE RULES FOR THE REST OF US. Sorry. Judges ruling from the bench is not quite the way the system works. That's the way it goes.

the constitution is the law not the mob. The judges don't rule from the bench they are the arbiter to decide what is or is not constitutional.

The only thing minority wise that the court assures you of is your minority rights, those rights can be used to become the majority [ you have no right to be the majority, only the opportunity that allows you to work to achieve the majority ] if you can convince enough of us... if not, sorry again.

There are no minority rights there are only the peoples rights. What the court does is decides weather the state is breaking the law which is the constitution.

You may certainly pin your hopes on rogue liberal judges if you want, the rest of us are not under their thumb, they obey our rules, we make them, they decide only if they are constitutional or not and thereupon dispense justice under those rules. If we amend the Constitution, any way we so desire, they must abide by that. If they cannot/will not do what is expected, we can simply throw them out.

Here you funky show you have some sense, almost. The people agree to abide by the constitution, and if the constitution is to be upheld by the judges you can't"get rid of them" you need a legislature and an executive to do that. Liberal or not judges rule on the constitution, not sure when they didn't.

And you are wrong about blacks and majority rules, the majority, except in the South agreed with desegregation, had no particular problems with Brown v Board. It was Southern Democrat Segregationist that were the problem. They were racists and once the south saw that on TV, they distanced themselves from them. Yet if the majority in this country wanted there to be separate but equal, which Brown overturned, rest assured it would still be there... but we are a good and tolerant nation, so we changed and the law with us. Tolerance only goes so far though, and as stated many times before, if you cannot take something generously proffered, but in fact intend to take what you should not, that tolerance may soon evaporate completely.

Rights are endowed by their creator, not the majority, in the case of segregation the majority was in the wrong. Same in this case, we have made steps against you.

And you talking about democrats, I not democrat i am independent conservative. Just because you're a water boy for the Republican party doesn't mean that all conservatives have to be. You are on the democrat side of this any way, using the government to stand in the way of liberty is what democrats do. Just because this one issue is reversed currently doesn't make it a conservative issue.

American History 101.

Oh brother, another bunch of abuse of a academic subject.

To say that gay people are doing what gay people in the nation's history have always done is a out and out misappropriation of truth. In my lifetime alone we have gone from deep deep in the closet to now oftentimes grotesque and in your face displays of the extremes of your side's untoward behavior. And yes, your side does not have the ability to force us not to be disgusted, just like if a heterosexual does something disgusting, we all have that right as well.

Do hypothetically the only thing different is you can no longer be in complete denial. Otherwise nothing else has changed.

Be disgusted, I don't care if gay people get permits to have disgusting parades in your proximity by all means
tell them how disgusting that you think they are. I can't tell you what to think, you can't tel my i have to care about what you think.

While its enjoyable to teach these basic civics and history lessons, I am here to debate.

if you could do the former without embarrassing yourself perhaps you wouldn't be terrible at the latter. Feel free to stroke your ego, its purely self indulgent.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I don't think you have any facts, 11 states have same sex marriage 7 don't ban it so only thirty two ban it, four if which are north Dakota, south Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas, the four of these states have less people in them than my city. Wyoming, all three people there are in agreement.

Either way the interstate commerce clause will be enforced eventually, remember the fourteenth amendment, national government has the ultimate ssay.

Now there you go, finally coming out with the truth... en-FORCED, there is the ultimate goal of your side, to FORCE the rest of us... took awhile but it finally slipped out. Proves it, even you who tried to appear so reasonable at the beginning, "the Boy Scouts can do whatever they want..." reasonable... even though your groups are trying their best with the help of liberal media to shut them down if you cannot "re-educate" them to your way of thinking [ sound kinda like what they did to the remaining South Vietnamese, those that could not/did not flee, after the collapse of their country and take over by communist North Vietnamese oppressors?] .

Interstate Commercing it will ya? You folks try to pull that fast one and you will get a rapid and very well deserved Amendment to the Constitution, not in your favor. Hope your cranium has been taking lots of instructive trips to the pool, cause it will happen so fast it'll make your head swim. We are tolerant, not stupid nor weak.

BTW, just what is the population, obviously relatively diminutive by your proud numbers, total in the all the states that do ban same sex marriage versus these very populous 11 wherein only three voted to allow this far from the norm marriage lifestyle to masquerade as the norm?

 

[CLAX1911]

Now there you go, finally coming out with the truth... en-FORCED, there is the ultimate goal of your side, to FORCE the rest of us... took awhile but it finally slipped out. Proves it, even you who tried to appear so reasonable at the beginning, "the Boy Scouts can do whatever they want..." reasonable... even though your groups are trying their best with the help of liberal media to shut them down if you cannot "re-educate" them to your way of thinking [ sound kinda like what they did to the remaining South Vietnamese, those that could not/did not flee, after the collapse of their country and take over by communist North Vietnamese oppressors?] .

The constitution has to be forced on people much like it was on the British, and the confederate states.

Interstate Commercing it will ya? You folks try to pull that fast one and you will get a rapid and very well deserved Amendment to the Constitution, not in your favor. Hope your cranium has been taking lots of instructive trips to the pool, cause it will happen so fast it'll make your head swim. We are tolerant, not stupid nor weak.

Doubt it.

BTW, just what is the population, obviously relatively diminutive by your proud numbers, total in the all the states that do ban same sex marriage versus these very populous 11 wherein only three voted to allow this far from the norm marriage lifestyleto masquerade as the norm?

Once again I ask what lifestyle?

11 states is more than zero, which it was zero once, now it is 11 sounds like progress to me. It will ebb into all the other states. Things only ever move forward, you can be in denial all you wish, but very few people agree with you and the numbers are going down. I am not scared. I don't have much to lose and everything to gain, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain, its always people in your position that lose.

I am not going to heed your moronic warning I don't think the civilization will erode and I don't think the mid West is capable of swaying the vote to legalize gay which hunts. (sorry, hard to keep a straight face)

The only thing that will be lost is your tolerance, ha ha ha ha ha okay, if that is my gamble, a bunch of flat earth people that tolerate nothing, pretend the earth is only 6000 years old and are generally nuts. Shucks, a bunch of coward morons that hate me anonymously for the sake of a loving God, will hate me more, oh no...what ever will I do:lamo

I am a pro at being hated, give me your worst.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

The courts take individual cases and decide if there is a constitutional violation by the states. Then they are ruled on.
you can't give civic lessons when you don't know a thing about it.
the constitution is the law not the mob. The judges don't rule from the bench they are the arbiter to decide what is or is not constitutional.
There are no minority rights there are only the peoples rights. What the court does is decides weather the state is breaking the law which is the constitution.
Here you funky show you have some sense, almost. The people agree to abide by the constitution, and if the constitution is to be upheld by the judges you can't"get rid of them" you need a legislature and an executive to do that. Liberal or not judges rule on the constitution, not sure when they didn't.
Rights are endowed by their creator, not the majority, in the case of segregation the majority was in the wrong. Same in this case, we have made steps against you.

And you talking about democrats, I not democrat i am independent conservative. Just because you're a water boy for the Republican party doesn't mean that all conservatives have to be. You are on the democrat side of this any way, using the government to stand in the way of liberty is what democrats do. Just because this one issue is reversed currently doesn't make it a conservative issue.
Oh brother, another bunch of abuse of a academic subject.
Do hypothetically the only thing different is you can no longer be in complete denial. Otherwise nothing else has changed.

Be disgusted, I don't care if gay people get permits to have disgusting parades in your proximity by all means
tell them how disgusting that you think they are. I can't tell you what to think, you can't tel my i have to care about what you think.
if you could do the former without embarrassing yourself perhaps you wouldn't be terrible at the latter. Feel free to stroke your ego, its purely self indulgent.

Wow, that's all from your point of view regarding whether or not we, the people, can Amend the Constitution to what we want? I don't know a thing and yet you cannot prove me wrong? Ha ha ha... just about as right about that as everything else you are wrong about, I expect.

We are not the mob, we are the people= the government. Again, Civics 101.

Finally, a kernel of knowledge regarding our governance. The judges are only supposed to judge if the laws are constitutional [ and if we the people amend them the way we want, they would be ] and also, to determine/mete out justice under those laws.

They are, indeed, rights for all, but they are considered minority rights in that these are the rights accorded to the minority, as protections, so as to be allowed an opportunity to express themselves and to attempt, should they so choose, to become the majority. Then their way can be what is followed.

There is where you miss the boat, if we change [Amend] the Constitution, and the judges do not abide by that change, they WILL get booted.

Natural Rights are endowed by the creator, political/civil rights are not, those are decided upon by each nation/society. All people do not have the right to vote for instance, there are age limits, citizenship and residency requirements, decided upon by us, all people are not allowed to drink alcoholic beverages, there again are age limits, not all people are allowed to drive, age limits and licensure, blah blah...

Segregation is not natural, nor is what you are trying to force upon the rest of us.

Not a democrat... was one once, but i "switched jerseys" back again... they usually do not have a very deep understanding of how things actually work, just think they do...


I challenge you, try to prove me wrong on my history or my civics lessons to you, you should be paying me for the instruction, actually... I am not cheap either.

I think making marriage a joke is pretty much of a major change.

I would rather they just get arrested for their lewd and disgusting behavior, and if they cannot keep it clean, society should just ban these types of parades. They have no right to behave they manner they often do in public where there are/might be children around. Have some decency, have some common courtesy.

Obviously I do not base my self perception on what you think of me and I will continue to fight for the stability and strength of my country and against those that would harm it, even if they know not what they do.

Constructive Suggestion: Brush up on your arguments, you knowledge of governance, politics and at least US history and maybe we can continue sometime in another debate ... this one has gotten to the point where I am in instructional mode on nearly every single point.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

The constitution has to be forced on people much like it was on the British, and the confederate states.
Doubt it.
Once again I ask what lifestyle?

11 states is more than zero, which it was zero once, now it is 11 sounds like progress to me. It will ebb into all the other states. Things only ever move forward, you can be in denial all you wish, but very few people agree with you and the numbers are going down. I am not scared. I don't have much to lose and everything to gain, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain, its always people in your position that lose.

I am not going to heed your moronic warning I don't think the civilization will erode and I don't think the mid West is capable of swaying the vote to legalize gay which hunts. (sorry, hard to keep a straight face)

The only thing that will be lost is your tolerance, ha ha ha ha ha okay, if that is my gamble, a bunch of flat earth people that tolerate nothing, pretend the earth is only 6000 years old and are generally nuts. Shucks, a bunch of coward morons that hate me anonymously for the sake of a loving God, will hate me more, oh no...what ever will I do:lamo

I am a pro at being hated, give me your worst.

Like I said in the post just previous, brush up on all those things, I have read entire groups of books on these things you casually mention and "know" about.

And stop with this hate thing, we do not hate you, we hate what you are doing to our country, traditions and institutions...so yes, you can gamble it all and we have much to lose, which is why, now that you are being honest, you know yourself that we will not let you sabotage it all for such little in return... we will stop you whichever way we can, and we can, we have numbers [that majority thing again] and we are right...makes it simpler and less stressful . You do not have the right to ruin it for the 96% now and 100% of the future just so you are "happy"right now. And your nice facade is beginning to crumble at the end here, now that you cannot win the debate to your cause, you are calling us moronic, cowards, nuts, haters... nice...seems very tolerant ...

And lifestyle, man and man...ummm...woman and woman, avoid it all you want, but do you really think that is not a different lifestyle than the NORM? You may think or want to think it actually is, but it really isn't, is it? And no offense, we should be intellectually honest here, and sorry to have to break it to you if you were not already aware, but the unpleasant but painfully honest truth of the matter is that most of us do not even want to think that much about it at all... truthfully... the old "keep it to yourself" was fine, but come on now....

 

[CLAX1911]

Wow, that's all from your point of view regarding whether or not we, the people, can Amend the Constitution to what we want? I don't know a thing and yet you cannot prove me wrong? Ha ha ha... just about as right about that as everything else you are wrong about, I expect.

We are not the mob, we are the people= the government. Again, Civics 101.

Finally, a kernel of knowledge regarding our governance. The judges are only supposed to judge if the laws are constitutional [ and if we the people amend them the way we want, they would be ] and also, to determine/mete out justice under those laws.

They are, indeed, rights for all, but they are considered minority rights in that these are the rights accorded to the minority, as protections, so as to be allowed an opportunity to express themselves and to attempt, should they so choose, to become the majority. Then their way can be what is followed.

There is where you miss the boat, if we change [Amend] the Constitution, and the judges do not abide by that change, they WILL get booted.

Natural Rights are endowed by the creator, political/civil rights are not, those are decided upon by each nation/society. All people do not have the right to vote for instance, there are age limits, citizenship and residency requirements, decided upon by us, all people are not allowed to drink alcoholic beverages, there again are age limits, not all people are allowed to drive, age limits and licensure, blah blah...

Segregation is not natural, nor is what you are trying to force upon the rest of us.

Not a democrat... was one once, but i "switched jerseys" back again... they usually do not have a very deep understanding of how things actually work, just think they do...


I challenge you, try to prove me wrong on my history or my civics lessons to you, you should be paying me for the instruction, actually... I am not cheap either.

I think making marriage a joke is pretty much of a major change.

I would rather they just get arrested for their lewd and disgusting behavior, and if they cannot keep it clean, society should just ban these types of parades. They have no right to behave they manner they often do in public where there are/might be children around. Have some decency, have some common courtesy.

Obviously I do not base my self perception on what you think of me and I will continue to fight for the stability and strength of my country and against those that would harm it, even if they know not what they do.

Constructive Suggestion: Brush up on your arguments, you knowledge of governance, politics and at least US history and maybe we can continue sometime in another debate ... this one has gotten to the point where I am in instructional mode on nearly every single point.

Do yourself a favor, stop talking about the constitution and civics. You don't know what you are talking about.

Basically put if the supreme court rules that it is not constitutional to exclude married couples because both parties are the same gender, just like that it is not constitutional.

Yeah you could create a bill, you first have to be a member of the legislature, so you can't, beyond that you have to get it ratified, not going to happen then your impossible nonsense has to be signed by the president, not this one, likely not the next one either. Then it can be an amendment.

Every attempt to make a marriage amendment has failed miserably, so good luck.

So yes we could have an amendment that supports your concept of marriage, we could have another prohibition also. We could create an amendment that says anything, but its not likely to make it very far. The last amendment to the constitution was in 1992 and was about congressmen and their pay. The 26 ratified in 1971 was about voting and the age limit.

That is it in the last 50 years. No I really seriously doubt there will ever be an amendment to the constitution to support your opinion. You ate over estimating the give a damn factor, I don't think enough people in this nation agree with you to elect a Congress man that would purpose such a bill I certainly don't think enough will vote for enough congressmen to ratify such a bill.

Again your threat to revoke the ha ha ha ha ha tolerance that you think i should be grateful for, I am soooooo scared. You have nothing. according to polls you are becoming the minority.

You are just squealing because your doomed.

 

[winston53660]

Wow, that's all from your point of view regarding whether or not we, the people, can Amend the Constitution to what we want? I don't know a thing and yet you cannot prove me wrong? Ha ha ha... just about as right about that as everything else you are wrong about, I expect.

I see you are not very familiar with Article V of the Constitution. A national popular vote is not one of the two ways the Constitution can be amended.

 

[CLAX1911]

I see you are not very familiar with Article V of the Constitution. A national popular vote is not one of the two ways the Constitution can be amended.

Ha ha ha ha, I don't think he has any clue what the constitution says.