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Am I seeking a speical right or already equal?

Gaugingcatenate said:
Just wondering, have you ever been accused of overloading with facts and evidence? Ha ha ha ha...I was under the distinct impression that this is a debate politics website, not a just-give-your-opinion-with-no-need-to back-it-up site. Maybe I am wrong... I can be wrong, as proven in my last line here in this post...

And I would agree with you that popular opinion does indeed change, it can for for you...and against you... and if you overplay your hand, well...

Where they have held a vote, only 3 have won that vote in support of your side of the argument. So how about you not just say it, how about you display it, this proof of your majority view in some sort of evidentiary manner, in other words at least try to prove it. Somehow, in some fashion besides just this statement of, apparently, what you believe to be true. Otherwise you are just another with an opinion, and you know the old saying about that...

Oh, and I was wrong, its 37 states against same sex marriage, my bad...
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Even though the effort is wasted on a poster like you. I'll meet your challenge:
Poll: 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage - CBS News
 
wolfie said:
Then don't dictate to me what I must accept!!
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I don't, accept what you wish what do I care? I don't need your blessing to get married.
Nor to care for a child.

If my government accepting me forces you to do so, you need to disassociate your personal values from your government
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Good, be offended, you have that right. Your offense is not my concern. You don't have the right to sensor my life because it offends you.
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This conversation is getting a bit nuts...

When are you getting married to a man??

In a church..before God??
 
wolfie said:
They weren't meant to be offensive..

Just the truth...
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Gays fighting for their rights isn't meant to be offensive either. It is just the truth they are equal and should have equal rights under the law.
 
CLAX1911 said:
But you have the right to offend me when you say the truth, but you are offended by the truth.
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There is ''your truth'' and ''my truth''!!
 
winston53660 said:
Gays fighting for their rights isn't meant to be offensive either. It is just the truth they are equal and should have equal rights under the law.
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So you think that homosexuality is the way to go??
 
wolfie said:
So you think that homosexuality is the way to go??
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For gay people yes, what is better that I toucher a woman that i will never find sexually attractive? Is that the way to go? Go against my nature so you don't have to think about homosexuals?

I don't understand your point. I get that you don't care for homosexuality, that is fine with me. But why does your lack of acceptance translate to me not getting to be legally married to my spouse? You aren't effected by it. Your marriage shouldn't be less valid because mine is valid with the state. Your marriage had nothing to do with me, that is a two way street.
 
roguenuke said:
They decided in all those cases because we live in republics, not direct democracies. Even in those places that allow referendums and have same sex marriage, if the people were opposed to it, they could have simply made a referendum, as California did to try to have their own vote on it or they could have voted for people they knew would not have voted same sex marriage legal to begin with. The say of the voters in a republic comes in the form of your representatives. Direct democracies are stupid forms of government that lead to minorities being far and away oppressed by majority votes.
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We live in a republic as we, most of us anyhow, have no time nor the interest to vote on every matter that comes up and needs a governing decision. When people actually care enough to go out and vote it MEANS SOMETHING. Regarding the states that have allowed same sex marriage and if the people do not take it upon themselves to sufficiently oppose it initially or take it down, so be it, I am for the people deciding. Despite your views on the majority and oppression, fact of the matter is our representatives rule only with the people's consent, they are NOT our masters, we are their masters, they are our elected and paid employees. So if WE decide something, it stands.


roguenuke said:
This is your attempt to reduce someone's argument to something it isn't. We aren't losing. Since opinions on this are constantly moving toward more acceptance and support of same sex marriage, any sane person who knows that laws are never written in stone and can always change, especially when viewed as oppressive to people. And considering the research showing that support for same sex marriage has gone up linearly for the last decade or more, it is only a matter of times before even in those states that voted in place same sex marriage bans will have them voted down again (if they aren't struck down as unconstitutional first). The younger voters, who support same sex marriage in great numbers, well over the majority needed to overturn those bans, grow old enough to vote and actually will start to do so in greater numbers. The older voters, who oppose same sex marriage in the largest numbers, are more likely to die within the next decade than younger voters. Plus, as more and more fencesitters see that same sex marriage really isn't a big deal or they realize that people they know are gay, they will start to support it more as well. More support means more people to push to repeal those bans. Four or five states are already working toward referendums for 2014 or 2016 to repeal their bans.
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Yes, society must eventually unravel and fall it seems... the ones of us for a stable society are for it lasting longer without the advent of such chaos as will come... and history warns, popular opinion does change, and I would suggest those overplaying the tolerance hand pushing the rest of us instead into a forced acceptance of deviant behavior being on par with normal behavior... well, lets just say it is a very risky gamble ... and if allowed to destroy the system that allows such tolerance, that protects that deviant behavior, you get what you get, unfortunately all the rest of us will get that as well.
 
winston53660 said:
Gays fighting for their rights isn't meant to be offensive either. It is just the truth they are equal and should have equal rights under the law.
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:) there sure seems to be quite a lot of contentious assumption implicit in that argument. :)
 
wolfie said:
There is ''your truth'' and ''my truth''!!
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typically this is never the case so im interested, first what is your truth?
what are you saying thats you think is true.
 
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