Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US

[tres borrachos]

Hang Mike Pence!

 

[Tbird19482]

Burning, looting and violence was valid political speech to these idiots last year.

As it is for the Trumpsters this year
did you forget about the Capital building
Have a nice day

 

[DarkWizard12]

What sort of society do you envision if the Republicans are eliminated and the Democrats win this hypothetical war?

im just ****en with you man, i really have no clue what society is gonna look like, and judging by the craziness, i don't really want to find out lol

 

[sjmay]

that's the best you got? How embarrassing LOL Oh you people can't even post a single, original thought. No liberla believes everything Biden says, so stop projecting since that's what you people do, blindly believe the lies from Fox news and Trump terrorists.

And Fauci had decades of experience and tons of education so I'd be proud to listen to him while you listen to scumbags pandering to HS dropouts

How ****ing stupid is this post,

No liberal believes everything Biden says, but every Republican MUST believe what Fox news and Trump says......

Jesus Christ you make this ****ing easy.

 

[NuffSaid]

That is right. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with Right wing media pushing and encourage racists and fascism.

8 years from AM Radio and Rush Limbaugh claiming Obama's gonna take your guns doesn't help.

 

[RealityNow]

Everyday working white people who work in multicultural and multiethnic environments, who have built and maintain multi ethnic relations and friendly association are not onboard with the hard core bigots and racist. I've encounters a high number of white people who did not care for Trumpist and Right Wing Race Bigots.
The types who are political right wing nuts, only use that political framework as a cover for their want to promote racist divisiveness. Many people don't have time for that craziness.

I work with a lot of people who are of all ethnicity and race... and people come to work because one they need a job, but two they care about the work they do, and all these people get along, they enjoy workplace get together, some do things together when there are events, and some live in the same communities. They talk about the commonality of raising their kids, the commonality of managing expense, and commonality of family emergencies, and family losses. These people span the spectrum of age range of working people, and some are retired people who are working a post retirement job, so do so because they want to keep busy, and some do so because they need the additional income.
They don't come to work talking about who's Republican and who's Democrat, they don't bring that Left and Right stuff into the work or the relationships they have within the workplace.
When I'm out an about and talk to people in the grocery store, they are not talking about left or right, they are talking about the corporations that continue to jack up prices and no one can see a justification for them doing so, when they underpay the workers, they don't provide the benefits to the workers, and many of the companies underpay their taxes. This is the things people talk about in real life.
The race stuff that is within the sites, is far too often driven by how the wealthy feed it into the system by trying to give people someone to blame, to keep the people from focusing on the fact that the real blame is not the government or any race of people, the blame is on the greed in the executive ranks of business and industry. They don't want people to see that truth!!!

Back when Corporations and Business had a higher tax rate, they were glad to pay Union progressive wages and benefits, because they could write off those things as expenses, and still they made massive profits, they made so much profit they expanded across the nation and set up shop as well on foreign soil.
But since Corporate Tax has been cut, they have no incentive to pay Union Wage or Provide Benefit, because they get the tax break without having to rely on those expense to reduce their taxes.
Right Now, if the Corporate Tax Rate goes up to 40%, they will be glad to have things to write off, such as paying higher wages and providing benefits. which lowers their taxes and they get to have lesser tax liability.

These are things that our education should be teaching people to understand.

Even with infrastructure, it is not people cars that are damaging the roadway, its the business and industry vehicle that cause the greatest damage to our roadway, but they are the same who pay's less tax and fight against using taxpayer funds to fix these roads, because they don't want to pay the taxes necessary to fix and provide continual quality maintenance.

We need to find a way to get better information to the general public. People can understand information if people take time to actually talk to people, as well as listen to their concern and speak truthfully. If people get use to hearing the truth, they will find ways to work with truth. No one needs to feed people a constant barrage of drama antics and belligerence to keep them riled up and off balance.
The truth helps people find a happy medium within their living experiences.

I feel bad for the great disservice Trump did to the people of this nation. He promoted divisiveness, and every means to lead people to confusion and wrapped it in belligerence, until people became so anguished, until they attacked the same government that has built this nation over the 100's of years of its continued development within the world, and knocked us downward from being a nation the world respected when we spoke.
He insulted world leaders and attacked nations on a wild program, that had no constructive means to produce any benefit, instead it resulted to cost Americans in every category of their daily life expenses.

WE HAVE A GREAT NATION AND THE SOONER WE START TO "RESPECT" AND STOP WITH THE WILD "EXPECT"... WE CAN BEGIN TO ACHIEVE PRODUCTIVELY WHERE EVERYONE CAN AND WILL BENEFIT.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm sure the rancor has nothing to do with democrats constantly blaming white Americans and conservatives for being racists, having white privelege, and calling them deplorables. Not to mention that conservatives are sick of he rising crime and making excuses such as it's not the criminals fault.

Sorry. But as a law abiding & Constitutional abiding American, I find no place for violence and breaking the rule of law.

 

[Chomsky]

It's hard to know what they're of this because they don't link to the polls metadata.

I will say as a general statement I hope neither side is driven to violence.

Yes, I'm not happy with that.

Also, even though the numbers are far lower, I felt it necessary to point-out a percentage of Indies & Dems responded positively in the poll - as well.

 

[RealityNow]

Anyone who is an adult should by now in their lives know... those who are led by "Expect" is often disappointed,
but those who are led by "Respect", find in their lives, everything prospers.

 

[vanceen]

Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US

Troubling statistics show the post-election rancor that led to the US Capitol attack on 6 January is still very much in place

www.theguardian.com

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Last week I posted an OP with a video showing a Trump supporter at a Big Lie type event, where the attendee asked the speaker if the time had come to, "Kill Democrats".

Quite a few Trump supporters entering that thread stated that the attendee did not represent common thinking among Trump supporters. Coincidently, many Trump supporters are also claiming the 1/6 event did not involve an attempt at 'insurrection', but rather it was a majority peaceful demonstration of sorts.

Now, we see this poll.

How can this poll, with 1/3rd of Republicans believing the time has come for violent revolution, be reconciled with the "peaceful" claims made in my earlier thread concerning Trump supporter violence?

According to Wikipedia, in 2020 Gallop found 25% of Americans identify as Republicans. The 2020 U.S. Census counts 258M adult Americans. A little arithmetic (25% x 30% x 258M) seems to show that around 20M Republicans believe they need to use violence to over-throw the government! 20M!

That's a far cry from the "several hundred" 1/6 "rioters" of the Trump supporter narrative.

Now to be fair, some of the polled Dems & Indies also believe the time for violence has come, though to far less a degree than the Republicans. But in substantive terms, Dems & Indies do not have a President and politicos fanning the flames of the Big Lie & the need to "over-throw" our elections.

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Ordinarily, I would find a poll like this to be curious. But after 1/6, and with the constant Trump-GOP fanning of the flames, I bet some of us may find this alarming.

Taken at face value, these poll results are alarming.

However, it would be useful to know how the questions were worded, how the sample was chosen, how the responses were gathered, etc. It would also be useful to know how many Democrats or independents answered similarly to the same questions, assuming they were asked.

I've seen lots of polls that show alarming or even preposterous results on the face of it, things like "25% of Americans can't find the US on a map" (that's off the top of my head, but there are a lot of examples out there). Very often if you look at how the questions were asked and how the sample selected the results aren't so surprising any more.

 

[Chomsky]

"Paranoia strikes deep . . ." -Buffalo Springfield. Exactly who ARE the Public Religion Research Institution?

Thank you for quoting one of my favorite groups, and one of my favorite artists (David Crosby).

Actually, David, back in the day, got called-out on this lyric. His response?

"Even the Paranoid have enemies"

I think he speaks to this better than I!

As an aside, in another interview during the early nineties, after he got out of prison & rehab for his coke problem, he made the best comment on the sixties I've ever heard,

"Peace, Love, Dope! Well, we got two out of three right!"

I'm a huge Crosby fan. Of the four (CSNY), his voice and relevance has remained the highest. He is still doing fantastic stuff performing & recording! There's a YouTube video production of him & his kid performing his tune, "Deja Vu". He does a fantastic jazz inspired arrangement, that I think I might prefer to the original studio take on the Deja Vu album. He sings with the same force, power, and conviction, as his live tour de force doing "Triad" & "All Along the Lee Shore" on 1971's Four Way Street album. Amazing!

I'll try to find the new Deja Vu video for you, if I get a chance later!

 

[Chomsky]

Aren't the Republicans suppose to be "The party of Family values " ?
I didn't think Killing other Americans is anything people with family values would do
these people are destroying the Republican party and don't care.
from what I read and see a lot of them are Trump followers and the REAL Republicans ( a lot of them these people are calling RINOs ) should take a stand and reclaim their party and let people know these people are Trumpetts and NOT Real Republicans
I have never been a Republican but I use to have respect for that party up until Trump came and started to destroy it and he is doing a good job of it
all I can say is if REAL Republicans want to save their party and bring back respect to it they had better start standing up to Trump and his followers

The "Real Republicans" are not the Party of Trump.

I believe you're, as I am, lamenting the old Republican Party that is no longer there. This is not about the politicos driving the narrative, even though they are, but rather this is about the base in full support of Trump. The rank & file base are driving what we see, not the other way around. The base are the party, and they are here to stay. I don't see the genie going back in the bottle.

The return of the "Old Republican Party" we lament, is about as likely as the return of the Rockefeller "Northeast" Republicans, or the return of the JFK Democrats!

GOD Bless America
Have a nice Night

'Yes', God Bless America.

I always loved hearing that. Thanks for it.

And, have yourself a good morning!

 

[Chomsky]

Taken at face value, these poll results are alarming.

However, it would be useful to know how the questions were worded, how the sample was chosen, how the responses were gathered, etc. It would also be useful to know how many Democrats or independents answered similarly to the same questions, assuming they were asked.

I've seen lots of polls that show alarming or even preposterous results on the face of it, things like "25% of Americans can't find the US on a map" (that's off the top of my head, but there are a lot of examples out there). Very often if you look at how the questions were asked and how the sample selected the results aren't so surprising any more.

Yes, agreed.

In the 'old' days, before DP's Breaking News guidelines were relaxed, this post would have been relegated to BN: Non-MSN.

As to the part breakdown, there is data in the article I linked, which shows around 10% of the Dems feel likewise.

While I didn't post the numbers for all groups in my OP, I felt it was important enough to claim the other groups & parties are not immune to this effect, even if to a markedly lower degree.

 

[Chomsky]

This is more propaganda that the Democrats must go after Republicans before Republicans go after them.

Unless the polling data is disputed, I see no reason to not trust it, or at the least give it some some possible credence.

Believe this crap and the country gets divided even further.

Of course. But with polls like this and what we saw on 1/6 and since then, why would we not believe it? I notice you provided no evidence in support of your assertion.

 

[Carl Young]

Save us from what? They and their election of Trump is what has been causing most of the problems.

What Trump related problems are you referring to?

 

[Carl Young]

This isn't the first time they have done this poll. Generally the party that isn't in power scores higher than the one that is in power, for reasons that should be obvious.

Opinion | Americans Increasingly Believe Violence is Justified if the Other Side Wins

Our research detected an uptick in recent months in the share of Americans willing to condone political unrest.

www.politico.com

"• Among Americans who identify as Democrat or Republican, 1 in 3 now believe that violence could be justified to advance their parties’ political goals—a substantial increase over the last three years.
• In September, 44 percent of Republicans and 41 percent of Democrats said there would be at least “a little” justification for violence if the other party’s nominee wins the election. Those figures are both up from June, when 35 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats expressed the same sentiment.


• Similarly, 36 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of Democrats said it is at least “a little” justified for their side “to use violence in advancing political goals”—up from 30 percent of both Republicans and Democrats in June."



Funny that you only find this interesting after 1/6 and not the four years prior when your kindred political spirits were burning and looting cities and racking up a death toll.

In 2025 if the Republicans win, I wonder if you'll revisit this as your kindred spirits return to looting and burning cities? I bet not.

Yes, there is only one party which has been violent over the past few years, and encouraged violence, and that's the Democratic Party. Some of their more sensible leaders, if their are any with courage, must speak out and begin condemning the crazies with who are ruining the country.

But when one of these crazies is the VP it makes it more difficult.

 

[Carl Young]

Unless the polling data is disputed, I see no reason to not trust it, or at the least give it some some possible credence.

It may or may not be true but I don't understand the value or why the poll was even taken. Do you think it is of value? What purpose does it serve?Of course.

But with polls like this and what we saw on 1/6 and since then, why would we not believe it? I notice you provided no evidence in support of your assertion.

You saw nothing on 1/6. Apart from Ashli Babbitt being killed nothing of substance happened which was a real threat to anyone, though of course those claims are being made in order to divide Americans, much like your 'poll' is doing. Some people were shouting, milling about, and they could have been anyone.

If your intention is to divide Americans further, and given the name you selected I expect that's the case, then just continue with this propaganda you're posting.. Whatever your end game is I suspect the results are not going to make the country any better than it once was.

 

[Chomsky]

But but but but but...they keep saying it's the Satanic Baby Eating Anti-American Communist Democrats who are violent!!!

Well, to be honest, the Dems did a lot of rioting and property destruction last summer.

I suppose one can try to make an argument based upon "qualitative" differences, but I've never suffered punks well - regardless of their excuse or motive.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well, to be honest, the Dems did a lot of rioting and property destruction last summer.

I suppose one can try to make an argument based upon "qualitative" differences, but I've never suffered punks well - regardless of their excuse or motive.

The Dems, or their Boogaloo infiltrators?
I remember a lot of noisy yet nonviolent demonstrations that either devolved into violent antifa street theater or Boogaloo Boy fights, arson and vandalism.
I don't recall much in the way of Democrats.

 

[Chomsky]

It may or may not be true but I don't understand the value or why the poll was even taken. Do you think it is of value? What purpose does it serve?Of course.

I very much see the value of the poll. If accurate, it speaks to what many of us see as a furtherance of an attempt to overturn our free democratic elections. This strikes at the very heart of our democracy.

You saw nothing on 1/6. Apart from Ashli Babbitt being killed nothing of substance happened which was a real threat to anyone, though of course those claims are being made in order to divide Americans, much like your 'poll' is doing. Some people were shouting, milling about, and they could have been anyone.

I couldn't disagree, more.

If your intention is to divide Americans further, and given the name you selected I expect that's the case, then just continue with this propaganda you're posting.. Whatever your end game is I suspect the results are not going to make the country any better than it once was.

Trump divided Americans, my friend.

Their can be no unity with those attempting to overthrow our free democratic elections. 670 felons or felony charged, attest to what I'm saying. No patriotic citizen loyal to the Constitution would "unite" with insurrectionists - and I surely won't.

 

[Chomsky]

When ideas FAIL....theres always violence I guess.
Thats why we have prisons.

As much as I detest many facets of the American prison system, 'yes' - it is very appropriate for those trying to do us or our democracy harm.

 

[Subieguy]

another shining example of just how far off track todays GOP has become...never forget Jan. 6th.

 

[Chomsky]

I think the real number is probably higher than 1/3. There's probably another 1/3 that wanted to say the same thing but wondered if the FBI or NSA was listening in on the conversation.

Quite honestly, without access to the polling data itself - we really don't know.

But, I do know this:

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1] Trump is fostering insurrection and electoral over-through.

2] 91% of Republicans support Trump

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I'll let you draw your own conclusions!

 

[Napoleon]

“The survey was conducted between Sept. 16 and Sept. 29 through online interviews with a random sample of 2,508 adults living in all 50 states. Nearly one in five, or 18 percent, of overall respondents said they agreed with the statement: “Because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country,” including 30 percent of Republicans, 11 percent of Democrats and 17 percent of independents.”

'Alarming finding': 30 percent of Republicans say violence may be needed to save U.S., poll shows

Almost one-third of Republicans say they think violence may be necessary to solve the problems facing the United States, according to a new national survey by the non-profit Public Religion Research Institute.

news.yahoo.com

 

[trixare4kids]

It's disgusting but it's not just Republicans who think like this.

Oct 01, 2020 · • Among Americans who identify as Democrat or Republican, 1 in 3 now believe that violence could be justified to advance their parties’ political goals

Opinion | Americans Increasingly Believe Violence is Justified if the Other Side Wins

Our research detected an uptick in recent months in the share of Americans willing to condone political unrest.

www.politico.com

@Chomsky
Crickets?