"All sources are suspect." The excuse of the right when put in a corner. (1 Viewer)

[AJG]

"I think all of them fall on a spectrum"
A spectrum is not demonstrated when they have the same verbatim talking points.
I suggest you re-read my previous post. Or not.

And what about my other question about conservative media outlets? Do you consider them MSM as well, and don't they also have their own set of conservative verbatim talking points?

 

[HK.227]

You lump regulated underwriters into the mix of private lending/securitization firms that actually perpetuated the crisis. I didn't....

Whatever. The conspiracy forum is downstairs.

 

[HK.227]

You dressed it up, but that is the racist flavored, RWE, talking points consensus. "Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton caused it by forcing banks to "lend to those people"

The commenters were almost all republicans and they progressed from attacking me to blaming minority borrowers once they ceased denying that the party was over.
It was obvious by March 2007 (approx. chart position marked in red) that financial markets were in complete denial.:

Unlike mutual funds, the Securities and Exchange Commission didn’t regulate hedge funds. No one knew how many of the hedge fund investments were tainted with toxic debt.

Didn't you just repeat what I already said?
Apology not accepted, you pathetic excuse for a human being.

 

[Decypher]

The leftist lamestream media sure don't sound different when they make the same verbatim statements on the same day.
Funny, the same statements as those made by Democrats.
They, and the Democrats, sound like a 'homogeneous beast'. Indistinguishable from one another.

This stinks to high heaven of coordination and collusion.

You've been provided a small list of instances where that's exactly what happened, yet you are inclined to reject it? 'Don't believe your own lying eyes'?

Here's yet another:

It’s the kind of thing Republicans have to deal with every step of the way too, from Kristi Noem and the massive deadly factory outbreak that never happened to Ron DeSantis and the vaccine corruption that also never happened.

How NYT Manufactures Lies For Democrats To Attack Their Opponents

These kinds of things aren't one-offs, they're how corporate media and the Democratic Party work in tandem to defeat their conservative opponents.

thefederalist.com

And another:

Latest New York Times story to crumble follows long history of journalism failures
Ashley Rindsberg, author of "The Gray Lady Winked: How the New York Times' Misreporting, Fabrications and Distortions Radically Alter History," explains the cause of the Times' decades of misreporting.
Updated: April 16, 2021

Latest New York Times story to crumble follows long history of journalism failures

Ashley Rindsberg, author of "The Gray Lady Winked: How the New York Times' Misreporting, Fabrications and Distortions Radically Alter History," explains the cause of the Times' decades of misreporting.

justthenews.com

On Thursday, the leaders of President Biden's intelligence agencies declared they held little confidence in a New York Times' story from last June that claimed Russia put bounties on American troops in Afghanistan.

It was the latest setback for the famous newspaper, which has seen its reporting on the now-debunked Russia collusion scandal be eviscerated by the FBI and its hit podcast series Caliphate retracted.
​

The 'disinformation' is coming from these very same discredited 'news' (political propaganda) media sources.

Corporate Liberal Media Has A Disinformation Problem, And Polling Proves It
VARUN HUKERI, April 23, 2021

Corporate Liberal Media Has A Disinformation Problem, And Polling Proves It

Corporate media outlets have long been accused of promoting misinformation, and polling data shows just how disconnected liberal media narratives often are.

dailycaller.com

And of course CNN, which have forsaken any journalistic standards and any journalistic integrity.

Online Editor April 16, 2025 “FEAR SELLS” SAYS CNN DIRECTOR CHARLIE CHESTER - NEIU Independent

In Apr. 2021, Project Veritas released a 3 part video exposing technical director Charlie Chester admitting his network CNN was “creating stories” to get previous President Donald Trump out of the office. Project Veritas, a non-profit legally recognized journalism enterprise, was created by...

neiuindependent.org

But you go on right ahead and continue to disbelieve your very own lying eyes, if you must.

Again, I could just as easily make a similar list where right-wing outlets publish bad stories about democrats. Or show how a certain phrase or wording is used by multiple outlets, or how Trump and someone like Hannity or Carlson seem to speak with the same lips. Your concern about media biases seems to be limited to those outlets you don’t like. I suggested to you earlier that these biases of yours were veering towards conspiracy territory. I’m afraid we’re here now.

 

[eohrnberger]

And what about my other question about conservative media outlets? Do you consider them MSM as well, and don't they also have their own set of conservative verbatim talking points?

To be honest, I don't consume a lot of conservative media, so I can't really comment on that.

 

[eohrnberger]

Again, I could just as easily make a similar list where right-wing outlets publish bad stories about democrats.

You are free to do that.

Or show how a certain phrase or wording is used by multiple outlets, or how Trump and someone like Hannity or Carlson seem to speak with the same lips.

If those two news commentators are speaking from the same script it's not as obvious as when the lefties do.

Your concern about media biases seems to be limited to those outlets you don’t like. I suggested to you earlier that these biases of yours were veering towards conspiracy territory. I’m afraid we’re here now.

CT? Hardly even close, give how obvious the lefties are.

 

[post]

Um, did you not see the actual video of what the CNN Director said?

Yup, and I considered the context. In the comments after this synopsis of the notoriously discredited parasite James O'Keefe's "Op", using a woman posing as a nurse to secretly film her five "honey trap" Tinder dates with a CNN technical director, (as in NOT editorial.... technical) a commenter posted,

WATCH: James O'Keefe Catches CNN's Technical Director Exposing Network's Support for Biden

James O'Keefe's Project Veritas has new footage that reveals CNN employees describing how the network worked to support President Joe Biden's campaign during the 2020 presidential election.

www.mediaite.com

georgiapeach Angel Eyes • a month ago
"O'Keefe got a horney guy to brag about his job. BFD."

Sorry, I don't share your resentment and bitterness against CNN or other non- Fox, OANN, newsmax, Sinclair, MSM not owned by a close friend of Trump or totally in the bag for Trump. You've walled yourself off in a "Truman Show" alternate universe and you've become certain the real world is out to get you because your POV is the correct one, Trump vs Deep State, maybe even fighting a secret war against child-flesh & blood-consuming pedophiles! You're reduced to relying on a maggot like James O'Keefe of veritas to provide confirmation bias.

You see a vast conspiracy including every presidential historian committed to treating Trump unfairly. Two fake impeachments against an innocent giant of a statesman, the Lincoln of his time.

Read my earlier post ...

"All sources are suspect." The excuse of the right when put in a corner.

I am a republican. Assuming that’s true and I don’t, so what? So was John McCain. So is that clownish woman Susan Collins.

debatepolitics.com

I put a year plus effort into putting a wikipedia edit into former California governor, Gray Davis's wikipedia page that would not be deleted on the grounds it was original research. It was original, the fact that Gray Davis could run for governor of the largest state in a recall election against a celebrity actor who admitted his grandfather was a nazi, while Davis was concealing the fact his own grandfather was a nazi, too!

I'll leave readers to consider whether Arnold deserved to become governor, after assembling a campaign staff that failed to do OPPO research as basic as researching who Gov. Davis's grandparents were! Or, do you suspect Arnold was "in on it", witting to Davis's concealment... changing his own name from Joseph Davis, Jr. to "Gray" to minimize the risk of Joseph Davis being easily associated to William Rhodes Davis?

Nothing I can present to you will influence you to sail out of your Truman Show.

 

[Kushinator]

Whatever. The conspiracy forum is downstairs.

Run away.

 

[AJG]

To be honest, I don't consume a lot of conservative media, so I can't really comment on that.

The reason why I think it's an important question is because the problem changes depending on the answer. If it's only liberal media outlets that suffer these issues then that suggests the problem is with liberals. But if conservative media outlets suffer the same issues then the problem is with MSM outlets in general.

 

[jmotivator]

I have a relative who is a Trumpist. We, as a family, get the daily email from him about the various talking points; election was stolen, socialism, illegals, etc. Obviously, there are only so many hours in the day, so we often don't reply to those emails (non-political, sure, but not the political ones)...and he claims we are denying him his Constitutional rights by "censoring" him by not responding to him most of the time.

But sometimes, we do. And 99.9% of the time, it is to debunk whatever stupid theory that he got from some QAnon-wannabe blog that no one but Trumpists read. So, he got mad the other day and challenged us with a large amount of talking points, clearly in an attempt to either create a "gotcha" moment or to prove once and for all that he is right and we are wrong. I accepted the challenge.

I informed him that I would reply to the questions, but it would take time as I would be citing sources and links and placing them in with my answers for his review. I further informed him that what I intended to use would NOT come from news organizations, pundits and social media. That it would be research posts, links to court cases, laws in Congress, bills in Congress...you get the idea.

A day later, I get an email from stating that to do that was unfair. Because I was going to call his sources as fake because the sources he intended to use were from...social media, pundits and right wing news outlets. I responded that I promised not to do so unless I researched the sources that were provided from those agencies and told him to do the same with mine.

Another day passes, I get an email from him stating that "All sources are suspect." How would we know they are true? So, we shouldn't bother to continue.

In other words, he discovered that most of what he was going to use were simply opinion pieces, pundit rants and blogs that did not carry links to supporting documentation or that said documentation was already debunked. And he understood that I was not going to provide anything like that...but things that could be verified and reviewed in an objective fashion.

"All sources are suspect." The excuse of a generation to hold onto their lies.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[eohrnberger]

The reason why I think it's an important question is because the problem changes depending on the answer. If it's only liberal media outlets that suffer these issues then that suggests the problem is with liberals. But if conservative media outlets suffer the same issues then the problem is with MSM outlets in general.

You can convince me that it's a media outlet in general issue the moment the MSM start treating Biden the same way they treated Trump.
HINT: It'll never happen.

Also True: The politically biased media seem to be disinterested in 'Speaking Truth To Power' and 'Holding The Nation's Leaders Accountable' depending on the political party or political leanings of those 'Nation's Leaders'.

In short, MSM has not only abandoned journalistic integrity and journalistic standards, they also have abandoned being reporters OF politics in favor of becoming active participants and active advocates participating IN politics, yet, somehow, rationalize and claim they are still impartial, where their behavior is anything but impartial.

So the left leaning MSM has become little more than a DNC political propaganda organ.
In response, the right leaning media have retrenched to a similar, but as extreme, position (not including the mad CT'ers in this set).

You can try to sugar coat the reailty in some fashion, but that'd be not accurate to reality.

 

[AJG]

You can convince me that it's a media outlet in general issue the moment the MSM start treating Biden the same way they treated Trump.
HINT: It'll never happen.

Also True: The politically biased media seem to be disinterested in 'Speaking Truth To Power' and 'Holding The Nation's Leaders Accountable' depending on the political party or political leanings of those 'Nation's Leaders'.

In short, MSM has not only abandoned journalistic integrity and journalistic standards, they also have abandoned being reporters OF politics in favor of becoming active participants and active advocates participating IN politics, yet, somehow, rationalize and claim they are still impartial, where their behavior is anything but impartial.

So the left leaning MSM has become little more than a DNC political propaganda organ.
In response, the right leaning media have retrenched to a similar, but as extreme, position (not including the mad CT'ers in this set).

You can try to sugar coat the reailty in some fashion, but that'd be not accurate to reality.

Conservative media outlets also treat Biden and Trump very differently, so the issues you bring up aren't specific to liberal media outlets.

 

[eohrnberger]

Conservative media outlets also treat Biden and Trump very differently, so the issues you bring up aren't specific to liberal media outlets.

Let me know when those conservative media outlets spin 'anonymous sources', alleged to be in the administration, for the blatantly obviously and express purpose of de-legitimization (party over country) of a legitimately elected president, and that they have the same impact on swaying public opinion.

Then, and only then, would things be considered as 'even', and not before.
HINT: It'll never happen.

You seem to be trying to rescue the left leaning 'news' (political propaganda) media's credibility, but it's been shattered, by their own actions at their own volition, and won't be easily nor quickly regained. May take many multiple years, if ever. Recall the 2+ years of 'Russia! Russia! Russia!'? Yeah, that, and oh so many others, all by their own actions at their own volition.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yup, and I considered the context. In the comments after this synopsis of the notoriously discredited parasite James O'Keefe's "Op", using a woman posing as a nurse to secretly film her five "honey trap" Tinder dates with a CNN technical director, (as in NOT editorial.... technical) a commenter posted,

WATCH: James O'Keefe Catches CNN's Technical Director Exposing Network's Support for Biden

James O'Keefe's Project Veritas has new footage that reveals CNN employees describing how the network worked to support President Joe Biden's campaign during the 2020 presidential election.

www.mediaite.com

georgiapeach Angel Eyes • a month ago
"O'Keefe got a horney guy to brag about his job. BFD."

Sorry, I don't share your resentment and bitterness against CNN or other non- Fox, OANN, newsmax, Sinclair, MSM not owned by a close friend of Trump or totally in the bag for Trump. You've walled yourself off in a "Truman Show" alternate universe and you've become certain the real world is out to get you because your POV is the correct one, Trump vs Deep State, maybe even fighting a secret war against child-flesh & blood-consuming pedophiles! You're reduced to relying on a maggot like James O'Keefe of veritas to provide confirmation bias.

You see a vast conspiracy including every presidential historian committed to treating Trump unfairly. Two fake impeachments against an innocent giant of a statesman, the Lincoln of his time.

Read my earlier post ...

"All sources are suspect." The excuse of the right when put in a corner.

I am a republican. Assuming that’s true and I don’t, so what? So was John McCain. So is that clownish woman Susan Collins.

debatepolitics.com

I put a year plus effort into putting a wikipedia edit into former California governor, Gray Davis's wikipedia page that would not be deleted on the grounds it was original research. It was original, the fact that Gray Davis could run for governor of the largest state in a recall election against a celebrity actor who admitted his grandfather was a nazi, while Davis was concealing the fact his own grandfather was a nazi, too!

I'll leave readers to consider whether Arnold deserved to become governor, after assembling a campaign staff that failed to do OPPO research as basic as researching who Gov. Davis's grandparents were! Or, do you suspect Arnold was "in on it", witting to Davis's concealment... changing his own name from Joseph Davis, Jr. to "Gray" to minimize the risk of Joseph Davis being easily associated to William Rhodes Davis?

Nothing I can present to you will influence you to sail out of your Truman Show.

So, he didn't mean to say what he said and he was joking?

 

[AJG]

Let me know when those conservative media outlets spin 'anonymous sources', alleged to be in the administration, for the blatantly obviously and express purpose of de-legitimization (party over country) of a legitimately elected president, and that they have the same impact on swaying public opinion.

Then, and only then, would things be considered as 'even', and not before.
HINT: It'll never happen.

You seem to be trying to rescue the left leaning 'news' (political propaganda) media's credibility, but it's been shattered, by their own actions at their own volition, and won't be easily nor quickly regained. May take many multiple years, if ever. Recall the 2+ years of 'Russia! Russia! Russia!'? Yeah, that, and oh so many others, all by their own actions at their own volition.

I'm not rescuing or defending left leaning news, I'm pointing out that conservative media outlets suffer the same problems. And you're forgetting that conservative media has also tried to de-legitimize Biden as a legitimately elected president by peddling election fraud conspiracies.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Talk radio conservatism is THE perfect example of irony.

AM talk radio is commentary. They are not journalists.

Besides, liberal commentators are not shut out of talk radio. They just haven’t yet found anyone who can attract and sustain an audience.

 

[eohrnberger]

I'm not rescuing or defending left leaning news, I'm pointing out that conservative media outlets suffer the same problems. And you're forgetting that conservative media has also tried to de-legitimize Biden as a legitimately elected president by peddling election fraud conspiracies.

'and that they have the same impact on swaying public opinion.' ?
I think rather not.
Also, as I posted, I don't really consume very much of what you'd consider 'right wing' media.

Regardless of right or left, I am generally skeptical of MSM in general, given their biased lack luster performance this last decade or so, which has only gotten worse, more extreme, so much so that they can't even hide it anymore, having given up on that along with their standards and integrity.

And, no, I wouldn't call 'news outlets like Fox news to be MSM'. The major broadcaster's ratings far out number Fox News, and there is no conservative alternative for those major broadcasters, so what you are trying to characterize as a pretty level scope between right vs. left really isn't.

 

[post]

You can convince me that it's a media outlet in general issue the moment the MSM start treating Biden the same way they treated Trump.
HINT: It'll never happen.

Also True: The politically biased media seem to be disinterested in 'Speaking Truth To Power' and 'Holding The Nation's Leaders Accountable' depending on the political party or political leanings of those 'Nation's Leaders'.

In short, MSM has not only abandoned journalistic integrity and journalistic standards, they also have abandoned being reporters OF politics in favor of becoming active participants..
-SNIP-

What is MSM not reporting about Biden, is it the bait RWE media uses to attracts its audience, Hunter Biden's laptop, sleepy Joe's dementia? Should CNN commentators refer to Biden by Trump's derogatory nicknames? Trump's personal attorney, Wm Barr left an ongoing investigation of both the "deep state" (John Durham) and of Hunter Biden by the US Atty in Delaware? Do you believe MSM is concealing the progress of either of those "no predicate", totally partisan witch hunts?

Trump is openly criminal (his 2016 campaign manager Manafort, assistant Gates are convicted felons, campaign CEO Bannon, indicted), reduced to pardoning the top 3 officials of his 2016 campaign, suffering from multiple severe psychological disorders, one symptom of which is compulsive lying.

New York Attorney General "investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity"​

CBS News on MSN.com|4 hours ago
New York Attorney General Letitia James launched a civil probe into the company in 2019, but that investigation "is no longer purely civil in nature"

Your post looks ridiculous because your opinions ignore so much and read remarkably like what Trump insists that his cultists should believe!

You insist Trump is a victim of MSM "bias" against him. Are these ladies who confirm reporting of all non- M-RWE-M reporting and analysis of Trump, working for CNN or Washington Post or NY Times, or sleeping with Rachel Maddow?

Trump's sister delivers a staggering verdict on her ...​

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/
Aug 23, 2020 Before you go yelling, "Fake news," note that all of the words of President Trump's 83-year-old sister Barry are recorded on tape and made public for the world to hear after Mary Trump first...

Retiring as a Judge, Trump's Sister Ends Court Inquiry ...​

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/
Apr 10, 2019 Trump's older sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, has retired as a federal appellate judge, ending an inve

Mary L. Trump - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_L._Trump
Mary Lea Trump (born May 3, 1965) is an American psychologist, businesswoman, and author. She is a niece of former president Donald Trump, and has been critical of him and the Trump family. Her 2020 book about him and the family, .., sold nearly one million copies on the day of its release.

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key ...​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/
An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support.

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support ...​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/
A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support Science can help us make sense of the president's political invincibility.

 

[Paradoxical]

Trump is openly criminal (his 2016 campaign manager Manafort, assistant Gates are convicted felons, campaign CEO Bannon, indicted), reduced to pardoning the top 3 officials of his 2016 campaign, suffering from multiple severe psychological disorders, one symptom of which is compulsive lying.

New York Attorney General "investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity"​

CBS News on MSN.com|4 hours ago
New York Attorney General Letitia James launched a civil probe into the company in 2019, but that investigation "is no longer purely civil in nature"

Your post looks ridiculous because your opinions ignore so much and read remarkably like what Trump insists that his cultists should believe!

You insist Trump is a victim of MSM "bias" against him. Are these ladies who confirm reporting of all non- M-RWE-M reporting and analysis of Trump, working for CNN or Washington Post or NY Times, or sleeping with Rachel Maddow?

Trump's sister delivers a staggering verdict on her ...​

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/opin...vers-staggering-verdict-obeidallah/index.html
Aug 23, 2020Before you go yelling, "Fake news," note that all of the words of President Trump's 83-year-old sister Barry are recorded on tape and made public for the world to hear after Mary Trump first...

Retiring as a Judge, Trump's Sister Ends Court Inquiry ...​

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/us/maryanne-trump-barry-misconduct-inquiry.html
Apr 10, 2019President Trump's older sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, has retired as a federal appellate judge, ending an inve

Mary L. Trump - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_L._Trump
Mary Lea Trump (born May 3, 1965) is an American psychologist, businesswoman, and author. She is a niece of former president Donald Trump, and has been critical of him and the Trump family. Her 2020 book about him and the family, Too Much and Never Enough, sold nearly one million copies on the day of its release.

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key ...​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits
An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support. Posted Dec 31, 2017

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support ...​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...omplete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support Science can help us make sense of the president's political invincibility. Posted Dec 27, 2018

New York Pols hate Trump and abuse their power to go after him. Gubment is corrupt. (misspelling intentional, so some nerd doesn't point it out)

 

[AJG]

'and that they have the same impact on swaying public opinion.' ?
I think rather not.
Also, as I posted, I don't really consume very much of what you'd consider 'right wing' media.

There certainly does seem to be more liberal media outlets, but I don't think that means that conservatives are swayed any less by MSMs than liberals are. Based on my experience on these forums conservatives seem just as likely to rely on "verbatim talking points" proliferated by media outlets.

Regardless of right or left, I am generally skeptical of MSM in general, given their biased lack luster performance this last decade or so, which has only gotten worse, more extreme, so much so that they can't even hide it anymore, having given up on that along with their standards and integrity.

And, no, I wouldn't call 'news outlets like Fox news to be MSM'. The major broadcaster's ratings far out number Fox News, and there is no conservative alternative for those major broadcasters, so what you are trying to characterize as a pretty level scope between right vs. left really isn't.

You say that you're skeptical of MSMs in general, but you only openly criticize liberal media outlets, and it seems like you believe that there aren't any conservative MSMs.

 

[eohrnberger]

There certainly does seem to be more liberal media outlets, but I don't think that means that conservatives are swayed any less by MSMs than liberals are. Based on my experience on these forums conservatives seem just as likely to rely on "verbatim talking points" proliferated by media outlets.

Meh, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You say that you're skeptical of MSMs in general, but you only openly criticize liberal media outlets, and it seems like you believe that there aren't any conservative MSMs.

I'm sure there are some right wing 'nutters' running around promulgating their CTs, and, as I've posted before, I chose not to consume that media.
The skepticism I'm relating applies to the media that I do consume, which probably does have a right lean, but from my observation, far less a lean as does the left media and their out right fabrications and political activism (political propaganda) they promulgate, so richly deserving of both criticism and skepticism.

How many times has the left media promulgated '50 intelligence' (anonymous) 'officials signed a letter' which was little more than either generating a left attack vector or reinforced already stated left assertion? Giving those an undeserved veneer of legitimacy? This richly deserving of both criticism and skepticism. What is the right leaning parallel to this type of deception?

 

[What if...?]

AM talk radio is commentary. They are not journalists.

Besides, liberal commentators are not shut out of talk radio. They just haven’t yet found anyone who can attract and sustain an audience.

Yup.

Fear sells.

 

[What if...?]

Meh, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'm sure there are some right wing 'nutters' running around promulgating their CTs, and, as I've posted before, I chose not to consume that media.
The skepticism I'm relating applies to the media that I do consume, which probably does have a right lean, but from my observation, far less a lean as does the left media and their out right fabrications and political activism (political propaganda) they promulgate, so richly deserving of both criticism and skepticism.

How many times has the left media promulgated '50 intelligence' (anonymous) 'officials signed a letter' which was little more than either generating a left attack vector or reinforced already stated left assertion? Giving those an undeserved veneer of legitimacy? This richly deserving of both criticism and skepticism. What is the right leaning parallel to this type of deception?

Do you still believe the election was flawed in some way?

 

[eohrnberger]

Do you still believe the election was flawed in some way?

I certainly don't believe in litmus test questions.
Truthfully, I don't know what to conclude. I don't think I have enough accurate information to make a conclusion.

What I do know is that some of the regulations / rules surrounding elections in some states were unconstitutionally changed, specifically people who are not authorized changed regulations / rules surrounding elections did, and may have altered the outcome of those elections, this still being undetermined.

Are the results of the election going to change? No, that ship has long sailed.

Do there need to be additional election security and integrity surrounding elections?
Yes, I think the experience of the 2020 election made that pretty clear, I have no need to go through that entire rigamarole again going forward.

Do you 'like' all these opinions / positions? Probably not. But they are not yours to like.

 

[What if...?]

I certainly don't believe in litmus test questions.
Truthfully, I don't know what to conclude. I don't think I have enough accurate information to make a conclusion.

What I do know is that some of the regulations / rules surrounding elections in some states were unconstitutionally changed, specifically people who are not authorized changed regulations / rules surrounding elections did, and may have altered the outcome of those elections, this still being undetermined.

Are the results of the election going to change? No, that ship has long sailed.

Do there need to be additional election security and integrity surrounding elections?
Yes, I think the experience of the 2020 election made that pretty clear, I have no need to go through that entire rigamarole again going forward.

Do you 'like' all these opinions / positions? Probably not. But they are not yours to like.

"Yes" would have sufficed.

I include all levels of walkback in my definition.