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All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official
NEW YORK — All nine people wounded in a New York shootout between a gunman who killed a former co-worker and officers who responded to the incident were hit by police fire, officials said Saturday.
The shootout erupted Friday morning in front of the iconic Empire State Building in the heart of Manhattan after Jeffrey Johnson, a former employee at a women's apparel business, killed a former colleague.
Six of the nine wounded bystanders in the wild Empire State Building shooting were struck by bullet fragments as cops fired 16 shots at a cold-blooded killer in a grey suit.
Three other victims were hit by bullets Friday morning when two officers opened fire on Jeffrey Johnson after the murderer pointed his .45-caliber handgun at them, NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Saturday.
Johnson, wearing a suit and tie, never fired a shot as the officers approached him shortly after 9 a.m. outside the 102-story tourist attraction, Kelly said.
When so many Americans have the idea that "Only if I had a gun with me, I could have stopped X from happening", the real world sometimes shows a different reality.
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statistically CCW'ers shoot far fewer bystanders than cops per-capita so it isn't the CCW'ers we need to worry about....
When so many Americans have the idea that "Only if I had a gun with me, I could have stopped X from happening", the real world sometimes shows a different reality.
The killer had one round left in his pistol so it appears to be "suicide by cop" after he committed a murder.
One of the officers reacts quickly and brings his weapon to bear on the killer, the other one - not so good, his first reaction is to move behind his partner before drawing his pistol. MY point is to bring to everyone's attention the reality that your personal reaction at the moment you realise death is looming before you may not be the reaction you think you will have.
When so many Americans have the idea that "Only if I had a gun with me, I could have stopped X from happening", the real world sometimes shows a different reality.
NY Daily News
The killer had one round left in his pistol so it appears to be "suicide by cop" after he committed a murder.
One of the officers reacts quickly and brings his weapon to bear on the killer, the other one - not so good, his first reaction is to move behind his partner before drawing his pistol. MY point is to bring to everyone's attention the reality that your personal reaction at the moment you realise death is looming before you may not be the reaction you think you will have.
So you have been in combat and know this for a fact?
Really, it's a pretty poor example of police training. I'm surprised there's not more criticism coming their way, actually.
Perhaps we should continue the trend of the last few years regarding public employees? Pay them less. Cut resources to them making it harder to do their job. Cut some from the employment rolls and demand that those who are left pick up the slack as well as new tasks.
Great recipe the right has there. :roll:
Perhaps we should continue the trend of the last few years regarding public employees? Pay them less. Cut resources to them making it harder to do their job. Cut some from the employment rolls and demand that those who are left pick up the slack as well as new tasks.
Great recipe the right has there. :roll:
It's so cute to watch all the "if only the citizens had been armed" conservatives now shift into high gear and blame the the cops. Lol. Hindsight is 20/20.
Agreed.Or maybe we should actually fire the LEOs who used such poor judgment as to wound 8 civilians. I mean, really, that's pretty pathetic.
"Where's my union rep??!!!"
It's so cute to watch all the "if only the citizens had been armed" conservatives now shift into high gear and blame the the cops. Lol. Hindsight is 20/20.
Agreed.
The guy pointed his gun at them sure, but he never fired.
Then these trigger happy cops fired 16 rounds at the guy and injured 9 civilians.
These cops should have fired less rounds considering all the people around...even if that puts them in more harms way, imo.
Serve and protect? Who, themselves? At the expense of civilians?
Nine by-standers injured by police in New York shooting - YouTube
If the citizens in the area had been armed, there'd probably be a whole lot more people dead and wounded. LEO's have a split second to make a decision to fire. They can't be askin' for people's permits. Anyone using that argument here is out of touch with reality.
Agreed.
The guy pointed his gun at them sure, but he never fired.
Then these trigger happy cops fired 16 rounds at the guy and injured 9 civilians.
These cops should have fired less rounds considering all the people around...even if that puts them in more harms way, imo.
Serve and protect? Who, themselves? At the expense of civilians?
Nine by-standers injured by police in New York shooting - YouTube
Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.
You do realise that you've just said that it would be OK to shoot an innocent person who draws his weapon in an attempt to aid LEOs shooting at a criminal - don't you?
Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.
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