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All Americans need to rally around our flag and our President.

Why didn't you say that in the first place, and save us all the brain damage?

So you think giving the Australians technology so they can make a couple of submarines is going to make a difference? Or is it just going to piss off China even more (and also alienate a bigger ally).
 
Why didn't you say that in the first place, and save us all the brain damage?

So you think giving the Australians technology so they can make a couple of submarines is going to make a difference? Or is it just going to piss off China even more (and also alienate a bigger ally).
 
I don't think you would like living in Somalia or Columbia.
Actually, it does not matter where you live, so long as you are rich. You seem to have the mistaken impression that your government has some loyalty to you. That is naive. The government has done nothing but sell the country out for the past 50 years. Biden has been instrumental in passing the laws and regulations which made it profitable for factories to offshore production and weaken the American jobs base and economy. The Federal Government has spent itself into bankruptcy becuase they know you are on the hook for the debt. Every taxpayer today is on the hook for about $400K that the government has run up. The politicians have all taken millions in bribes and can run off to another country when this one implodes.
 
Actually, it does not matter where you live, so long as you are rich. You seem to have the mistaken impression that your government has some loyalty to you. That is naive. The government has done nothing but sell the country out for the past 50 years. Biden has been instrumental in passing the laws and regulations which made it profitable for factories to offshore production and weaken the American jobs base and economy. The Federal Government has spent itself into bankruptcy becuase they know you are on the hook for the debt. Every taxpayer today is on the hook for about $400K that the government has run up. The politicians have all taken millions in bribes and can run off to another country when this one implodes.
You are welcome to move. I am staying here and working on making my great country better.
 
You are welcome to move. I am staying here and working on making my great country better.
And how exactly are you doing that? In case you have not noticed, the country is going straight to hell, and there is not a damn thing you or I can do about it. Have you got your $400K to chip in for your country's debt?
 
And how exactly are you doing that? In case you have not noticed, the country is going straight to hell, and there is not a damn thing you or I can do about it. Have you got your $400K to chip in for your country's debt?
Why do you think that debt is owed equally.

As of Q1 of 2021, the top 10 percent held 69.8 percent of total U.S. net worth (which is the value of all assets a person holds minus all their liabilities). The top 1 percent held about half of that wealth – 32.1 percent, while the next 9 percent held approximately another half at 37.7 percent.
 
The troller is the one who initiated the conversation which would be you.

I asked you a question, which you refused to answer initially, and then finally answered by directing me to two previous posts you made that don't really answer the question. And then when I asked a follow up question, you just redirected me to one of those two posts again.

So yeah, I think the troll card is firmly in your pocket.
 
I asked you a question, which you refused to answer initially, and then finally answered by directing me to two previous posts you made that don't really answer the question. And then when I asked a follow up question, you just redirected me to one of those two posts again.

So yeah, I think the troll card is firmly in your pocket.
Because that was my answer. You don't expect me to keep responding to your question until you get the answer you want?
 
Because that was my answer. You don't expect me to keep responding to your question until you get the answer you want?

I don't expect anything from you. If you're satisfied giving a non-answer, that's your right.
 
Actually, it does not matter where you live, so long as you are rich. You seem to have the mistaken impression that your government has some loyalty to you. That is naive. The government has done nothing but sell the country out for the past 50 years. Biden has been instrumental in passing the laws and regulations which made it profitable for factories to offshore production and weaken the American jobs base and economy. The Federal Government has spent itself into bankruptcy becuase they know you are on the hook for the debt. Every taxpayer today is on the hook for about $400K that the government has run up. The politicians have all taken millions in bribes and can run off to another country when this one implodes.
This is so obvious to everyone outside of the US, yet what we can't understand is how proud the americans are of their favorite political party, when both parties are royally screwing the people. Both parties are pigs, just one has red lipstick and the other blue. But, americans seem to be so dumb that they only notice the color of the lipstick, and not the pig. I mean, Come On, Man, stop being so stupid when it comes to politics. May I suggest that the US stop studying stuff like transgender studies and return to studying math and science. Math and science help you solve problems, all this political nonsense like transgender studies and CRT only creates problems. But I digress. Back to the point, it is really stupid to give so much support to a government that is not only robbing YOU blind, but your children and their children as well. For what? Has anyone ever asked "What is the ROI for my taxes?" No, instead the most popular question is "Where are the trans bathroooms, please?" One thing is certain, your future is bleak and you deserve it as you fought so hard for it arguing incessantly over which idiot is the better president.
 
This is so obvious to everyone outside of the US, yet what we can't understand is how proud the americans are of their favorite political party, when both parties are royally screwing the people. Both parties are pigs, just one has red lipstick and the other blue. But, americans seem to be so dumb that they only notice the color of the lipstick, and not the pig. I mean, Come On, Man, stop being so stupid when it comes to politics. May I suggest that the US stop studying stuff like transgender studies and return to studying math and science. Math and science help you solve problems, all this political nonsense like transgender studies and CRT only creates problems. But I digress. Back to the point, it is really stupid to give so much support to a government that is not only robbing YOU blind, but your children and their children as well. For what? Has anyone ever asked "What is the ROI for my taxes?" No, instead the most popular question is "Where are the trans bathroooms, please?" One thing is certain, your future is bleak and you deserve it as you fought so hard for it arguing incessantly over which idiot is the better president.
The first step in making intelligent political decisions is to understand who are your allies, and who are your adversaries. This can be tricky. While government may provide some necessary and beneficial services, it is never your friend, and always your adversary. A good analogy would be if you used a mountain lion as a guard dog in your front yard. While it may very effectively provide a needed service, and protect your home, it is never your friend, and given the chance, would attack you as quickly as any criminal intruder.
Government is dangerous, and must be kept small and controllable, or it becomes a tyrant and enslaves the people it was created to protect. The fallacy of the socialists is that government is benevolent and works in the best interests of the people. That is just a flagrant lie.
 
Do you think we can persevere against China by being divided?
Is there a moral difference between division at a national level compared to division at an international level?
 
Supporting your country means helping it succeed. Not tarring it down for partisan bullshit.
Okay. What does that mean to you in the context of this thread?

Are Americans supposed to remain silent when they disagree with the government's policies?
Are Americans supposed to support (either by silent complicity or vocal enthusiasm) their country no matter what it may do?
Is it possible to have love of country but disgust of government, or does love of the former demand the same for the latter?

I agree that divisive partisanship is a negative force in today's society, but failure to criticize the government when you feel it is wrong is worse - it is the antithesis of genuine patriotism.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

― Theodore Roosevelt
 
the PLA is a much bigger army yes, but chances are any conflict would be naval( S China Sea/Taiwan Strait) for the foreseeable future

We still hold advantages in technology, but that's not going to last with our sanctions on Russia forcing Putin to get closer to Xi
They dont have a unified command structure, but they have wargamed under a unified command


China and Russia are already allies. They are the main reasons why the US hasn't curb stomped North Korea's face into the curb the first time they attack South Korea and our troops after the armistice was enacted.

China's military age population more than doubles our entire population. China military tech doesn't need to be on par with ours to win. After all The Taliban won the Afghanistan war against us with old tech and so did the North Vietnamese won against us despite not having a superior military force.

Even if by some miracle and Hell froze and we won. It would cost trillions to fix their infrastructure, set up a intern government and have troops stationed to keep commie **** sucking pieces of shit from trying to take back over it. While in ten to twenty years from now some anti-war piece of shit president pulls us out and practically gives the country back to those commie **** sucking pieces of shit and thus wasting all the lives of our troops and trillions of dollars spent on the war and the rebuild of China.
 
So how does that help?

It didn't help when for four years die hard piece of shit anti-trumpers made up lies about Trump and tried to have him removed from office.

Why do we care?


Why do we care? You don't bash the opposition's president, fraudulently try to have him removed from office more than once, insult the half of the country that voted for him and then go ask the opposition to rally behind your president.
 
Ralley around Joe Biden? But his policies are disasters. Just curious, did you encourage everyone to rally around the last presiden?
Why do you want America to fail?

Trump kinda blew it from the starting gate with the lie about his inauguration size. He finished as he started, with a lie. Mike Pence had no Constitutional Right to stop the certification of the election, but Trump fed that lie to his mob on Jan 6.

Kinda hard to rally around a guy who lacks a critical leadership quality, integrity.
 
What are you doing to support America now? We are a family. You work to make it stronger, not tear it down with partisan bullshit.

I'm an independent. And my disrespect of Taliban Joe is all about Taliban Joe. Has nothing to do with his party. I do respect democrat senator Manchin, though I would not vote for him. I can name a few republicans I disrespect as well, though I suspect that you get the point.
 
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