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Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.

I don't think anyone has articulated a strategy to defeat ISIS in detail and explained why, unlike our recent wars, it will actually work this time.

Cruz wants to "carpet bomb" them....except his definition is having spec ops on the ground guiding bombs to specific targets....

Trump wants to "bomb the **** out of them" and go after their families.

Etc.

Who is making the case that after Iraq and Afghanistan, we've suddenly learned how to conduct an effective guerilla war within occupied cities? They're all eager to send children....sorry, 18 year olds (remember being 18?)...to go die en masse to get the evil people. That's easy to say.

It's easy to call Obama "weak" for not having a plan, and prove oneself "strong" by announcing that "I will KILL ISIS MORE!"


Coming up with a viable plan.....well......that's a different story, now isn't it?
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

who does?

Strategy has to come from the President. That's who decides national policy. So when Obama says he has a strategy... he is lying. He just wants to make it to the end of his Presidency and have this become someone else's problem.



What's almost as bad, however, is the fecklessness and the tossing away of American credibility that was hard earned and will cost us a lot to get back.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Strategy has to come from the President. That's who decides national policy. So when Obama says he has a strategy... he is lying. He just wants to make it to the end of his Presidency and have this become someone else's problem.

Who has the strategy that Obama is being criticized for not having?
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Who has the strategy that Obama is being criticized for not having?

All 3 of his previous Sec Def's have now said that A) he micromanages but B) he has no idea what he is doing. And your response to that is... well, who has a better idea?

FFS, National Socialism had it's problems, but at least it was an ethos. The Republican contenders for President at least have strategies, regardless of whether or not you think they would be effective at least they intend to actually try to solve the problem rather than letting it get worse to become someone' else's problem.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

All 3 of his previous Sec Def's have now said that A) he micromanages but B) he has no idea what he is doing. And your response to that is... well, who has a better idea?

FFS, National Socialism had it's problems, but at least it was an ethos. The Republican contenders for President at least have strategies, regardless of whether or not you think they would be effective at least they intend to actually try to solve the problem rather than letting it get worse to become someone' else's problem.

are you saying obama is worse than hitler???
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

I don't think anyone has articulated a strategy to defeat ISIS in detail and explained why, unlike our recent wars, it will actually work this time.

Cruz wants to "carpet bomb" them....except his definition is having spec ops on the ground guiding bombs to specific targets....

Trump wants to "bomb the **** out of them" and go after their families.

Etc.

Who is making the case that after Iraq and Afghanistan, we've suddenly learned how to conduct an effective guerilla war within occupied cities? They're all eager to send children....sorry, 18 year olds (remember being 18?)...to go die en masse to get the evil people. That's easy to say.

It's easy to call Obama "weak" for not having a plan, and prove oneself "strong" by announcing that "I will KILL ISIS MORE!"


Coming up with a viable plan.....well......that's a different story, now isn't it?

Cruz isn't president. Neither is Trump. Obama is. Obama is the one who needs the viable plan and doesn't have one.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

are you saying obama is worse than hitler???

No, I was quoting a funny movie to make the point that at least others[ i]have a plan[/i].

Obama's refusal to deal with ISIL isn't only related to "no strategy" - the Pentagon has sent over multiple options for him and he keeps refusing them. It's Presidential malpractice - the mans' own head of the Defense Intelligence Agency said that the White House deliberately ignored reports that ISIL was on the rise because "it didn't fit the narrative for the 2012 election".

Obama has been an atrocious foreign policy president. As even his own former administration members now say.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

No, I was quoting a funny movie to make the point that at least others[ i]have a plan[/i].

Obama's refusal to deal with ISIL isn't only related to "no strategy" - the Pentagon has sent over multiple options for him and he keeps refusing them. It's Presidential malpractice - the mans' own head of the Defense Intelligence Agency said that the White House deliberately ignored reports that ISIL was on the rise because "it didn't fit the narrative for the 2012 election".

Obama has been an atrocious foreign policy president. As even his own former administration members now say.

okay thats an article about someone who was critical of both bush and obama, and his main argument is against intervening in iraq

"It was huge error. As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him. The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision," Flynn said.

your first articles about panetta was about them saying we need stronger intervention and more ground troops. so which do you want???

It also explicitly states that "destroying ISIS" is an unattainable goal. it seems silly to post an article stating this, and then follow it by it saying obama has no plan to destroy ISIS lol

"So I think to promise that we're going to destroy ISIS or ISIL sets a goal that may be unattainable."

the first article about hagel was a long article about his entire career with the white house not obama specifically, he does say this about obama

Despite how his Pentagon stint ended, Hagel said he still holds Obama “in high regard.”

“I’ve always had a very good, positive relationship with the president,” he said.

Hagel — who shares with Obama a skepticism about resorting to military force — gives the president high marks for not over-reacting to terrorist threats, for pursuing a strategic “rebalance” toward the Asia-Pacific, and for clinching a landmark agreement with Iran to curtail its nuclear program.

even though he says his fellow republicans smeared and treated him horribly, including current presidential candidate ted cruz who accused him of being an anti-semite and of taking donations from north korea

Even before he started the job, Hagel had been crippled by a bruising and unusually partisan Senate confirmation hearing in which many of his former Republican colleagues denounced him as unfit for office, painting him as hostile to Israel and weak on Iran.

A few Republicans had warned him in advance that they would have to “rough him up” at the hearing because of their dissatisfaction with the president, Hagel said.

But the level of vitriol at the hearing — from lawmakers whom he had long worked with and even raised money for — came as a shock to Hagel.

More than one senator took Hagel’s comments out of context or simply misquoted him. During the 2006 Lebanon War, Hagel had called for an end to the “sickening slaughter” carried out by both sides, but Republican lawmakers wrongly accused him of singling out Israel.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), now a leading Republican contender for the White House, accused Hagel of possibly receiving speaking fees from “extreme or radical groups” but offered up no evidence.

“It is at a minimum relevant to know if that $200,000 that he deposited in his bank account came directly from Saudi Arabia, came directly from North Korea,” said Cruz, in a performance that some commentators compared to a Joe McCarthy-style smear.

in short your OP says nothing more than "your afraid of ISIS" :lamo
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.
I voted for Obama - twice!

I still like the guy enough, and do think his heart is generally in the right place.

But the guy can, at times be, spineless - both domestically and in foreign policy.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Strategy has to come from the President. That's who decides national policy. So when Obama says he has a strategy... he is lying. He just wants to make it to the end of his Presidency and have this become someone else's problem.



What's almost as bad, however, is the fecklessness and the tossing away of American credibility that was hard earned and will cost us a lot to get back.



If, in fact you look closely at all his work, from "Amnesty" to Obamacare, everything bad comes due well after his golden parachute has opened. To get through his term without body bags arriving by the planeload IS his strategy. That defines his entire administration, why he had to lie before the election to stay in office, which has been his one and only goal.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.

I can't say I disagree.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

I voted for Obama - twice!

I still like the guy enough, and do think his heart is generally in the right place.

But the guy can, at times be, spineless - both domestically and in foreign policy.

Great evil is made by people with their hearts in the right place. They do good things that added up harm everyone badly.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

If, in fact you look closely at all his work, from "Amnesty" to Obamacare, everything bad comes due well after his golden parachute has opened. To get through his term without body bags arriving by the planeload IS his strategy. That defines his entire administration, why he had to lie before the election to stay in office, which has been his one and only goal.

I wonder, if he has understood how wrong and even wrong headed the policies were that he promised.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Great evil is made by people with their hearts in the right place. They do good things that added up harm everyone badly.
AKA: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Strategy has to come from the President. That's who decides national policy. So when Obama says he has a strategy... he is lying. He just wants to make it to the end of his Presidency and have this become someone else's problem.



What's almost as bad, however, is the fecklessness and the tossing away of American credibility that was hard earned and will cost us a lot to get back.

I am afraid you might be right, though, his actions are more or less consistent with a good strategy. The problem is that all sorts of stuff would have to be going on behind the scenes to make it work. This would not be unheard of and can be required to avoid anti American knee jerk from populations around the world. This happened in 2005 with r2p. But it is so very difficult to believe Obama in that role.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.

Obama and Crew have absolutely no intention of defeating ISIS, they deliberately created it, and are now busy aiding and abetting it in taking over dozens of countries around the world, including the U.S.

Obama is not incompetent, he is a Traitor and Saboteur.

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Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Its not just Obama: nobody in the US government has any idea as to what they are doing.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

All 3 of his previous Sec Def's have now said that A) he micromanages but B) he has no idea what he is doing. And your response to that is... well, who has a better idea?

FFS, National Socialism had it's problems, but at least it was an ethos. The Republican contenders for President at least have strategies, regardless of whether or not you think they would be effective at least they intend to actually try to solve the problem rather than letting it get worse to become someone' else's problem.

Brother, none of those guys have any idea what to do to defeat ISIS. I honestly don't know either minus the carpet bombing crap and that would do nothing but spur WWIII.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

I voted for Obama - twice!

I still like the guy enough, and do think his heart is generally in the right place.

But the guy can, at times be, spineless - both domestically and in foreign policy.

so do you think obama shoud be bombing more people, invading more countries, or both?
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

so do you think obama shoud be bombing more people, invading more countries, or both?

Right wingers talk about "a plan" often but never seem to suggest one other than "DURRRFF WE SHOULD KILL ISIS"

Like they're all lined up in a field wearing ID badges or something.
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Brother, none of those guys have any idea what to do to defeat ISIS. I honestly don't know either minus the carpet bombing crap and that would do nothing but spur WWIII.

:shrug: I can pick apart their plans and show weaknesses in each, agreed. At least they have a plan. At least they have an endstate. At least they actually intend to try to do something about it.

An imperfect plan, executed violently, is still better than no plan.
 
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Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

Hagel has now joined Panetta and Gates in saying that the White House has no strategy to defeat ISIL, micromanages the crap out of the Pentagon, and has severely damaged US credibility in the Middle East and around the world.

Wow! That's really big news!

Who could possibly have guessed that?
 
Re: All 3 of Obama's Previous SecDef's have now said he has no idea what he is doing

I don't think anyone has articulated a strategy to defeat ISIS in detail and explained why, unlike our recent wars, it will actually work this time.

Cruz wants to "carpet bomb" them....except his definition is having spec ops on the ground guiding bombs to specific targets....

Trump wants to "bomb the **** out of them" and go after their families.

Etc.

Who is making the case that after Iraq and Afghanistan, we've suddenly learned how to conduct an effective guerilla war within occupied cities? They're all eager to send children....sorry, 18 year olds (remember being 18?)...to go die en masse to get the evil people. That's easy to say.

It's easy to call Obama "weak" for not having a plan, and prove oneself "strong" by announcing that "I will KILL ISIS MORE!"


Coming up with a viable plan.....well......that's a different story, now isn't it?

If all we want to do is defeat ISIS, that should be a relatively easy thing to do.

If we also want to nation build, that will be more difficult.

Defeating ISIS is simply killing everything that moves and acts like ISIS then leave. If they start to move and act like ISIS again, go back and kill everything that moves and acts like ISIS.

We don't have the will to do this.
 
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