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Aliens are real...and they just let their junk fly around the universe too.

D_NATURED

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I just saw this story and thought it compelling enough to share. If real, stodgy, nerds like the ones at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics are left with no other conclusion than that the unexplained light they see is alien debris or, worse, a scouting device for curious, potentially aggressive, aliens, does this not put science in the bad spot of having to potentially endure a darwinesque beating by the faithful?

All paranoia aside regarding alien attack, does this story not show an utter lack of faith by the scientific community? Maybe the light is an angel. It could be in a more ignorant time. Or, do you think that angels are no less real than aliens?

Seriously, though, does anyone here believe proof of alien life would challenge their faith and, if not, do you think it would have challenged those of your faith 100 years ago? Just curious, given how controversial the theory of evolution was and is? Does the existence of aliens negate the creation myth for anyone here? Might a guided evolution myth be closer to the truth?

These scientist could still be wrong, I suppose, but even the possibility of a statistically less likely reality is always better than magic in my book. Whether aliens are sending probes to spy on us, they are real in our culture and maybe that's a step in the right direction, away from magical explanations and any allusions about whether our facts and faith can coexist. They never could.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...r-system-could-be-alien/ar-BBPpxIw?li=BBnbcA1
 

I forget, who made this one?

 
In all of history, technological advancement is accompanied by social advancement. Not every year, but every millennia. Sample size is one and that sucks, but it's all the evidence we have. At least it's a longitudinal study with bumps in the road, so the overall trend is remarkable. Thus, evil (or "aggressive") aliens is a myth. Aliens with tech beyond ours would be more socially advanced. They'd be better people.
 
The aliens better lookout, or the democrats will tax them for messing with the environment.
 
Hmm...a giant phallic object roaming through space. We're all screwed.
 

Sorry but that was just a deuce shot into space by one of the Rock Giants from the Hobbit.
 
Anarchon said:
The aliens better lookout, or the democrats will tax them for messing with the environment.
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Either that or the Republicans will declare war on them for not being white enough. (little, green bastards).
 

It's just a bunch of rocks what the **** nonsense are you posting here
 


This is just not science. This is like the story a few years ago where unusual behavior of light observed from a distant start was said to potentially be an alien race building a Dyson Sphere.

It is not testable, not reproducible, and therefore not science. It has more in common with Star Trek pseudo-science than actual science.
 
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I think making this alien is a stretch without close examination. And no it wouldn't challenge my faith in God if there was evidence of aliens. Why would it? To the contrary.
 
Deuce said:
It's just a bunch of rocks what the **** nonsense are you posting here
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Rocks don't make lights. That was NOT the conclusion of these scientists.

Care to comment on the actual point of the thread, which is that actual scientists believe that extraterrestrial intelligence exists? Care to comment on MY point that it's refreshing that there is a community of humans who, faced with the unexplained, do not promote magical thinking?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Hmm...a giant phallic object roaming through space. We're all screwed.
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The cigar-shaped object was first discovered by the Pan-STARRS 1 telescope in Hawaii on Oct. 19, 2017.
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Hrm...so perhaps either Star Trek IV or Spaceballs was a documentary.
 

Just because their explanation isn't testable and repeatable, because it's based upon a single observation not a premise, doesn't change ANYTHING. Is it just me or are some people so obtuse as to miss the point in everything.

These guys are scientists who study the cosmos. When faced with an unexplainable phenomena, they did NOT resort to magical thinking, as so many uneducated, faithful humans do. What they did is propose the most likely cause, in their educated opinions.

Furthermore, if all of the potential evidence of alien life were examined and the scientific community concluded that there ARE aliens, I am certain that it would be an imposition on faith for many. The existence of aliens could do a better job of explaining some human events WAY better than ANY magical biblical fantasy ever could.
 

An untestable hypothesis is not science. It is closer to faith than you want to admit.
 

Of course it changes things. It means its a theory that cannot be tested, therefore has not been tested, therefore cannot be proven, therefore cannot rationally be treated as true. It may be a hypothesis based in other testable science but that doesn't bootstrap it into truthood.

It's basically an educated guess until you can test it.
 
jmotivator said:
An untestable hypothesis is not science. It is closer to faith than you want to admit.
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You don't even have to look around in space if you're just going to explain things with faith. The unknown in science is vastly different than faith because faith does not admit to not knowing.
 
D_NATURED said:
You don't even have to look around in space if you're just going to explain things with faith. The unknown in science is vastly different than faith because faith does not admit to not knowing.
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Again, if it is not testable or reproducible then it isn't science. It is offering a wild ass guess to a question that can't be answered. That isn't science.
 
jmotivator said:
Again, if it is not testable or reproducible then it isn't science. It is offering a wild ass guess to a question that can't be answered. That isn't science.
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I'll guarantee you that if these scientists could sit down with you and explain, in totality, why they believe they are seeing alien technology, you would walk away feeling much better than if you sat down with the pope and had him explain why snakes talk.
 
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