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Alan Dershowitz: If FBI Raided Hillary Clinton's Lawyer the ACLU Would Be Raising Caine.

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This is what Mr. Dershowitz thinks about the FBI Raid on Cohen's offices.



A definition of Attorney-Client privilege:

Attorney–client privilege or lawyer–client privilege is a "client's right privilege to refuse to disclose and to prevent any other person from disclosing confidential communications between the client and the attorney." The attorney–client privilege is one of the oldest recognized privileges for confidential communications. The United States Supreme Court has stated that by assuring confidentiality, the privilege encourages clients to make "full and frank" disclosures to their attorneys, who are then better able to provide candid advice and effective representation.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney–client_privilege

Now it is not absolute:

There are a number of exceptions to the privilege in most jurisdictions, chief among them:

1. the communication was made in the presence of individuals who were neither attorney nor client, or was disclosed to such individuals,

2. the communication was made for the purpose of committing a crime or tort,

3. the client has waived the privilege (for example by publicly disclosing the communication).
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I agree with Mr. Dershowitz's statement that Mueller is not being partisan in his actions, but he is just "determined to get his target" and the target is on the back of Mr. Trump.

That means he presumes the target has something to be "gotten" and he has to find it or none of the costs of the investigation can be justified.

Anyone over the age of "innocence" (i.e. my definition as the age when a child is not really cognizant of good or bad, right or wrong), accumulates some level of "wrongs" in their lifetimes; the older they get, the more skeletons in the closet.

IMO that's why we expect anyone facing such depths of scrutiny to be revealed as somehow "bad" eventually, and pushing for this scrutiny creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also agree that instead of the FBI being allowed absolute access to ALL Cohen's files, that a Judge be appointed to determine which, if any of the files, applies to a criminal investigation and rules it accessible to the investigators.
 
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Alan Dershowitz has shown himself to be a complete buttwipe over the last couple of years. Screw him (and the limo he bought with the OJ money) that he rode in on.
 
If an attorney and client are engaged in a conspiracy or illegal activity that's out the window.

You can rest assured that Mueller is going by the book. There's no way in hell he'd let 45 be his downfall and besmirch his reputation.
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is what Mr. Dershowitz thinks about the FBI Raid on Cohen's offices.



A definition of Attorney-Client privilege:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney–client_privilege

Now it is not absolute:



I agree with Mr. Dershowitz's statement that Mueller is not being partisan in his actions, but he is just "determined to get his target" and the target is on the back of Mr. Trump.

That means he presumes the target has something to be "gotten" and he has to find it or none of the costs of the investigation can be justified.

Anyone over the age of "innocence" (i.e. my definition as the age when a child is not really cognizant of good or bad, right or wrong), accumulates some level of "wrongs" in their lifetimes; the older they get, the more skeletons in the closet.

IMO that's why we expect anyone facing such depths of scrutiny to be revealed as somehow "bad" eventually, and pushing for this scrutiny creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also agree that instead of the FBI being allowed absolute access to ALL Cohen's files, that a Judge be appointed to determine which, if any of the files, applies to a criminal investigation and rules it accessible to the investigators.

Point of Information: Recall that the FBI allowed Ms. Clinton to have her emails screened, and those considered "private" scrubbed from her systems without any supervision before the FBI was allowed to access them for the investigation. Something I can tell you is not standard practice in the handling of evidence seized for a criminal investigation.

Hillary Clinton was allowed to delete personal emails from server: DOJ | MSNBC

Those materials were not protected by attorney-client privilege.
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Shouldn't this be in the \conspiracy theory section?

It sure isn't news, barely history You guys must be terrified watching the Great White Wonder get dragged through ****.
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is what Mr. Dershowitz thinks about the FBI Raid on Cohen's offices.



A definition of Attorney-Client privilege:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney–client_privilege

Now it is not absolute:



I agree with Mr. Dershowitz's statement that Mueller is not being partisan in his actions, but he is just "determined to get his target" and the target is on the back of Mr. Trump.

That means he presumes the target has something to be "gotten" and he has to find it or none of the costs of the investigation can be justified.

Anyone over the age of "innocence" (i.e. my definition as the age when a child is not really cognizant of good or bad, right or wrong), accumulates some level of "wrongs" in their lifetimes; the older they get, the more skeletons in the closet.

IMO that's why we expect anyone facing such depths of scrutiny to be revealed as somehow "bad" eventually, and pushing for this scrutiny creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also agree that instead of the FBI being allowed absolute access to ALL Cohen's files, that a Judge be appointed to determine which, if any of the files, applies to a criminal investigation and rules it accessible to the investigators.
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Raising Kaine. Couldn't resist.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Shouldn't this be in the \conspiracy theory section?

It sure isn't news, barely history You guys must be terrified watching the Great White Wonder get dragged through ****.
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I deleted the Hillary Clinton section. Please review final post. :)

It is not "news" it is General Political discussion. :shrug:
 
I expect the FBI is fully aware of the issue of attorney client privilege. I certainly expect the FBI and the judges involved in approving the warrant understand fully that if the warrant violates it they will be out of a job
 
haymarket said:
Alan Dershowitz has shown himself to be a complete buttwipe over the last couple of years. Screw him (and the limo he bought with the OJ money) that he rode in on.
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Why? Is it because he's not an unethical partisan loony Democrat?
 
What Dershowitz should be asking is why Mueller’s investigation leads to a rat’s nest of liars, money launderers, fraudsters, and foreign agents and entities to find the truth.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The point is, they seized ALL his files, and Trump was not his only client. If there is no judicial oversight, then not only Mr. Trump, but every other client who confided under the privilege may have confidential information not normally accessible made free for use in all sorts of investigations.
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Any information gathered in such a way and used to support a prosecution would be tossed out by a judge. It was and is a high risk decision that would have been approved with great reluctance i am sure. If they are wrong their jobs are gone.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I deleted the Hillary Clinton section. Please review final post. :)

It is not "news" it is General Political discussion. :shrug:
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Don't you think it's time to let the Hillary thing go?

I can't be responsible for what you delete later, as long as you're defending that prick in the White House and using Hillary as a whipping post you're going to hear about it.

There's a criminal in the White House, the sooner you acknowledge that the sooner the country can begin to heal. Th way you're going you'll be three countries in a few years.
 
If the above happened, most of the people complaining now wouldn't be complaining then. They'd be cheering the FBI on because it was 'Crooked Clinton' and I doubt old "OJ is innocent" Dershowitz would say a thing to his friends on the right.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Don't you think it's time to let the Hillary thing go?

I can't be responsible for what you delete later, as long as you're defending that prick in the White House and using Hillary as a whipping post you're going to hear about it.

There's a criminal in the White House, the sooner you acknowledge that the sooner the country can begin to heal. Th way you're going you'll be three countries in a few years.
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(Sigh)

Have I ever commented about the antics of your current Prime Minister? :roll:

That said, you are entitled to your opinion, but as I pointed out in my OP...everyone has skeleton's in their own closet which is why people typically presume someone as deeply and relentlessly scrutinized as Mr. Trump will eventually produce a few bones.

The only difference between how one views who and how much of such scrutiny should occur regarding him and persons on the opposite side of the debate often depends on their political viewpoint.

How successful such scrutiny is all depends on how rabid the opposition is and how strongly entrenched in the systems of power those who oppose such scrutiny are.

Trump is hated because of the psychic shock of his election. IMO had Hillary been elected...none of her issues (including possible collusion with ??) would have created more than a peep from the current opposition, or much effort on the part of the established "swamp." :shrug:
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is what Mr. Dershowitz thinks about the FBI Raid on Cohen's offices.



A definition of Attorney-Client privilege:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney–client_privilege

Now it is not absolute:



I agree with Mr. Dershowitz's statement that Mueller is not being partisan in his actions, but he is just "determined to get his target" and the target is on the back of Mr. Trump.

That means he presumes the target has something to be "gotten" and he has to find it or none of the costs of the investigation can be justified.

Anyone over the age of "innocence" (i.e. my definition as the age when a child is not really cognizant of good or bad, right or wrong), accumulates some level of "wrongs" in their lifetimes; the older they get, the more skeletons in the closet.

IMO that's why we expect anyone facing such depths of scrutiny to be revealed as somehow "bad" eventually, and pushing for this scrutiny creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also agree that instead of the FBI being allowed absolute access to ALL Cohen's files, that a Judge be appointed to determine which, if any of the files, applies to a criminal investigation and rules it accessible to the investigators.
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I was going to post that if no one else did.
He mentions a couple of things that I noted yesterday ...

Since there's that pesky attorney/client privilege thing, it would seem that the only way a search warrant would be issued for a person's attorney is if there's evidence of their (the attorney) criminal culpability.
It's been said that the FBI gathered up and removed anything and everything so they better have had that evidence.
If they didn't then they'd be in trouble.

On the other hand, the FBI would still be in possession of the work product of the search which might in and of itself be reason enough to have pulled this off.
Now I think all the material still has to be reviewed for relevance by an independent legal entity but before that happens maybe someone like Andrew Weissmann will be able to take a look at it.
That could open up entirely new vistas for the Special Counsel that could stretch this bad boy out until after the election.​

And I pretty much agree with your comment as well.
 
Seth Abramson commented on Twitter that Dershowitz was his law professor way back, and now his A+ in Criminal Law is looking tarnished!
 
Napoleon said:
What Dershowitz should be asking is why Mueller’s investigation leads to a rat’s nest of liars, money launderers, fraudsters, and foreign agents and entities to find the truth.
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Except for that "money launderers" thingy I thought you talking about some of the more famous FBI personnel we've been hearing about.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Seth Abramson commented on Twitter that Dershowitz was his law professor way back, and now his A+ in Criminal Law is looking tarnished!
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Weeeellll, if Seth Abramson said it then that pretty much settles it, huh.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Don't you think it's time to let the Hillary thing go?

I can't be responsible for what you delete later, as long as you're defending that prick in the White House and using Hillary as a whipping post you're going to hear about it.

There's a criminal in the White House, the sooner you acknowledge that the sooner the country can begin to heal. Th way you're going you'll be three countries in a few years.
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She needs to go first, but of course she does not have that good of an ear that she would know that she needs to retire from the public square, in shame.
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is what Mr. Dershowitz thinks about the FBI Raid on Cohen's offices.



A definition of Attorney-Client privilege:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney–client_privilege

Now it is not absolute:



I agree with Mr. Dershowitz's statement that Mueller is not being partisan in his actions, but he is just "determined to get his target" and the target is on the back of Mr. Trump.

That means he presumes the target has something to be "gotten" and he has to find it or none of the costs of the investigation can be justified.

Anyone over the age of "innocence" (i.e. my definition as the age when a child is not really cognizant of good or bad, right or wrong), accumulates some level of "wrongs" in their lifetimes; the older they get, the more skeletons in the closet.

IMO that's why we expect anyone facing such depths of scrutiny to be revealed as somehow "bad" eventually, and pushing for this scrutiny creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also agree that instead of the FBI being allowed absolute access to ALL Cohen's files, that a Judge be appointed to determine which, if any of the files, applies to a criminal investigation and rules it accessible to the investigators.
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If the FBI raided Clinton's attorney's office, I would think she did something really bad. And so would you. Don't lie about it.
 
Dershowitz is about half a loon point better than Joe Digenova. Give Alan a few conspiracy theories and you couldn't tell the diff between them.
 
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