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AIDE DETAILS TRUMP’S RAGE ON JAN. 6He Knew Crowd Was Armed, but Tried to Loosen Security, Testimony Recounts

Trump believes the election was rigged. Rigging an election is a crime.
Trump has yet to prove his belief.

clear enough for you.
Trump only has to prove the election was rigged if he expects the results to be overturned. Otherwise, he is not obligated to prove anything. His beliefs are his beliefs. Is that clear enough for you?
 
Trump only has to prove the election was rigged if he expects the results to be overturned. Otherwise, he is not obligated to prove anything. His beliefs are his beliefs. Is that clear enough for you?
and you most like bought into his bs.
Seems you believe it is ok for a candidate to spread false statements.

Trump was wrong regarding Arizona and the election. I will not vote for a candidate that cannot admit he lost. There were many policies that Trump had that I agreed with. It is a shame he seems incapable of being upfront with the American people
 
Yet, Trump keeps spouting that the election was rigged and stolen from him. That means he believes the fraud was enough to change the outcome of the election.

Do you believe Trump in his stolen election stance? If so, what evidence convinced you. Provide a link.
I have posted multiple times including today that I believe the election was rigged, though not quite in the manner that Trump believes. My belief is that the mad covid 19 pandemic porn rush to unsecure mass mailout balloting qualifies as rigging the election. I have no faith in the results in those states. I do not need to provde a link for that. Other then that, yes, I believe fraud of the type Trump accused, occurred at some level, just not at a proven level enough to overturn the results.
 
I have posted multiple times including today that I believe the election was rigged, though not quite in the manner that Trump believes. My belief is that the mad covid 19 pandemic porn rush to unsecure mass mailout balloting qualifies as rigging the election. I have no faith in the results in those states. I do not need to provde a link for that. Other then that, yes, I believe fraud of the type Trump accused, occurred at some level, just not at a proven level enough to overturn the results.

imo, your belief is misguided.
Take a close look at the number of audits done in Arizona and follow up research. How can anyone continue to believe the election was rigged in 2020 in Arizona.
Yet, today we have all of the Republicans running for Governor stating they believe it was rigged. They all are strong Trump supporters.
 
and you most like bought into his bs.
Seems you believe it is ok for a candidate to spread false statements.

Trump was wrong regarding Arizona and the election. I will not vote for a candidate that cannot admit he lost. There were many policies that Trump had that I agreed with. It is a shame he seems incapable of being upfront with the American people
So primarily, you are enraged that he did not accept the results of the election. So be it. However his beliefs are not a crime. You cannot legislate belief. As I have already stated, I think it's time for Trump to move on and think more about 2024 if he intends to run. It's also time for the democrats to move on. It's not really about Trump. They are more concerned that nearly half the population also harbors some doubts about the 2020 election.
 
imo, your belief is misguided.
Take a close look at the number of audits done in Arizona and follow up research. How can anyone continue to believe the election was rigged in 2020 in Arizona.
Yet, today we have all of the Republicans running for Governor stating they believe it was rigged. They all are strong Trump supporters.
When you think of the term "rigged" regarding the 2020 election or any election, what would be examples of rigging?
 
imo, your belief is misguided.
Take a close look at the number of audits done in Arizona and follow up research. How can anyone continue to believe the election was rigged in 2020 in Arizona.
I am not sure which part of" I believe the election was rigged differently then what Trump believes" you do not understand.
Yet, today we have all of the Republicans running for Governor stating they believe it was rigged. They all are strong Trump supporters.
I am a Trump supporter, though actually more of a populist conservative movement supporter and I believe the election was rigged by the means I mentioned. And I would believe that no matter what Trump did or said. I just have no faith whatsoever in rushed unsecure mass mailout balloting. However the 2020 election is done and gone. I just want to feel assured that no future elections will be rigged.
 
And by "blown up" you mean proven.

But democrats are nothing if not persistent liars.



democrats are masters of the big lie - tell an outrageous lie - repeat it over and over, and some will start to believe it.

{Both Engel and Ornato are prepared to testify that Trump did not go for Engel's throat or attempt to seize the wheel, according to CNN. An unidentified Secret Service source added that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that story.}


But refuting the lie has no impact on the Reich



Repeating Hutchinson's perjury doesn't change reality.

9 Secret Service Agents have refuted her, all willing to testify under oath.

Not that it matters to the sycophants.

your fuhrer’s penchant for infantile temper tantrums is very very well known.

His desire to go to the capitol to lead his coup was attested to by his own chief of staff and his daughter, and the White House counsel. None of whom are anonymous.
 
So primarily, you are enraged that he did not accept the results of the election. So be it. However his beliefs are not a crime. You cannot legislate belief. As I have already stated, I think it's time for Trump to move on and think more about 2024 if he intends to run. It's also time for the democrats to move on. It's not really about Trump. They are more concerned that nearly half the population also harbors some doubts about the 2020 election.
nope.
disappointed Trump lied to the public on many things.
 
nope.
disappointed Trump lied to the public on many things.
Libruls much overuse the temr "lied" to the point where it becomes meaningless. in any case, if you are that enraged of lies, you shoud be angry as Dementia Joey, Nasty Nancy and many other in your own party.
 
Yet, Trump keeps spouting that the election was rigged and stolen from him. That means he believes the fraud was enough to change the outcome of the election.

Do you believe Trump in his stolen election stance? If so, what evidence convinced you. Provide a link.
I have had this question for several years now.
Back in 2016 Trump started his " The election is rigged " BS and aren't elections that are " rigged " usually rigged in favor of the winner?
and didn't Trump win the 2016 election ?
So IF he won and he said it was rigged they should look into what info he had to make him believe it was rigged and if he knew it was rigged is he with holding info of election tampering?
Have a nice day
 
Libruls much overuse the temr "lied" to the point where it becomes meaningless. in any case, if you are that enraged of lies, you shoud be angry as Dementia Joey, Nasty Nancy and many other in your own party.

and use of "Libruls" is overused. :whistle:

Funny. I am not a Democrat. Interesting how you believe when someone disagrees with you they must be a D.
 
and use of "Libruls" is overused. :whistle:

Funny. I am not a Democrat. Interesting how you believe when someone disagrees with you they must be a D.
Fair enough. Many assume that because I am a conservative and a Trump supporter that I must be a republican. I have not been since 1989.
 
While it's time for him to move on and concentrate on 2024 if he plans on running again, there is no law that he must concede. And the transfer of power despite the 1/6 riot was peaceful. And what specific laws is he proven to have broken?
I didn't say he broke the law by conceding, I said he should have conceded but instead pushed on and appears to have broken several laws:

Fraudulent electoral slates
Fraudulent DOJ document
Fraudulent Electoral Defense Task Force
Criminal negligence/involuntary manslaughter
Witness Tampering

And yeah, the transfer of power did end up being peaceful...after it wasn't for nearly 4 hours. :)

Because they had in in for Trump from the beginning. No objectivity.
Less than a month after 1/6/21 I created the OP in my sig. So far the committee has confirmed everything I said in there, and has refuted nothing. It didn't require "having it out for Trump" to arrive at these conclusions. Remember I voted for him in 2016. It required objectivity to see what was plainly obvious. If it wasn't obvious to you as well, and you too are being objective, then we must be operating with a vastly different set of facts.

As for republicans on the committee, the republican leadership should have been allowed to pick them. The suggestion that they had conflicts of interest due to having voted not to certify the results is ludicrous. You cannot have it both ways. You have argued that it's not a court. And voting against certification is not a crime and does not need to be investigated.
You're right that it's not a crime, but I disagree that it doesn't need to be investigated. If those Republicans dishonestly or criminally helped Trump in any other way then the American people deserve to know that. And the committee isn't just looking for criminal behavior, they're also finding and reporting objectively immoral behavior for the court of public opinion regarding some of our elected officials and their fitness to serve.
 
Your leader Nancy flushed 200+ years of history down the toilet. Unprecedented.
Trump flushed 250 years of the peaceful transition of power down the toilet yet you're still wringing your hands about this. Why do you consider that more important?

You know full well that McCarthy is the one to blame, not Pelosi, yet you're still blaming Pelosi. Why do you think that makes any sense?
 
So primarily, you are enraged that he did not accept the results of the election. So be it. However his beliefs are not a crime. You cannot legislate belief. As I have already stated, I think it's time for Trump to move on and think more about 2024 if he intends to run.
The man repeatedly rejected the information and advice of his own people, and continued to believe a theory that he himself invented months before the election was even held. He's lost either his respect for the truth (if he ever had that lol) or his attachment to reality. And that doesn't even consider the crimes he appears to have committed, or the multiple examples of his inability to keep his temper in check. He's not fit to serve cheeseburgers, much less public office.

@ElChupacabra made an outstanding comment a few posts back:

This is also pertinent when you think about this in terms of a president's ability to listen to advisers on serious national emergencies. It's a bit disturbing to think a president is going to tune out what everyone on his team is telling him and try to go rogue.
 
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The man repeatedly rejected the information and advice of his own people, and continued to believe a theory that he himself invented months before the election was even held. He's lost either his respect for the truth or his attachment to reality. And that doesn't even consider the crimes he appears to have committed, or the multiple examples of his inability to keep his temper in check. He's not fit to serve cheeseburgers, much less public office.
Considering that some of what he allegedly said and did (lunging at SS agent, grabbing steering wheel) turned out not to be true, hard to judge how much else was embellished.
This is also pertinent when you think about this in terms of a president's ability to listen to advisers on serious national emergencies. It's a bit disturbing to think a president is going to tune out what everyone on his team is telling him and try to go rogue.
Trump is not an establishment politician. He took a bull in a china shop approach to status quo politics in Washington. That is the secret to his success. As for "going rogue", that's merely projection.
 
All lies and when is the committee going to interview the secret service officers that were actually present? They aren't because it puts the truth to their lies.
 
Considering that some of what he allegedly said and did (lunging at SS agent, grabbing steering wheel) turned out not to be true, hard to judge how much else was embellished.
That didn't turn out to be untrue. That can never happen unless a relevant person testifies under oath to dispute it. Short of that, it makes no sense to let Twitter hearsay override witness testimony under oath.

Trump is not an establishment politician. He took a bull in a china shop approach to status quo politics in Washington. That is the secret to his success.
Yes, that's why I voted for him in 2016. We need someone like him who is not dishonest and unhinged. Agree?

As for "going rogue", that's merely projection.
He certainly went rogue on his stolen election beliefs, refusing over and over to listen to his own investigators that nothing was there and seeking out unqualified yes-men like Jeffery Clark to help spread known lies. Do you honestly think he wouldn't try to do something like that again?
 
Did you read the EO, cpwill, or have you become so shallow in your reasoning that you posted that because the headline says what you want it to say?

Setting aside that the EO was never filed, which itself goes a long way to dispelling your nonsense, the EO doesn't call up the National Guard, it is a figment of the imagination of whoever it is you have surrendered your reasoning to.
Did you read it? Or perhaps I should ask can you read it?

"Accordingly, I hereby order
(1) Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention under United States Code Title 42, Sections 1974-1974(e), including but not limited to those identified in footnote 1. The Secretary of Defense has discretion to determine the interdiction of national critical infrastructure supporting federal elections. Designated locations will be identified in the operation order...

(5) The Secretary of Defense may select by name or by unit federalization of appropriate National Guard support. "
 
Considering that some of what he allegedly said and did (lunging at SS agent, grabbing steering wheel) turned out not to be true, hard to judge how much else was embellished.

Trump is not an establishment politician. He took a bull in a china shop approach to status quo politics in Washington. That is the secret to his success. As for "going rogue", that's merely projection.
Not at all considering what we know about members of his team told him about the election not being fraudulent. Despite this, he proceeded to find different avenues to get the results he wanted. That's certainly the going rogue scenario I was referring to, and could easily be replicated in any other scenario were he still in power. Mind you, he's still pushing the same narrative.
 
"Anonymous Sources" = "we're lying."

9 Secret service agents - using their real names - will testify that Adam Shiff (Nazi, CA) suborned perjury with the script Hutchinson read for the Inquisition.

CNN comes back with "Hey, we made shit up"
Let us know when they do.. Until then that's just hearsay too.
 
That didn't turn out to be untrue. That can never happen unless a relevant person testifies under oath to dispute it. Short of that, it makes no sense to let Twitter hearsay override witness testimony under oath.
Using that logic I can just as easily say that the 1/6 committee is full of shit taking Huchisons second or third hand info as gospel rather then calling in the Secret Service agents in for direct first hand accounts. And the reports of the agents and driver disputing her account did not come from Twitter, it came from mainstream news sources. You are asking us to accept 2nd hand hearsay, but you are demanding that we don't accept second hand accounts of the agents saying: "Didn't happen."
Yes, that's why I voted for him in 2016. We need someone like him who is not dishonest and unhinged. Agree?
The dishonesty aspect is projection. Much of the unhinged aspect is embellished. As for 2024, my vote will go to whichever candidate convinces me that the populist conservative movement continues. If it's Trump so be it. If it's Desantis, so be it. If it's Ted Cruz, so be it.
He certainly went rogue on his stolen election beliefs, refusing over and over to listen to his own investigators that nothing was there and seeking out unqualified yes-men like Jeffery Clark to help spread known lies. Do you honestly think he wouldn't try to do something like that again?
Do something like what again?
 
Not at all considering what we know about members of his team told him about the election not being fraudulent. Despite this, he proceeded to find different avenues to get the results he wanted. That's certainly the going rogue scenario I was referring to, and could easily be replicated in any other scenario were he still in power. Mind you, he's still pushing the same narrative.
Going rogue would be refusing to hand over power to Dementia Joey and his team. Trump is entitled to his doubts. I would not have gone quite as far as he did to dispute the results and it's time for him to move on, however there is no law that says he has to believe a certain way.
 
Going rogue would be refusing to hand over power to Dementia Joey and his team. Trump is entitled to his doubts. I would not have gone quite as far as he did to dispute the results and it's time for him to move on, however there is no law that says he has to believe a certain way.
He can believe what he wants, but if he is using those beliefs to circumvent the electoral process, then that's an entirely different matter. What he did was still going rogue because he pursued his belief about the election well beyond what is afforded to him by law and took action. I am not concerned about a president's beliefs so long as they know where their personal beliefs end and their responsibilities as leaders begin.
 
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