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Ahmaud Arberry got shot for attacking a professional with a gun...not for "jogging while black"

You don't need an ACTUAL crime, you just have to have Reasonable
Suspicion a crime was committed

If you're walking down the street and someone points at a man who's running away from them and screams he stole my cell phone and wedding ring you're allowed to detain him even though you didn't witness him commit a crime

that's called civilization
That didn't happen. For a misdemeanor, they have to witness the crime. What forcible felony did the McMichael's have immediate knowledge of probable cause of when Gregory saw Ahmaud running down the road?
 
There was nothing legal about what those dumbass buffoons did. You can't legally citizens arrest anyone unless you saw them commit a crime. You can't even arrest them if someone told you they saw him commit a crime. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Arberry defended himself instead of doing whatever those trailer-trash ass-holes thought they were going to make him do.

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Citizen’s arrest
A private person can only make a citizen’s arrest if they see another person committing a crime. A citizen's arrest occurs when a citizen prevents a suspect from leaving a scene.

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so you believe you're not allowed to arrest someone you have immediate knowledge has committed a crime in the state of GA?

You do realize that several neighbors were pointing at arberry as he fled the scene of his crime
 
That didn't happen. For a misdemeanor, they have to witness the crime. What forcible felony did the McMichael's have immediate knowledge of probable cause of when Gregory saw Ahmaud running down the road?
Burglary

(several local residents were identifying him as a burglar when the McMichaels gave Chase)
 
so you believe you're not allowed to arrest someone you have immediate knowledge has committed a crime in the state of GA?

You do realize that several neighbors were pointing at arberry as he fled the scene of his crime
Gregory, Travis and Roddy did not see that, so they had no knowledge of that, so it can't be a basis for a citizen's arrest. Not to mention, having someone pointed out to you does not give you probable cause a specific crime has been committed.
 
Burglary

(several local residents were identifying him as a burglar when the McMichaels gave Chase)
I responded to that. Burglary requires he took something. What did he take?
 
if we were jogging we aren't fleeing. and if some dudes (like in downtown Chicago) rush up on us you're damn right i'd do anything to protect my wife first and myself second.

why won't you say if you believe in Christian teachings (or not)?
if you enter into someone's property without their permission and are confronted by someone and FLEE LIKE A CRIMINAL they have Reasonable Suspicion to believe you committed a criminal act and are allowed to pursue you verbally ordering you to halt your flight as they have called law enforcement and if you're stupid enough to attack these people they are allowed to defend themselves

* even in Chicago

I don't care about your religious mumbo-jumbo
 
Gregory, Travis and Roddy did not see that, so they had no knowledge of that, so it can't be a basis for a citizen's arrest. Not to mention, having someone pointed out to you does not give you probable cause a specific crime has been committed.
The notorious serial killer Richard Ramirez was identified from a photograph while he was in a store... even though no one saw him commit a crime the citizens chased him down and beat him until the cops arrived

Your worldview would have allowed Richard to escape

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I responded to that. Burglary requires he took something. What did he take?
Reasonable Suspicion of burglary does not require an actual theft and I hear he did take something but I don't have Ironclad proof of it so I won't bring it up in this debate
 
The notorious serial killer Richard Ramirez was identified from a photograph while he was in a store... even though no one saw him commit a crime the citizens chased him down and beat him until the cops arrived

Your worldview would have allowed Richard to escape

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No, recognizing a fugitive is not the same thing as seeing someone engaged in a legal activity and assuming they've committed a crime.
 
Reasonable Suspicion of burglary does not require an actual theft and I hear he did take something but I don't have Ironclad proof of it so I won't bring it up in this debate
They didn't even know he was in the house under construction that day. They had reasonable suspicion of nothing. Gregory knew he had been in the place before, and assumed he was the one who'd stolen a gun out of Travis's truck months earlier. You can't make a citizen's investigative detention (which is what they said they were trying to do) on a crime that occurred months ago.
 
You don't need an ACTUAL crime, you just have to have Reasonable
Suspicion a crime was committed

If you're walking down the street and someone points at a man who's running away from them and screams he stole my cell phone and wedding ring you're allowed to detain him even though you didn't witness him commit a crime

that's called civilization
Looking at those guys you gotta wonder if those white boys were looking for a new Geek for their basement.

Where they can live out their interracial gay fantasies where none of their buddies would see them.

Had to be one of the things ahmaud was worried about.

Remember, they teach children to not left somebody take you. To fight and kick and scream. Because if they take you away you probably will never be seen again.
 
Good Old Boys Club. Ex cop.
He worked with the DA on the case as an investigator. He called and left her a message from the scene of the crime. Then she told the police not to arrest them, swept it under the rug for as long as she could, then kicked it to another DA with a clear COI who also hamstrung the case.

"Jackie, this is Greg," the elder McMichael is heard saying in the voicemail. "Could you call me as soon as you possibly can? My (inaudible) and I been involved in a shooting and I need some advice right away. Could you please call me, as soon as you possibly can? Thanks. Bye."
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noooooo, arberry was robbing and then he started punching
Robbing?
Georgia Code § 16-8-40
(a) A person commits the offense of robbery when, with intent to commit theft, he takes property of another from the person or the immediate presence of another:

(1) By use of force;

(2) By intimidation, by the use of threat or coercion, or by placing such person in fear of immediate serious bodily injury to himself or to another; or

(3) By sudden snatching.

So from whom did he rob?

If he stole anything (or it could be shown he intended to steal) from the property, it would have been Burglary. Anyone remotely related to law enforcement should know the difference.

As for trespass: § 16-7-21
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she intentionally damages any property of another without consent of that other person and the damage thereto is $500.00 or less or knowingly and maliciously interferes with the possession or use of the property of another person without consent of that person.

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; or

(3) Remains upon the land or premises of another person or within the vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant to depart

Clearly none of those apply.

Now let's look at the McMichaels
§ 17-4-60
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

So they were not conducting a lawful citizen's arrest because they witnessed no crime.

§ 16-5-20
(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:

(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another;  or

(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

Your claim is that Arbery violated (1), but the McMichaels violated (2) first, making them the aggressors. But wait, there's more

§ 16-5-21c(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;

(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;

(3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation;  or

(4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.

So by blocking Arbery, unlawfully trying to detain him while holding deadly weapons, putting him in reasonable fear of immediate injury or death, the McMichaels committed aggravated assault.
 
where did you hear that?

I believe Larry English installed the no trespassing sign when he installed the security system because he got robbed so many times

Of course he didn't get shot for illegally entering a property he got shot for attacking two men with guns
You believe? Based on what? Multiple news reports stated there was no sign, and I have not read any that said there was.
 
You don't need an ACTUAL crime, you just have to have Reasonable
Suspicion a crime was committed

If you're walking down the street and someone points at a man who's running away from them and screams he stole my cell phone and wedding ring you're allowed to detain him even though you didn't witness him commit a crime

that's called civilization
No, not suspicion.... witness or immediate knowledge. The McMichaels had neither.
 
so you believe you're not allowed to arrest someone you have immediate knowledge has committed a crime in the state of GA?

You do realize that several neighbors were pointing at arberry as he fled the scene of his crime
Doesn't matter. You can't make a citizens arrest unless you saw him commit a crime.
This is what the lead investigator of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation says about it...

""I don't believe it was self-defense by Mr. McMichael. I believe it was self-defense by Mr. Arbery. I believe Mr. Arbery was being pursued, and he ran until he couldn't run anymore. And it was: turn his back to a man with a shotgun, or fight with his bare hands against a man with a shotgun, and he chose to fight"


He knows a little bit more than you do about the case and his opinion is worth a little bit more than yours.
 
noooooo, arberry was robbing and then he started punching

Is anybody stupid enough to still think he was jogging in long cotton cargo shorts and loose laced high tops many miles from his home

LOL@ "jogging"
... too bad he decided to jog through a crime scene

😂
Well, no. He was jogging. He was not "robbing". The 3 hicks where not law enforcement. The 3 hicks did instigate the encounter. Arbery did attempt to defend himself from the Hicks. Making shit up is not a good debate tactic. You should learn facts and the law.
 
Racism isn't illegal so even if these guys did hate black people it wouldn't make defending themselves from a black person illegal

Anti-white racism is mythical?

But due to the woke media and justice system, they’re gonna be punished as murderers. That’s what I’m laughing at!

Yup.
 
The notorious serial killer Richard Ramirez was identified from a photograph while he was in a store... even though no one saw him commit a crime the citizens chased him down and beat him until the cops arrived

Your worldview would have allowed Richard to escape

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No, in that case he was "fleeing from a felony".
 
if you enter into someone's property without their permission and are confronted by someone and FLEE LIKE A CRIMINAL they have Reasonable Suspicion to believe you committed a criminal act and are allowed to pursue you verbally ordering you to halt your flight as they have called law enforcement....
True. But that does not apply in this case. He wasn't confronted while on the property.
 
if you enter into someone's property without their permission and are confronted by someone and FLEE LIKE A CRIMINAL they have Reasonable Suspicion to believe you committed a criminal act and are allowed to pursue you verbally ordering you to halt your flight as they have called law enforcement and if you're stupid enough to attack these people they are allowed to defend themselves

* even in Chicago

I don't care about your religious mumbo-jumbo
In Georgia, you are only allowed to make a citizen's arrest if you see the crime take place. It really would help if you knew the law you are trying to talk about.
 
To be fair, “immediate knowledge” also applies. So if someone is robbed and you do not see the actual robbery but hear a cry for help and see someone running with a purse, then that would be legit
True, but it does not fit in this case. But yeah, it does say that, which is why I linked to the law. I was trying to save having to type a few words, but it seems to have backfired...
 
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