African-Americans still supporting Biden

[AtlantaAdonis]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

 

[Deuce]

I think black people are capable of assessing who to vote for just as well as I am.

 

[Surrealistik]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

We're more than a year out, and we're only two debates in, so I wouldn't worry too much. Biden has been decaying pretty much since he announced.

Having said that, I agree the support of Biden makes basically no sense; most of it appears to be attributable to the Obama halo effect/connection than anything else, which is ironic because Obama picked him primarily to appeal to whites.

 

[Bucky]

I think black people are capable of assessing who to vote for just as well as I am.

the OP assumes blacks are some sort of large monolithic group that thinks and acts the same way.

 

[Amelia]

"Reparations" is the way to get Trump reelected.

 

[Outlook]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

African Americans don’t want open borders so they are happy with the racist, sexist Biden.

 

[AtlantaAdonis]

I think black people are capable of assessing who to vote for just as well as I am.

I think there's a lot of collective anguish and shellshock from African-Americans not just from institutional racism but from the horrors of the Trump presidency and they're all just reaching for what is familiar. With proper outreach to these communities they can be won over.

 

[Chillfolks]

I think there's a lot of collective anguish and shellshock from African-Americans not just from institutional racism but from the horrors of the Trump presidency and they're all just reaching for what is familiar. With proper outreach to these communities they can be won over.

Or maybe these communities are weighing all the options and determining for themselves who can best represent them.

 

[swing_voter]

Isn't affirmative action reparations?

You get a good job you can buy what you want.

 

[Phys251]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

Unless you're Black, maybe you should do a better job of learning WHY Blacks are shifting back to Biden from Harris.

I'll give you a hint. It starts with E and ends with L-E-C-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y.

 

[roughdraft274]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

Votes aren't just based on "what did the candidate promise me" or "did he make a mistake 20 years ago?"

It's still early, but Biden has very high name recognition and might poll higher until the contest gets narrowed down if for nothing other than that. Also, it's entirely possible that a black person would assume that Biden supported the idea of the crime bill back then as did most people, but has learned since then that it didn't have the intended consequences. There is something to say for learned lessons.

Also, it's easy to only discuss the very obvious problems created by the bill, but the bill also contained a number of things universally agreed upon by everyone as a good thing and some provisions that most progressives very much still support.

It helped create sex offender registries.
Assault weapons ban
etc.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I think black people are capable of assessing who to vote for just as well as I am.

Yep, and it would appear that the majority are simply not as Progressive as the OP author.

 

[Phys251]

Votes aren't just based on "what did the candidate promise me" or "did he make a mistake 20 years ago?"

It's still early, but Biden has very high name recognition and might poll higher until the contest gets narrowed down if for nothing other than that. Also, it's entirely possible that a black person would assume that Biden supported the idea of the crime bill back then as did most people, but has learned since then that it didn't have the intended consequences. There is something to say for learned lessons.

Also, it's easy to only discuss the very obvious problems created by the bill, but the bill also contained a number of things universally agreed upon by everyone as a good thing and some provisions that most progressives very much still support.

It helped create sex offender registries.
Assault weapons ban
etc.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which even representatives such as Bernie Sanders voted for, is one of the most misunderstood and morally complicated acts of Congress of the 1990s.

One has to remember what the context of this act was. This was less than a year after the Branch Davidians siege. This was during a time when violent crime was significantly higher than it is now. This was after years of the crack cocaine epidemic, which fueled much of this violence.

For any politician in either political party to pick up a reputation as being "soft on crime" was a career death sentence. Michael Dukakis found that out the hard way in 1988.

 

[Surrealistik]

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which even representatives such as Bernie Sanders voted for, is one of the most misunderstood and morally complicated acts of Congress of the 1990s.

One has to remember what the context of this act was. This was less than a year after the Branch Davidians siege. This was during a time when violent crime was significantly higher than it is now. This was after years of the crack cocaine epidemic, which fueled much of this violence.

For any politician in either political party to pick up a reputation as being "soft on crime" was a career death sentence. Michael Dukakis found that out the hard way in 1988.

Bernie was very vocally against the things in the bill (including at the time that it was authored/passed) that Biden loved about it though and that the latter personally made sure to add; the reason for his vote is that there were legitimately good things bound up with it, not because he agreed with the moronic/myopic 'get tough on crime' elements.

 

[Phys251]

Bernie was very vocally against the things in the bill that Biden loved about it though, including at the time; the reason for his vote is that there were legitimately good things bound up with it.

That's just it--by today's standards it is a mixed bag, but by 1990s standards it was more good than bad.

Even by those antiquated standards it could have done without removing educational opportunities for prisoners, however.

 

[Surrealistik]

That's just it--by today's standards it is a mixed bag, but by 1990s standards it was more good than bad.

Even by those antiquated standards it could have done without removing educational opportunities for prisoners, however.

Sure, but with mixed bags like these, you have to pay attention to why politicos are actually voting for/legislating the thing. In Biden's case he supported and authored it for all the wrong reasons, which is why he should be held to account specifically.

 

[Phys251]

Sure, but with mixed bags like these, you have to pay attention to why politicos are actually voting for/legislating the thing. In Biden's case he supported and authored it for all the wrong reasons, which is why he should be held to account specifically.

That gets into the mire of whether one's motives are more important than one's actions. You suggest they are, I say the actions are more important.

 

[Surrealistik]

That gets into the mire of whether one's motives are more important than one's actions. You suggest they are, I say the actions are more important.

Even if you value actions above motives, he was directly responsible for the tough on crime components of the bill, and motives remain important.

 

[Moot]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

Wow...so why do you assume African Americans are incapable of thinking for themselves? That's kinda racist, you know.


Black women are fast becoming the most educated demographic in the country. They also happen to be a major voting block in the democrat party and have increased their numbers in congress to 20 and almost got a black woman elected governor of a southern state. So to say they don't know what's in their best interest is just the ol southern plantation massa talkin and they ain't about to vote for that.

 

[Rickeroo]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

From the article:

Women Democrats go 31 percent for Biden, 24 percent for Warren, 10 percent for Sanders and 7 percent for Harris;

It also seems that women are voting against their interests. Don't they know that Warren has a who-who rather than a dingle between her legs, and thus is more able to represent women?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

We're more than a year out, and we're only two debates in, so I wouldn't worry too much. Biden has been decaying pretty much since he announced.

Having said that, I agree the support of Biden makes basically no sense; most of it appears to be attributable to the Obama halo effect/connection than anything else, which is ironic because Obama picked him primarily to appeal to whites.

the OP assumes blacks are some sort of large monolithic group that thinks and acts the same way.

I think there's a lot of collective anguish and shellshock from African-Americans not just from institutional racism but from the horrors of the Trump presidency and they're all just reaching for what is familiar. With proper outreach to these communities they can be won over.

None of you understand how the black community votes. They aren't a monolith by any stretch of the term, but historically speaking, they tend to reach a consensus on a good winning horse & largely vote as a unified demographic - it's why black support was initially very strong for Hillary, up until Obama actually started gaining ground in other demographics. The black community doesn't support Biden, so much as they oppose Trump - and there isn't a single Democratic candidates whose merit outweighs Trump's lack of merit, not even Bernie or Warren. I imagine that as long as Biden is polling the best against Trump, that's who they're going to have their wagon hitched to.

Or maybe these communities are weighing all the options and determining for themselves who can best represent them.

Unless you're Black, maybe you should do a better job of learning WHY Blacks are shifting back to Biden from Harris.

I'll give you a hint. It starts with E and ends with L-E-C-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y.

These guys get it. ^^

 

[Surrealistik]

None of you understand how the black community votes. They aren't a monolith by any stretch of the term, but historically speaking, they tend to reach a consensus on a good winning horse & largely vote as a unified demographic - it's why black support was initially very strong for Hillary, up until Obama actually started gaining ground in other demographics. The black community doesn't support Biden, so much as they oppose Trump - and there isn't a single Democratic candidates whose merit outweighs Trump's lack of merit, not even Bernie or Warren. I imagine that as long as Biden is polling the best against Trump, that's who they're going to have their wagon hitched to.

I don't think of them as a monolith by any stretch, but I do think that the Obama effect is a powerful one, and one that directly feeds into the notion of electability, which yes, I agree is huge. Having said that, Biden is such a terrible candidate from a black vantage, at least relatively speaking, that there has to be more than just said notion of electability at work here.

 

[OrphanSlug]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

This is precisely the kind of **** I am talking about.

We are literally watching a set of candidates that lean further left tear each other a new one, and mainly watching them focus on Biden. Simply because while Biden was further left under Obama's time of Democrats, he is now not near left enough with this lot of hopeful idiots determined to hand Trump a 2nd term.

Watching these debate and seeing hints of going after Obama's legacy (with Biden in hand) is stupid.

Obama, still today, has an overwhelming approval rating among minorities and Democratic voters yet now we see people here complaining that some minorities *should* vote a certain way as if they should be mindless idiots to today's furthest left candidate. As if any voting group should be narrow minded into one or two issues. Biden, by this very polling, is still very popular among the same groups and you complain?

This is why liberals lose too often, if they are so damn right then the best response I have is we ended up with Trump.

You still lost. Democrats assumed then who their base should vote for, and now you are gunning to do it again in 2020.

Obama both excited the voter and applied a little hope for tomorrow when doing so. He spoke in a way the left leaning Independent did not hear before. Warren nor Harris seems to be able to pull that off. A couple of quick whips here and there in debate, a talking point on CNN here and there, but overall they are all reminding that Democrats did not learn *anything* in 2016.

Hillary did not win in key districts in key states that Obama pulled off twice, and running this bunch of liberal extremists is doubling down on the arrogant assumption of who you think any group should vote for. Don't roll up in here after 2020 complaining about the loss, you refused to listen to the very voters you needed. Reparations is not going to be enough to buy that vote this time, and the lessons Obama taught us you are clearly ignoring by going after Biden with the same asinine assumption Warren, Harris and others are under.

Build on what Obama and Biden accomplished then, instead of ripping it all down because neither one was liberal enough for the furthest left today.

 

[btthegreat]

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.

It does not matter whether it is a progressive or not or their position on reparations. I am just hoping whoever it is, can pass a cognitive assessment test to screen for impairment of function. I sincerely believe there is a problem with Biden.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Or maybe these communities are weighing all the options and determining for themselves who can best represent them.

Wow...so why do you assume African Americans are incapable of thinking for themselves? That's kinda racist, you know.

What were you expecting from the blatant parody account? A reasonable, thought-provoking OP?