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Getting back to the issue of A.A. I simply cannot wrap my head around the "why" have an issue with it. Lots of people in this thread have made good points and ones I have heard before but it does not change the reality that AA is needed.
Why can't people understand it is needed? I think think this is the main reason WHY it is still needed is because people do not understand we still have racism.
The problem is that the AA that is "needed" has nothing in common with the AA that is actually practiced.
I tend to agree. If AA programmes were reorganised to focus on economic deprivation, rather than social group membership, many of the gripes and anomalies would disappear.
Of course, there would still be people who believe that society functions just fine without any intervention, but Rivrrat apart I think that widespread public support for such a move would result.
Andalublue said:I tend to agree. If AA programmes were reorganised to focus on economic deprivation, rather than social group membership, many of the gripes and anomalies would disappear. Of course, there would still be people who believe that society functions just fine without any intervention, but Rivrrat apart I think that widespread public support for such a move would result.
Affirmative action is just as racist and denying someone a job because they are black. Essentially they are using racism to "fix" a racist (in their wrong opinion) workforce. We should have laws against discrimination, but we should have policies and incentives more pushing racism in the form of affirmative action. Also, I think it's wrong that there are "black only" scholarships.
Race based scholarships initially were because of the lack of funding for minority's back in the day when they literally had nothing available.
Now days anyone can set up any scholarship fund for any reason. So it is kind of a dead issue.
Even if minorities had nothing they still shouldn't have their own scholarship. Instead they should have made a scholarship for those who are poor regardless of race.
We do have the Pell Grant (of which I am a receiver), but we also have scholarships for simply being African American. An ironic thing is that there was a white guy from South Africa who moved to the US. He signed up for the African American scholarship (because technically he is African American) and was denied it because he was white. Would it be racist if there was a whites only scholarship fund?
Essentially they are giving free money to those of a certain race, while at the same time denying others that money because of their race and having less in other scholarships because the blacks only scholarship does suck up funding.
Getting back to the issue of A.A. I simply cannot wrap my head around the "why" have an issue with it. Lots of people in this thread have made good points and ones I have heard before but it does not change the reality that AA is needed.
Why can't people understand it is needed? I think think this is the main reason WHY it is still needed is because people do not understand we still have racism.
Even if minorities had nothing they still shouldn't have their own scholarship. Instead they should have made a scholarship for those who are poor regardless of race. We do have the Pell Grant (of which I am a receiver), but we also have scholarships for simply being African American. An ironic thing is that there was a white guy from South Africa who moved to the US. He signed up for the African American scholarship (because technically he is African American) and was denied it because he was white. Would it be racist if there was a whites only scholarship fund? Essentially they are giving free money to those of a certain race, while at the same time denying others that money because of their race and having less in other scholarships because the blacks only scholarship does suck up funding.
If it's a public scholarship, that's wrong. I believe though that it's a private scholarship so they can do whatever they want. If I want to set up a scholarship for white, female, Wiccan triathletes it's my money and my choice.
Racism and sexism are needed? Since when?
no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
glad you finally agree
no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
glad you finally agree
I tend to agree. If AA programmes were reorganised to focus on economic deprivation, rather than social group membership, many of the gripes and anomalies would disappear. Of course, there would still be people who believe that society functions just fine without any intervention, but Rivrrat apart I think that widespread public support for such a move would result.
Racism and sexism are needed? Since when?
no they are not, which is why AA was established to level the playing field for all races and genders
glad you finally agree
But as I pointed out people would just bitch and gripe about helping poor people.
They already do in reguards to a lot of social programs and welfare. People would just resent and hate poor people even more than they already do
I do not consider it racism and sexism. You do. The reason we need it is because people who are doing the hiring think like some of you in this thread. This thread is a major prime example of the WHY we need AA.
I do not consider it racism and sexism. You do. The reason we need it is because people who are doing the hiring think like some of you in this thread.
What precisely are examples in this thread of why we need AA? Minorities in this thread explaining how condescending and insulting it is? People in this thread with the knowledge that minorities are quite capable of handling their lives without the government requiring people to hire them?This thread is a major prime example of the WHY we need AA.
What I'd prefer to see in place of AA, Welfare and a whole lot of other crap, is a program designed to help someone who doesn't have marketable job skills. Get them retrained to do another job, one that is in demand, and back in the workforce being productive. That's a hand UP instead of a handOUT.
THAT kind of social safety net is one I could live with.
Possibly there was a need for AA back forty years ago... I believe that need has evaporated with changes in our society.
I agree that AA was once needed but never in the way it was practiced. Telling second generation American Jewish boys they can't get into Harvard or Michigan Law with 4-0 averages because some black loafer with a 3.0 needed that slot more because his great great great great great grandparent was sold into slavery by his great great great great great great second cousin and because the Jewish Guy's ancestors were in poland when that stuff was going on (but hey he is white so he must have been Robert E Lee's direct descendent) is complete and utter BS and racist.
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