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Add USPS to the List Dems can Use In Nov

That does not sound like an "e-packet" it came too quick. It was not shipped by air by the USPS either.

Not sure why "e-packet" is part of this, the package came from Amazon. Are you saying that the post office only delivers "e-packs" for Amazon? If that is the only thing that USPS delivers for Amazon, why was my ink delivered by them. The ink was packaged in a 8 1/2 by 11 orange envelope and had a USPS address label on it.

The 2 cities that I tracked these packages were air hubs - Memphis TN and Wilmington Ohio. Therefore, the USPS was flying this package from California. It appears that UPS turned the package over to the Post Office in California. Once under the post offices' control, they then re-routed it and turned it back over to an air carrier to fly it via Memphis (Fedex?) and flew it to the mail hub in Wilmington Ohio. Sometimes I see that they (USPS) also use Rickenbacker Field in the Columbus area.

You understand that the USPS does not have any aircraft but turns to commercial carriers - charter carriers - UPS - Fedex and other air carriers under contracts to carry the mail for them under the USPS name. When I started working at the airlines, 1973, the post office would come plane side and we would off load 2-3 thousand pounds of mail right into their trucks.
 
Not sure why "e-packet" is part of this, the package came from Amazon. Are you saying that the post office only delivers "e-packs" for Amazon? If that is the only thing that USPS delivers for Amazon, why was my ink delivered by them. The ink was packaged in a 8 1/2 by 11 orange envelope and had a USPS address label on it.

The 2 cities that I tracked these packages were air hubs - Memphis TN and Wilmington Ohio. Therefore, the USPS was flying this package from California. It appears that UPS turned the package over to the Post Office in California. Once under the post offices' control, they then re-routed it and turned it back over to an air carrier to fly it via Memphis (Fedex?) and flew it to the mail hub in Wilmington Ohio. Sometimes I see that they (USPS) also use Rickenbacker Field in the Columbus area.

You understand that the USPS does not have any aircraft but turns to commercial carriers - charter carriers - UPS - Fedex and other air carriers under contracts to carry the mail for them under the USPS name. When I started working at the airlines, 1973, the post office would come plane side and we would off load 2-3 thousand pounds of mail right into their trucks.

My comment was directed to a blog that claimed the post office was losing money on every e- packet from China. Your package did not apply. E-packets are direct mail from Chinese companies selling here online.
 
My comment was directed to a blog that claimed the post office was losing money on every e- packet from China. Your package did not apply. E-packets are direct mail from Chinese companies selling here online.

OK... missed that.
 
No it hasn't.
If it wasn't for the 2006 PAEA USPS would be at least breaking even every year. The PAEA spells a $5Bn ransom every year, to "pay for health and other employee benefits 75 years into the future."
Can anyone name a single company that has to pre-pay bennies 75 years into the future?

This is an intentional sabotage of what I thought was a constitutionally protected agency created by Ben Franklin, for the sole benefit of either FedExc or UPS. If you like paying eight bucks to mail a letter, or in my case, TEN bucks to ship a DVD, (I currently ship for FREE) then you'll love privatizing mail delivery.

If you don't, then this stinks to high heaven.
If you don't know about the PAEA, you might want to read up on it.

I'm definitely not an expert on PAEA and I appreciate the link to provide a bit of context. After doing some reading about PAEA and the pre-funding requirements, I did come across a report published by the Government Accountability Office in 2012 discussing the financial status of the Post Office and alternative approaches to fund retiree health benefits. In the report, it states that the funding requirements cover a broader window of 50+ years, where set amounts were established for a 10 year period to cover the liability for current retirees and the projected liability for current employees (and required fixed payments larger than a 50 year amortization schedule would indicate), with a followup in 2017 to develop a 40-year amortization schedule. It also noted it did not consider future employee benefits who had not yet joined USPS.

Page 2 - Findings

The Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Fund (PSRHBF) covered about 49
percent of the U.S. Postal Service’s (USPS) $94 billion retiree health benefit
liability at fiscal year-end 2012. USPS’s deteriorating financial outlook, however,
will make it difficult to continue the current prefunding schedule in the short term,
and possibly to fully fund the remaining $48 billion unfunded liability over the
remaining 44 years of the schedule on which the 2006 Postal Accountability and
Enhancement Act (PAEA) was based. The liability covers the projected benefits
for about 471,000 current postal retirees and a portion of the projected benefits
for about 528,000 current employees; it does not cover employees not yet hired.
Under PAEA, USPS is responsible for contributing an additional $33.9 billion to
the PSRHBF by fiscal year 2017, including the $11.1 billion USPS has defaulted
on over the past 2 years. PAEA also requires the Office of Personnel
Management (OPM) to calculate the remaining unfunded liability in 2017 and
develop an initial 40-year amortization payment schedule. USPS, however,
projects further declines in mail volume and revenues that may continue to limit
its ability to prefund the remaining retiree health benefit liability.

Page 13 - Background

Contrary to statements made by some employee groups and other stakeholders,
PAEA did not require USPS to prefund 75 years of retiree health benefits
over a 10-year period. Rather, pursuant to OPM’s methodology, such
payments would be projected to fund the liability over a period in excess
of 50 years, from 2007 through 2056 and beyond (with rolling 15-year
amortization periods after 2041). However, the payments required by
PAEA were significantly “frontloaded,” with the fixed payment amounts in
the first 10 years exceeding what actuarially determined amounts would
have been using a 50-year amortization schedule.

Status, Financial Outlook, and Alternative Approaches to Fund Retiree Health Benefits - Government Accountability Office
 
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I'm definitely not an expert on PAEA and I appreciate the link to provide a bit of context. After doing some reading about PAEA and the pre-funding requirements, I did come across a report published by the Government Accountability Office in 2012 discussing the financial status of the Post Office and alternative approaches to fund retiree health benefits. In the report, it states that the funding requirements cover a broader window of 50+ years, where set amounts were established for a 10 year period to cover the liability for current retirees and the projected liability for current employees (and required fixed payments larger than a 50 year amortization schedule would indicate), with a followup in 2017 to develop a 40-year amortization schedule. It also noted it did not consider future employee benefits who had not yet joined USPS.

Page 2 - Findings



Page 13 - Background



Status, Financial Outlook, and Alternative Approaches to Fund Retiree Health Benefits - Government Accountability Office

Still, NO business in America, or I daresay even the world, has been subjected to this, and it's a deliberate effort to destroy the USPS.
Additionally, the USPS was NEVER designed to make a profit like a business in the first place, it was designed to provide a taxpayer and fee based public service. If it breaks even, it's doing well. If it manages to post a tiny profit, which it occasionally did prior to the PAEA, it's a minor miracle.

The other thing which is clear is that taxes will NOT GO DOWN significantly if we sink the Post Office, not the point where Americans will suddenly see hundreds or thousands more in their checks.

Another thing which is clear is, if we do privatize postal service, mail rates will skyrocket, and service will be cut dramatically, to the point where something like a third of postal customers will no longer get their mail delivered to a mailbox. Nope, those people will have to TRAVEL to go get their mail, and if that's an everyday routine, add the fuel costs and travel time to the expense in addition to eight bucks per First Class letter*

*(educated guess based on approximate FedEx rates to ship an envelope that size and weight)

And...FedEx will probably try to SUE states where mail delivery sinks to extremely low levels, to make up for lost profits, just as private corrections companies do when their prisons are too empty.
In other words, privatization GUARANTEES LESS SERVICE AT HIGHER COST.

It's the most incredibly stupid decision ever made with regard to maintaining the basic institutions that create civilized life in a modern industrial society.

And by the way, what DOES HAPPEN to all the billions the USPS was already forced to PAY since 2006?
Wanna bet that won't get refunded but will instead somehow wind up in someone's bank account?

Our postal service will quickly begin to resemble today's Sears & Roebuck, with Eddie Lampert at the helm.
The United States Post Office IS "civilization"...AMEN.

Oh, by the way, when all those veterans who get meds by mail find that they have to pay 15-20 bucks per delivery, I wonder how they will feel.
 
Still, NO business in America, or I daresay even the world, has been subjected to this, and it's a deliberate effort to destroy the USPS.
Additionally, the USPS was NEVER designed to make a profit like a business in the first place, it was designed to provide a taxpayer and fee based public service. If it breaks even, it's doing well. If it manages to post a tiny profit, which it occasionally did prior to the PAEA, it's a minor miracle.

The other thing which is clear is that taxes will NOT GO DOWN significantly if we sink the Post Office, not the point where Americans will suddenly see hundreds or thousands more in their checks.

Another thing which is clear is, if we do privatize postal service, mail rates will skyrocket, and service will be cut dramatically, to the point where something like a third of postal customers will no longer get their mail delivered to a mailbox. Nope, those people will have to TRAVEL to go get their mail, and if that's an everyday routine, add the fuel costs and travel time to the expense in addition to eight bucks per First Class letter*

*(educated guess based on approximate FedEx rates to ship an envelope that size and weight)

And...FedEx will probably try to SUE states where mail delivery sinks to extremely low levels, to make up for lost profits, just as private corrections companies do when their prisons are too empty.
In other words, privatization GUARANTEES LESS SERVICE AT HIGHER COST.

It's the most incredibly stupid decision ever made with regard to maintaining the basic institutions that create civilized life in a modern industrial society.

And by the way, what DOES HAPPEN to all the billions the USPS was already forced to PAY since 2006?
Wanna bet that won't get refunded but will instead somehow wind up in someone's bank account?

Our postal service will quickly begin to resemble today's Sears & Roebuck, with Eddie Lampert at the helm.
The United States Post Office IS "civilization"...AMEN.

Oh, by the way, when all those veterans who get meds by mail find that they have to pay 15-20 bucks per delivery, I wonder how they will feel.

Yes, agree .. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why fixed payments were required for the first 10 years which were significantly over funded compared to a 50-year amortization schedule. I definitely agree the USPS needs to cover its current liabilities and forecast/plan for its future liabilities. The 2012 report made a few alternative recommendations, including a pay-as-you-go model. My question would be: Is the USPS capable of supporting this model?

On your other note, privatizing the USPS would make it compete with its competitors, and I'm not sure the USPS could support this model given you pay less to send a letter across the United States then you do for a cup of coffee.
 
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Since the carriers they have work five day a week, how do you propose getting past the union agreements? How many more carriers would they have to hire to deliver 50% more mail per day?

Do you ever do any critical thinking?

Provide a copy of the union agreement since you've read it. Around here, nearly all carriers are non-union contract labor using their own vehicles.

Delivery personnel will go to the same number of addresses, not 50% more.

Your message are another example of how errified and hate mongering worshipers of the secular religion of materialistic greed from sermons of their tele-evangelist preachers and prophets of your super rich man-gods inherently lack critical thinking ability.
 
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Provide a copy of the union agreement since you've read it. Around here, nearly all carriers are non-union contract labor using their own vehicles.

Delivery personnel will go to the same number of addresses, not 50% more.

Your message are another example of how errified and hate mongering worshipers of the secular religion of materialistic greed from sermons of their tele-evangelist preachers and prophets of your super rich man-gods inherently lack critical thinking ability.

So you have rural carriers.

The mail per delivery will be 50% more. That's more time.
 
USPS has been on the ropes for years. No fan of Trump, but this is a hard one to hang on him, imo.


The term “unsustainable business model” comes to mind.

I'd rather do my business online instead of snail mail, esp now. So that makes me guilty as well.
 
No it hasn't.
If it wasn't for the 2006 PAEA USPS would be at least breaking even every year. The PAEA spells a $5Bn ransom every year, to "pay for health and other employee benefits 75 years into the future."
Can anyone name a single company that has to pre-pay bennies 75 years into the future?

This is an intentional sabotage of what I thought was a constitutionally protected agency created by Ben Franklin, for the sole benefit of either FedExc or UPS. If you like paying eight bucks to mail a letter, or in my case, TEN bucks to ship a DVD, (I currently ship for FREE) then you'll love privatizing mail delivery.

If you don't, then this stinks to high heaven.
If you don't know about the PAEA, you might want to read up on it.

I was hoping that someone would mention this legislation. The USPS has been sabotaged by the GOP as a way of boosting the coffers of the UPS and Fed-Ex.
 
I was hoping that someone would mention this legislation. The USPS has been sabotaged by the GOP as a way of boosting the coffers of the UPS and Fed-Ex.

Don't forget google. When is the last time any of us sent a handwritten letter via USPS?
 
I'd rather do my business online instead of snail mail, esp now. So that makes me guilty as well.

So would I but you can't send a movie in disc form "online" and most of my audience wants a physical copy, like a DVD or Blu-Ray.
No USPS means I'll have to charge between six and ten bucks to ship it.

Now add in all the other people who ship products by mail.
 
I was hoping that someone would mention this legislation. The USPS has been sabotaged by the GOP as a way of boosting the coffers of the UPS and Fed-Ex.

I wish you guys would stop the propaganda.

The democrats were in full agreement with it.
 
Don't forget google. When is the last time any of us sent a handwritten letter via USPS?

I do occasionally. I have a love of fountain pens and I enjoy writing. I also send cards.

Do you understand how much it would cost to send documents if we only had Fed-X or UPS? It's $3-5.00 with USPS and $15.00 for Fed-Ex if they will deliver to rural locations.

Package delivery is the future and Fed-X and UPS need that competition.
 
So would I but you can't send a movie in disc form "online" and most of my audience wants a physical copy, like a DVD or Blu-Ray.
No USPS means I'll have to charge between six and ten bucks to ship it.

Now add in all the other people who ship products by mail.

Still, lot less mail traffic these days. Not sure if all the junk mail makes up for what we rather text or send online. We throw lots of paper in the recycle.
 
I do occasionally. I have a love of fountain pens and I enjoy writing. I also send cards.

Do you understand how much it would cost to send documents if we only had Fed-X or UPS? It's $3-5.00 with USPS and $15.00 for Fed-Ex if they will deliver to rural locations.

Package delivery is the future and Fed-X and UPS need that competition.

You are better off to ship with Fed-X or UPS if you have something that can break. The USPS is brutal with packages.
 
Wow, 630,000 more lost jobs!

Keep the country shut down long enough and everything will go under, restaurants, airlines, retailers, banks, you name it. If nobody is making an income then nobody can buy or sell anything and businesses vanish. The government cannot print enough money to save them and it would be worthless if they did. The time is soon coming when we need to get the country back to work or face indefinite depression. The left wanted a recession to sink Trump. Keep it up and we'll get something much worse.
 
I wish you guys would stop the propaganda.

The democrats were in full agreement with it.



Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (2006; 109th Congress H.R. 22) - GovTrack.us

How many other corporations have to prepay their pensions?

P.S., The vast majority are severely underfunded.

When will Mitch allow the Senate to take a vote on this.......?

The House on Wednesday voted to end the U.S. Postal Service’s mandatory payments toward the health benefits for future retirees, advancing a measure that would eliminate a controversial requirement the cash-strapped mailing agency has defaulted on for years.

Congress first established the prefunding mandate in the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, the last major legislative overhaul of the Postal Service, and the requirement has hampered the agency ever since. Shortly after the law’s passage, the recession hit and mail volume began to decline precipitously. That trend has continued to this day, leaving USPS without the financial means to make the annual payments and forcing it to default on them while absorbing the losses on its balance sheet.

The Postal Service has lost money for 13 consecutive years and a majority of those losses stemmed from the prefunding requirement. In fiscal 2019, for example, 83% of the $8.8 billion the agency lost came from payments into its retiree pension fund and retiree health benefits fund. Critics of the mandate include a range of Republicans, Democrats, mailers and labor unions. They have estimated the law requires USPS to fund the benefits for retirees up to 75 years in the future, an obligation virtually no other government entities face.

House Votes to End Controversial USPS Payments for Future Retirees' Health Care - Government Executive
 
You are better off to ship with Fed-X or UPS if you have something that can break. The USPS is brutal with packages.

I have had better luck with USPS. UPS mangles things and is almost imposible to get damage refunds from.
 
Keep the country shut down long enough and everything will go under, restaurants, airlines, retailers, banks, you name it. If nobody is making an income then nobody can buy or sell anything and businesses vanish. The government cannot print enough money to save them and it would be worthless if they did. The time is soon coming when we need to get the country back to work or face indefinite depression. The left wanted a recession to sink Trump. Keep it up and we'll get something much worse.

The shutdown was caused by Trump's refusal to act in time when he was told in December and January on the virus, so the states had to act.
 
The shutdown was caused by Trump's refusal to act in time when he was told in December and January on the virus, so the states had to act.

Baloney. The first known Chinese case was 12/31 yet the Chinese had known about the virus for two months by then and knew it was easily spread. In the meantime, 460,000 Chinese people traveled to the US potentially spreading the virus to people who had no reason to think they were in danger. This is exactly why the situation has been so bad in Italy. They have tens of thousands of Chinese working there, most from Wuhan. That doesn't even take into account the numbers of tourists going all over the country. So, instead of your knee jerk reaction against Trump which isn't based in facts, perhaps place the blame where it squarely belongs, on the duplicitous, lying Chinese government.
 
Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (2006; 109th Congress H.R. 22) - GovTrack.us

How many other corporations have to prepay their pensions?

P.S., The vast majority are severely underfunded.

When will Mitch allow the Senate to take a vote on this.......?



House Votes to End Controversial USPS Payments for Future Retirees' Health Care - Government Executive

I know what would help the USPS stop losing money...start gradually replacing the neighborhood postal vans with electric vehicles.
Sure, it's an initial expense but they would last virtually forever, like most Priuses, and those vans seldom if ever go more than 45 mph tops, so it's not like you would need a very sophisticated drivetrain.

The larger postal vehicles might need to remain petrol or diesel powered for a while longer but THIS does NOT NEED to be gasoline powered:

USPS-Mail-Truck.jpg


And those Grumman LongLife trucks only get about 13 mpg.
The USPS is spending billions on GASOLINE.
 
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