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Absolute, unmitigated failure.

RAMOSS said:
Before the virus got entrenched there was testing, face masks and physical distancing.
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What does that mean, exactly? Are you saying that their equivalent to the CDC didn't tell them that they don't need to wear masks at a time when wearing masks could have prevented a massive spread like we had?

When did the German government tell its people to social distance and wear masks and when did, say, the California government do it?
 
ReubenSherr said:
This is because CNN is broadcast all over the Europe, they are embarassing the hell out of us.

We had 554 deaths yesterday, nationwide. Our death rate is lower than a majority of countries in the European Union.

And our economic numbers are looking a lot better than most as well. It's all a balancing act.
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The truth embarrasses you?

And we just had the largest contraction in US economic history. 32.9% in one quarter.
 
Tlrmln said:
What does that mean, exactly? Are you saying that their equivalent to the CDC didn't tell them that they don't need to wear masks at a time when wearing masks could have prevented a massive spread like we had?

When did the German government tell its people to social distance and wear masks and when did, say, the California government do it?
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Why, this is the timeline Emerging COVID-19 success story: Germany’s strong enabling environment - Our World in Data

Outbreak timeline

The first case in Germany was reported on January 27in Bavaria. On February 1, the government further clarified reporting obligations and mandated that all health care providers report suspected cases of COVID-19 within 24 hours to local public health authorities.10 On February 27, with a total of 26 confirmed cases, the government set up an inter-ministerial national crisis management group. The next day, the government required all travelers entering the country from high-risk areas (such as, at that time, areas in China or Italy) to provide information about possible previous exposure and contact details.11 Testing is available at no cost to the patient upon medical or epidemiological indication and testing for epidemiological indications was also recently included in asymptomatic contacts or screenings. RKI began issuing daily situation reports for the national and international public health sector on January 23, although the first reports were confidential due to the granularity of the data.

Risk assessments and technical guidelines for testing, case finding, contact tracing, hygiene, and disease management, as well as various other documents, have been available since January 16. At the end of February and beginning of March, mass gatherings and travel were increasingly restricted. On March 10, mass gatherings with more than 1,000 participants were prohibited. In mid-March the federal states started to close schools. On March 18, non-EU citizens were barred from entering the European Union for 30 days.12 On March 22, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that the federal states and national government had jointly decided to implement a “contact ban,” limiting public gatherings to two people (outside families), requiring physical distance of at least approximately 5 feet (1.5 meters), and closing many businesses. The contact ban was not a lockdown: The population remained free to leave the house, such as for walks. On April 10, all travelers arriving in Germany, regardless of their origin, were required to quarantine for 14 days.

All of these measures paid off. By April 15, when new cases reported per day numbered approximately 2,000 (compared to a peak in March of 6,000), the government announced a gradual easing of physical distancing measures. Thus far, the relaxation of these physical distancing measures has not caused an increase in new infections. On May 22, there were 460 new infections, indicating that Germany’s contact tracing and robust testing and treatment strategies may have brought the country through the most severe portion of the outbreak.
 
For all the bitching about president Trump you all know that Biden will never be elected president.
It would be impossible for him to handle the required duties of the office of president.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Our death rate, per worldometer, is 3.2%. 5,234,578 cases with 165,971 deaths.

Greece has a death rate, per worldometer, of 3.7%. 5,749 cases with 213 deaths.

Germany has a death rate, per worldometer, of 4.2%. 218,499 cases with 9,265 deaths.

Ireland has a death rate, per worldometer, of 6.6%. 28,768 cases with 1,772 deaths.

Spain has a death rate, per worldometer, of 7.7%. 370,060 cases with 28,576 deaths.

The Netherlands has a death rate, per worldometer, of 10.4%. 59,194 cases with 6,157 deaths.

Italy has a death rate, per worldometer, of 14.0%. 250,825 cases with 35,209 deaths.

The United Kingdom has a death rate, per worldometer, of 14.9%. 311,641 cases with 46,526 deaths.

France has a death rate, per worldometer, of 15.3%. 197,921 case with 30,324 deaths.
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Your words - "Our death rate is lower than most of the European Union." No link to "worldometer"

This is one of those cases where the old proverb, There are types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics

The numbers I provided were for deaths per million population, the numbers you have given us are for deaths per cases. The statistic you choose to prove a point will always have an 'out'.

BUT - you still have not shown the readers that MOST of the European Union has a higher death rate than the USA
 
RAMOSS said:
Except, neither GDP or GNI was mentioned. 'Richest' was. Why are you moving goal posts?
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No. The original claim was "one of the highest GDP per capita on Earth."

You don't even know what argument you're defending.
 
Luce said:
Not sure why any regular person would care more about GDP than GNI.
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I'm willing to bet that if you asked nicely someone would explain it to you.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Don't create a false equivalency. Prior to Trump taking office, we still had one of the highest per-capita GDPs on earth, we still were the world's only superpower, and most importantly, we had not lost over 160,000 Americans in just 4 months. We are a nation that has less than 5% of the world's population, a population density that is not that high and thus not conducive to rapid disease spread, yet we lead the world in Covid-19 deaths. Don't pretend we would be in this situation with any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 40 years or more.
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Not sure what Metric Mouse was alluding to, but at least in the last few decades, it seems America has become more-and-more polarized. There is plenty of blame and reasons for this, striating with Bush's "you're either with us or against us."
 
Middleground said:
Not sure what Metric Mouse was alluding to, but at least in the last few decades, it seems America has become more-and-more polarized. There is plenty of blame and reasons for this, striating with Bush's "you're either with us or against us."
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It actually started earlier than Bush. The polarization actually started in the mid 90's with Newt GrinGriches handbook to the CPAC about what words to use. He encouraged to use words that 'poisoned the well'
 
Somerville said:
Your words - "Our death rate is lower than most of the European Union." No link to "worldometer"

This is one of those cases where the old proverb, There are types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics

The numbers I provided were for deaths per million population, the numbers you have given us are for deaths per cases. The statistic you choose to prove a point will always have an 'out'.
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???

I was citing the fatality rate, deaths per cases.

Many posters, on many other threads, have referred to this as the death rate.

In any case, we have a lower fatality rate than most countries in the European Union.
 
Somerville said:
BUT - you still have not shown the readers that MOST of the European Union has a higher death rate than the USA
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If we have lower deaths per cases than most of the European Union, but, as you say, more deaths per capita compared to the E. U., then that means our cases, in general, are milder. Which is exactly what Trump has been claiming.

This discrepancy would indicate that there are many more undiagnosed mild or asymptomatic cases in Europe.
 
ReubenSherr said:
If we have lower deaths per cases than most of the European Union, but, as you say, more deaths per capita compared to the E. U., then that means our cases, in general, are milder. Which is exactly what Trump has been claiming.

This discrepancy would indicate that there are many more undiagnosed mild or asymptomatic cases in Europe.
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So what you're saying is, what little success we've had has been luck.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Our death rate, per worldometer, is 3.2%. 5,234,578 cases with 165,971 deaths.

Greece has a death rate, per worldometer, of 3.7%. 5,749 cases with 213 deaths.

Germany has a death rate, per worldometer, of 4.2%. 218,499 cases with 9,265 deaths.

Ireland has a death rate, per worldometer, of 6.6%. 28,768 cases with 1,772 deaths.

Spain has a death rate, per worldometer, of 7.7%. 370,060 cases with 28,576 deaths.

The Netherlands has a death rate, per worldometer, of 10.4%. 59,194 cases with 6,157 deaths.

Italy has a death rate, per worldometer, of 14.0%. 250,825 cases with 35,209 deaths.

The United Kingdom has a death rate, per worldometer, of 14.9%. 311,641 cases with 46,526 deaths.

France has a death rate, per worldometer, of 15.3%. 197,921 case with 30,324 deaths.
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Who’s stupid or dishonest enough to calculate a death rate per number of cases instead of population?


Oh.

Right.
 
Threegoofs said:
You apparently are unfamiliar with the ****hole known as ‘The Lake of the Ozarks’.
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Way too many people. I do like Netflix Ozark, however.
 
Threegoofs said:
Who’s stupid or dishonest enough to calculate a death rate per number of cases instead of population?
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Deaths per number of cases indicates the severity of the cases in each country. ;)

This is the exact point Trump has been making, our cases are less severe than most in the European Union.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Deaths per number of cases indicates the severity of the cases in each country. ;)

This is the exact point Trump has been making, our cases are less severe than most in the European Union.
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Because we’re special?

Because the virus is afraid of Trump?

Or because we are in the middle of this, and a whole lotta people who are currently hospitalized are still going to die?

Pick one.
 
Threegoofs said:
Because we’re special?

Because the virus is afraid of Trump?

Or because we are in the middle of this, and a whole lotta people who are currently hospitalized are still going to die?

Pick one.
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Because so many states are involved with precautionary testing of asymptomatic people.

Just like Trump has repeated over and over for you.
 
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