Fu_chick said:It is fair to say that many of the same Christians who are against abortion are also for the death penalty. The argument is that a fetus is an innocent human life and therefore should not be killed, where as the death row inmate has committed murder therefore deserving death. However, one of the key elements of Christianity is original sin, so if a fetus is a human being, then Christianity itself says that it cannot be innocent-it is born with the human stain. Therefore, IMHO the Christian idea that abortion is the killing of an innocent human life is inherently flawed, as in the eyes of Christianity you are born a sinner. Any thoughts?
cnredd said:Yeah...this thread is stupid...:doh
cnredd said:Yeah...this thread is stupid...:doh
Fu_chick said:I'm so sorry, I didn't realize that someone was forcing you to read the thread against your will. :roll:
jallman said:Now what was the point of that?
jallman said:That was the sound of someone who cannot make an argument at all against what you said. Though it may not be relevant to the whole prolife/prochoice argument, it represents one of the paradoxes of the republican/conservative philosophy. When faced with one, they tend to mutter nonsense until they repress it, thus keeping them always infallible in their minds.
cnredd said:If you'll notice, my "argument" was thrown out 12 minutes after your little broad-brush generalization. I can safely assume that you're smart enough to belive me when I say that my post took longer than 12 minutes to produce?
That should prove that my response was to your earlier post, and not something I quickly came up with in an attempt to prove you wrong.
This part of your sentence...Though it may not be relevant to the whole prolife/prochoice argument...is the thrust of my "stupid" comment. There are reasonable stances on both sides...fu_chicks thread doesn't fall under any of them...
Please take time to read my comments in"Abortion - My take on the abortion issue...Post #129"
You'll see that my personal stance is in direct contrast to my political stance...That pretty much negates your "republican/conservative philosophy"
tripe. Before reading my post, you think I follow the "Conservative pamphlet" to a tee...Afterward, I bet you'll be telling people I should give in my Conservative membership card...Be prepared to feel foolish....
I wouldn't expect anything more...Both sides take an extremely emotional position to the subject, and lash out at anyone who doesn't march with the same step...Your commects prove that...I would hope that, from now on, you do a little more typing from the brain and a little less typing from the heart.
BTW - Look at the responses to my posts....I get "beat up" equally by both sides...
Fu_chick said:It is fair to say that many of the same Christians who are against abortion are also for the death penalty. The argument is that a fetus is an innocent human life and therefore should not be killed, where as the death row inmate has committed murder therefore deserving death. However, one of the key elements of Christianity is original sin, so if a fetus is a human being, then Christianity itself says that it cannot be innocent-it is born with the human stain. Therefore, IMHO the Christian idea that abortion is the killing of an innocent human life is inherently flawed, as in the eyes of Christianity you are born a sinner. Any thoughts?
vergiss said:Cnredd - she didn't say all Christians believe one way or the other, just many. Also, I know a fair bit about Christianity (my younger sister converted), so I know that in the eyes of your God sin is technically irrelevant, so long as you accept Jesus. Wouldn't that kind of cancel out any killing you've done?
Sweet deal, really. Be a Christian, do whatever the Hell you please, and still get into the afterlife, while Gandhi ended up God knows where.
Also, I've heard plenty of Christians say the opposite - that all sin is the same. So which is it?
vergiss said:Cnredd - she didn't say all Christians believe one way or the other, just many. Also, I know a fair bit about Christianity (my younger sister converted), so I know that in the eyes of your God sin is technically irrelevant, so long as you accept Jesus. Wouldn't that kind of cancel out any killing you've done?
Sweet deal, really. Be a Christian, do whatever the Hell you please, and still get into the afterlife, while Gandhi ended up God knows where.
Also, I've heard plenty of Christians say the opposite - that all sin is the same. So which is it?
vergiss said::lol: :doh
Thank you, guys, you just proved my point without even realising. Blogger31 says that all sins are equal - and in the next post, cnredd says that the seriousness differs from sin to sin!
I daresay you ought to sort out what God really is saying before you start preaching to anyone else.
FuFu_chick said:It is fair to say that many of the same Christians who are against abortion are also for the death penalty. The argument is that a fetus is an innocent human life and therefore should not be killed, where as the death row inmate has committed murder therefore deserving death. However, one of the key elements of Christianity is original sin, so if a fetus is a human being, then Christianity itself says that it cannot be innocent-it is born with the human stain. Therefore, IMHO the Christian idea that abortion is the killing of an innocent human life is inherently flawed, as in the eyes of Christianity you are born a sinner. Any thoughts?
Fu_chick said:It is fair to say that many of the same Christians who are against abortion are also for the death penalty. The argument is that a fetus is an innocent human life and therefore should not be killed, where as the death row inmate has committed murder therefore deserving death. However, one of the key elements of Christianity is original sin, so if a fetus is a human being, then Christianity itself says that it cannot be innocent-it is born with the human stain. Therefore, IMHO the Christian idea that abortion is the killing of an innocent human life is inherently flawed, as in the eyes of Christianity you are born a sinner. Any thoughts?
guns_God_glory said:Not for the death penalty but thats not what i want to get into. The thing is killing any other human is WRONG be it a baby inside a woman or a cereal killer.
vergiss said::lol: :doh
Thank you, guys, you just proved my point without even realising. Blogger31 says that all sins are equal - and in the next post, cnredd says that the seriousness differs from sin to sin!
I daresay you ought to sort out what God really is saying before you start preaching to anyone else.
cnredd said:So one has to be right...unless there is a "gray area" that I am uninformed of...
Frequently Asked Questions
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SINS: MORTAL AND VENIAL
http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu06.htm#answer2
Look at Blogger31's sentence...
That is why I don't get the whole Christians against gays thing.
That sounds like it's coming from someone on the outside looking in, doesn't it?
I'm not big on the whole religion thing...I'm 35 and haven't been to a non-wedding or non-funeral mass since high school...
But I do believe in a personal relationship with the Big Dog....People can try to "wiggle" and "squirm" like lawyers to get around certain beliefs and attempt to justify their own actions...But God knows whats up...
That's why I get offended when non-Christians try to use the bible or what another Christian says to prove a point....I have no one to speak for me but myself...and two Christians who differ on philosophy or beliefs IS okay...There doesn't have to be a "groupthink" mentality...
vergiss said:Sweet deal, really. Be a Christian, do whatever the Hell you please, and still get into the afterlife, while Gandhi ended up God knows where.
mistermain said:What religion are you referring to, because Christianity does not teach this. And what about Gandhi?
Didache? Where in the Bible is that? Is that part of Jesus' words?ScottMarian said:Steen:
Look the Apostles wrote against abortion in the Didache
:rofl :yawn:Steen I suggest you learn to read.
Being stupid is not a gift.
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