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Abolish ICE

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Josie

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Not the cubed or crushed kind ... although crunching ice should be outlawed.

Do you think Immigration and Customs Enforcement needs to be abolished?

If yes, please explain why and what the country would look like without it.
If no, please explain why and any other commentary you'd like to add to your answer.
 
It's not going away for at least 3.5 years.
 
Can we please flush every alphabet soup agency down the toilet and back into the sewer from which they came?
 
No.

Unless one believes in totally open borders and no immigration laws at all, then we need someone to enforce them.

I'm all for more legal immigration. I'm all for giving amnesty to some (but not all) of the illegal immigrants already here, coupled with securing the border so that we don't need to do it again in 20 years.

But we still need an agency to enforce the law. Anyone who believes in lawlessness - whether it's leftists who want to defund ICE and gaslight that there's no a border problem at all, or MAGA hats who want to ignore due process when deporting people - is not going to have a lasting policy impact on the country. We need a sustainable immigration regime that upholds the law, rather than oscillating between two forms of lawlessness every four years.
 
Gatsby said:
No.

Unless one believes in totally open borders and no immigration laws at all, then we need someone to enforce them.

I'm all for more legal immigration. I'm all for giving amnesty to some (but not all) of the illegal immigrants already here, coupled with securing the border so that we don't need to do it again in 20 years.

But we still need an agency to enforce the law. Anyone who believes in lawlessness - whether it's leftists who want to defund ICE and gaslight that there's no a border problem at all, or MAGA hats who want to ignore due process when deporting people - is not going to have a lasting policy impact on the country. We need a sustainable immigration regime that upholds the law, rather than oscillating between two forms of lawlessness every four years.
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The trust in ICE is gone. We need a new one without the fascist baggage.
 
aociswundumho said:
Can we please flush every alphabet soup agency down the toilet and back into the sewer from which they came?
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Can the average American, standing on a street corner in an American city, name all the government agencies who can arrest him?
Speaking as a Canadian, it would be the city police and the RCMP. In Ontario and Quebec they have provincial police.
But America, with the county sheriff and city police and state police and FBI and ATF and DEI and who knows who else, with more prisoners than any other country, is the Land Of The Free!
 
Mr Person said:
Because there's nothing in between.

:rolleyes:

Stupid question and we all know why it is asked.
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There is nothing in between you are correct. Its time to abolish this damnable thug institution. They are brutalizing citizens on camera in Oklahoma.
 
Grand Mal said:
Can the average American, standing on a street corner in an American city, name all the government agencies who can arrest him?
Speaking as a Canadian, it would be the city police and the RCMP. In Ontario and Quebec they have provincial police.
But America, with the county sheriff and city police and state police and FBI and ATF and DEI and who knows who else, with more prisoners than any other country, is the Land Of The Free!
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It is a prison country coming for the “desirables”
 
Josie said:
Not the cubed or crushed kind ... although crunching ice should be outlawed.

Do you think Immigration and Customs Enforcement needs to be abolished?

If yes, please explain why and what the country would look like without it.
If no, please explain why and any other commentary you'd like to add to your answer.
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No, because we need people to enforce our immigration and customs laws.
 
Josie said:
Not the cubed or crushed kind ... although crunching ice should be outlawed. Do you think Immigration and Customs Enforcement needs to be abolished? If yes, please explain why and what the country would look like without it. If no, please explain why and any other commentary you'd like to add to your answer.
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Abolishing? Yes. We need to start fresh with specific limits on ICE's power. The fact that ICE gave itself power over so much of the US and people just allowed them to do it is a complete shame. They're allowed to operate pretty anywhere in the US and not just the border? It's a disgrace really.
 
Noodlegawd said:
No, because we need people to enforce our immigration and customs laws.
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What does that mean specifically? For example, if there is a town 50 miles from the border, does ICE have any sort of jurisdiction to operate in that town?
 
Scatty Kitty said:
What does that mean specifically? For example, if there is a town 50 miles from the border, does ICE have any sort of jurisdiction to operate in that town?
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ICE are feds. Hypothetically they have jurisdiction anywhere in the US

They've been detaining people far from border towns
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Abolishing? Yes. We need to start fresh with specific limits on ICE's power. The fact that ICE gave itself power over so much of the US and people just allowed them to do it is a complete shame. They're allowed to operate pretty anywhere in the US and not just the border? It's a disgrace really.
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They often dont need to even identify themselves
 
Scatty Kitty said:
What does that mean specifically? For example, if there is a town 50 miles from the border, does ICE have any sort of jurisdiction to operate in that town?
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Why wouldn't they? They aren't just ICE-for-border-towns.
 
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