(ABC News) Trump says ceasefire negotiations between just Russia and Ukraine to start 'immediately'

[Risky Thicket]

Supposedly it was a two hour conversation, they had to have a bit of filler.

Trump snored away for an hour and a half while Putin left the call until Trump farted and woke himself up to finish the call.

 

[911Sparky]

It looks like we're getting a somewhat different take on this, from Putin himself.

Putin is categorically & specifically stating there will be no ceasefire, and insisted his country's "maximalist" objective remains!

I knew Trump was full of it.

Here:

Trump and Putin hold phone call but Kremlin refuses Ukraine ceasefire

Trump describes call as ‘excellent,’ despite Putin’s lack of support for ceasefire that US said was primary objective

www.theguardian.com

I would love to read a transcript of the conversation.

 

[Chomsky]

Ordianarily, leaders can accomplish a LOT in a two hr phone call. ...Unless.......one of them is Trump who has verbal diarrhea and can ramble about nonsense, and the other is Putin who is playing the foolish Trump..... No one knows exactly what they talked about........but again...one can assume quite safely, nothing of substance was discussed..........except vague generalities ...."negotions will begin immediately..." means nothing in the real world...particularly, after the number of meet up's , Putin being a no show , and now the failed grand promise of results by a bellicose Trump who exaggerates his skills, abilities and is out of his league when it comes to Putin.Trump is making signs of walking away.......and letting Putin and Ukraine sort it out. (after claiming he would end the war on day one of his administration). The buffoon is too dumb to be embarrassed by his own exaggerated comments.

I see two possible scenarios concerning the phone call.

1] Trump got nowhere, and is giving-up.

2[ Trump was offered enough personal effects, that he is acquiescing in return.

 

[911Sparky]

Trump snored away for an hour and a half while Putin left the call until Trump farted and woke himself up to finish the call.

This may be the most likely scenario of all.

 

[Chomsky]

I would love to read a transcript of the conversation.

Trump seems to have broken-away from that tradition.

 

[911Sparky]

Trump seems to have broken-away from that tradition.

He does seem shy about the public learning the contents of his conversations with Putin.

 

[Hamish Howl]

you're right - Putin invaded full on Ukraine during Trump's presiden ............ oh gosh, no, he didn't .... he did that during weak Biden's term, didn't he ?

You're correct.

But Trump has been sucking Putin's arse ever since.

 

[Chomsky]

He does seem shy about the public learning the contents of his conversations with Putin.

He apparently had no transcripts of his last term's meeting with Putin. And he meets alone in private supposedly, without support staff.

I seem to recall last time he didn't have his own translator, but rather used the Russian translator.

The guy's mafioso-like. He never commits to written records.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Trump says ceasefire negotiations between just Russia and Ukraine to start 'immediately'

President Donald Trump held a high-stakes call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday over the war in Ukraine.

abcnews.go.com

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Trump just finished his phone-call with President Putin to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace-deal, and has released a statement.

However, I can't say I see any substance in Trump's statement. In fact, it doesn't seem to say much of anything.

Am I missing something?

Nope, it’s as clear as mud. Putin’s ‘terms’ seem to include getting handed more Ukrainian territory than he currently occupies and placing limits on (increased?) Ukrainian defense forces.

 

[Sage077]

Trump isn't trying hard to broker a peace in Ukraine. He really isn't.

He's more concerned about the event schedule at the Kennedy Center.

He's more concerned about investigating Springsteen, Oprah, and Obama for voting for Harris.

He's more concerned about planning his multi-million dollar birthday party (at public cost).

He's more concerned about crypto coin opportunities.

He's more concerned about daily tee times and golf partners.

He's more concerned about his midnight chats with Laura Loomer.

He's more concerned about ripping up the White House Rose Garden and converting it to a concrete outdoor bar and disco.

He's more concerned about adding additional decorative gold items to the Oval Office.

He's more concerned about getting a big-ass jet from Qatar.

He's more concerned with seeing naked pictures of Bondi.

He's obsessed with his IQ score.

He's very concerned with what the Saudi's think about him.

He's more concerned about trafficking relocating one million Palestinians out of Gazza to Libya so Zionists could permanently occupy the land.

He's obsessed with annexing Greenland.

And that is a brief list.

It's clearly why Trump hasn't done jack shit about ending the war in Ukraine. Or the coming recession, for that matter.

Well stated !!!! And HE will have CREATED the recession that is coming. It is all on him. He could care less about ending the war , he only cares about being the "chief negotiator" and a hero in his own mind for stopping the war .........except he is playing checkers', while Putin is playing chess. .. and he does not want to hurt his friend Putin or spoil what he thinks is a constructive relationship with him. When the red hat club makes comments about "hating" Trump........it is because they have no other argument.......and that is their fall back position.

 

[Hamish Howl]

He apparently had no transcripts of his last term's meeting with Putin. And he meets alone in private supposedly, without support staff.

Which is by itself illegal.

 

[Juin]

Trump's statement is a total punt, seemingly trying to obfuscate that Putin blew him off.

Where's the cease fire?

A ceasefire always has to be negotiated and agreed to in advance by both parties. This one was dead on arrival as it seems like to the western side Russian input was irrelevant

 

[Juin]

To use your own words, "don't use that excuse, its weak and has no value". Also, if we were to take a look at your previous posts, would we find you complaining about Democrats/liberals lying?

Also, Trump has no input in these negotiations. Putin has already reneged several times now. Trump has had no meaningful success pertaining to this.

How can Putin renege on something he never was consulted on, nor agreed to?

 

[Juin]

Oh, just stop it already. Quit being a theater kid and drop the drama, please?

Of course, everyone wants this war to stop, but quit trying to tell us that Trump had done anything worthwhile here.

Trump has been bringing all the sides to the table. That is a necessary precursor to end of hostilities

 

[Juin]

what did Biden do to broker peace in those 18 months he was in office?

maybe Trump hasn't - we'll see

we know Biden didn't though

It was a mistake for Biden to have not kept chanels of communications open with all parties of the conflict. Fighting can go on while negotiations take place.

 

[Lex Talionis]

Trump has been bringing all the sides to the table. That is a necessary precursor to end of hostilities

No. Putin pulling his troops back from an invasion of a sovereign country is the necessary precursor to end of hostilities.

 

[Metric Mouse]

As long as we refuse to adequately arm Ukraine, I agree.

I keep seeing arguments that it is better for the United States if Russia keeps fighting and losing than it would be for Russia to stop fighting and rebuild their economy and arm up again.

 

[Juin]

Nope, it’s as clear as mud. Putin’s ‘terms’ seem to include getting handed more Ukrainian territory than he currently occupies and placing limits on (increased?) Ukrainian defense forces.

I do not see how Ukrainian terms are any different. Zelensky has also vowed that Ukraine will not sign away lands under Russian control like Crimea

 

[ALiberalModerate]

one more reason to hate Trump - right everyone ?

how dare he try to broker a peace ... we'd be better off with war and funding the war, giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine and kill, kill, and more killing ............ right ?

Ukraine is killing our oldest enemy in droves, so actually we are better off.

 

[Juin]

Trump has been bringing all the sides to the table. That is a necessary precursor to end of hostilities

No. Putin pulling his troops back from an invasion of a sovereign country is the necessary precursor to end of hostilities.

Was a US withdrawal from 55% of Mexican territories in the Mexican-American War of 1846 the precursor to end of hostilities?

 

[Sage077]

He apparently had no transcripts of his last term's meeting with Putin. And he meets alone in private supposedly, without support staff.

I seem to recall last time he didn't have his own translator, but rather used the Russian translator.

The guy's mafioso-like. He never commits to written records.

Of course , he does not. That would leave him open for true accountability. And he will have none of that...Which makes his actions and words highly suspect in terms of credibility.
One can only imagine what the convesation was about..........and the vague comments about the results of that conversation are an indicator that nothing of value or substance took place..............so just more Donald hype and hyperbole and BS.

 

[Juin]

I keep seeing arguments that it is better for the United States if Russia keeps fighting and losing than it would be for Russia to stop fighting and rebuild their economy and arm up again.

What if it is Russia fighting and winning?

 

[911Sparky]

Help me understand this. If Putin was afraid of invading Ukraine because Rump was presideht, why isn't he afraid to be invading Ukraine while Trump is president?

Now you've done it, showed Trumpers how lame their rhetoric is.

 

[Juin]

Ukraine is killing our oldest enemy in droves, so actually we are better off.

That makes Ukraine the finest proxy money can buy. Ukraine's own cost in blood is not a concern.

 

[Juin]

As long as it's a fair and just peace agreement. I don't trust Trump to give Russia everything it's asking for.

What exactly is a fair and just peace? If Justice ruled the day, there would be no wars. War means the death of Justice; each party can only hope for what it can obtain by force of arms