ABC’s Linsey Davis Raises Eyebrows with Abortion Fact-Check Against Trump: 'Completely Interjects Herself' (1 Viewer)

[Lutherf]

Just what is a "born alive abortion"?

Not every abortion results in a dead baby right away. Sometimes the infanticide isn't as effective as the "mother" and "medical professionals" expected it to be and the unwanted gob of goo that might look like a baby but really isn't because nobody wanted the little shit anyway is alive after the procedure. CDC records indicate that such an event happened at least 143 times from 2003-2014. When something like that happens there are two choices; either you treat the newborn or you toss it on the trash heap and let it die. The latter choice is the one the "pro choice" crowd gravitates toward.

 

[Gordy327]

Not every abortion results in a dead baby right away. Sometimes the infanticide isn't as effective as the "mother" and "medical professionals" expected it to be and the unwanted gob of goo that might look like a baby but really isn't because nobody wanted the little shit anyway is alive after the procedure. CDC records indicate that such an event happened at least 143 times from 2003-2014. When something like that happens there are two choices; either you treat the newborn or you toss it on the trash heap and let it die. The latter choice is the one the "pro choice" crowd gravitates toward.

Harvesting it for stem cells or tissue for research would be much more resourceful and practical.

 

[eohrnberger]

Those videos were deliberately and deceptively edited to give false impressions practically devoid of context. You should be ashamed of promoting such amateurish malicious nonsense.

So you are going with 'don't believe your lying eyes and ears' are you? Well, you do you.

But, then again, that's pretty much what you are known for around here anyway.

. . and then go and throw in an ad hom, a sure sign that you've got nothing.

 

[Sue Sponte]

Too bad the same can't be said for biased, interfering and interceding debate moderators.

Just curious... does it occur to you how absurd it is to believe Trump is the tough strongman we all need to lead us in the world against brutal regimes and dictators while being outraged how unfair it was for the poor guy to be subjected to a freaking "biased... debate moderator"?

Nothing personal, but the premise is comical.

This all just screams how damn weak and pathetic he is and you all repeat it without ever pondering that fact.

 

[BlueTex]

Not every abortion results in a dead baby right away. Sometimes the infanticide isn't as effective as the "mother" and "medical professionals" expected it to be and the unwanted gob of goo that might look like a baby but really isn't because nobody wanted the little shit anyway is alive after the procedure. CDC records indicate that such an event happened at least 143 times from 2003-2014. When something like that happens there are two choices; either you treat the newborn or you toss it on the trash heap and let it die. The latter choice is the one the "pro choice" crowd gravitates toward.

Correct, many of these children suffer before succumbing to fatal abnormalities... That you choose to use the deaths of these children and the anguish their parents suffer says a lot... Heck, people who use their deaths like this would have no problem stepping over the grave of a dead soldier to take a campaign photo...

 

[sanman]

It's all so UNFAIR!

I think we see the broader reaction to the behavior of ABC News, who've only trashed their own brand.

 

[Luce]

Why is there background Cyrillic (Russian) writing on the image you posted?

That is some ferocious ownage you going on there.

PLEASE HAMMER DON'T HURT 'EM!

 

[Luce]

Not every abortion results in a dead baby right away. Sometimes the infanticide isn't as effective as the "mother" and "medical professionals" expected it to be and the unwanted gob of goo that might look like a baby but really isn't because nobody wanted the little shit anyway is alive after the procedure. CDC records indicate that such an event happened at least 143 times from 2003-2014. When something like that happens there are two choices; either you treat the newborn or you toss it on the trash heap and let it die. The latter choice is the one the "pro choice" crowd gravitates toward.

You of course have a credible link for this.

 

[Luce]

Whoops. Missed your embedded link.

From that link:

Most of the remaining deaths are clearly spontaneous. However, it is possible that this number (143) underestimates the total number of deaths involving induced termination. In some cases, when a vague term such as “termination of pregnancy” was reported as due to a severe congenital anomaly or maternal complication, it was impossible to determine whether the pregnancy terminated spontaneously as the result of the anomaly or complication, or whether the mother elected to terminate because of the anomaly or complication. Because of the strong association between severe congenital anomalies or maternal complications and premature labor and birth, terminations were assumed to be spontaneous when reported as “due to” or “caused by” an anomaly/complication. However, if the language used was something like “termination of pregnancy for [congenital anomaly/maternal complication]” then the termination was assumed to be induced. In addition, of the 143 deaths involving induced terminations, 97 involved a maternal complication or, one or more congenital anomalies.

Not seeing where fetuses survived abortions here.

 

[forn]

And what the governor was discussing was the heartbreaking and tragic case of a baby doomed to die in minutes or hours or a few days and the incredibly hard decisions families have to face in those circumstances. It's not baby "killing" and saying that is a detestable lie by Trump, which you're defending with this crap. It's shameful.

All abortion is baby killing.

 

[Gordy327]

All abortion is baby killing.

Demonstrably false!

 

[JasperL]

All abortion is baby killing.

Why are you telling me this? First of all, I don't care what your view is on abortion. Second, and more relevantly, the former governor was not discussing abortion at all.

 

[eohrnberger]

Just curious... does it occur to you how absurd it is to believe Trump is the tough strongman we all need to lead us in the world against brutal regimes and dictators while being outraged how unfair it was for the poor guy to be subjected to a freaking "biased... debate moderator"?

Do please quote where I actually posted any of this. This part is you erecting a strawman.

Nothing personal, but the premise is comical.

Wanting unbiased presidential debates is comical?

No, the strawman you erected is comical.
What is also comical that you are asserting that I posted that directly or indirectly.

This all just screams how damn weak and pathetic he is and you all repeat it without ever pondering that fact.

This the final step after erecting a strawman, you wining the argument with the strawman. Oh how precious.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Waaaa! DonOld got fact checked. Waaaaaaaa!

CNN identified 33 debate falsehoods by Trump. The ABC Moderators let him off easy by only correcting 3 of those 33 falsehoods.

In addition, Trump received 33 minutes of camera/mic time. Harris only received 27 minutes of camera/mic time.

 

[Luce]

All abortion is baby killing.

That's an emotional response. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't call it fact.

 

[Lutherf]

Whoops. Missed your embedded link.

From that link:



Not seeing where fetuses survived abortions here.

In that report they didn't because they were left to die....just like the "pro-choice" crowd likes it.

Here's a link to testimonials by some that survived.
https://abortionsurvivors.org/who-we-are/testimonials/

This issue of late term abortion isn't as cut and dried as the political left would like it to be. Women DO choose to have healthy late term babies aborted. The idea that all late term abortions are just for serious medical issues is misguided and the fact that we have ADULTS that are survivors of abortion is proof.

I get it, lots of people believe that women should have the right to complete autonomy over everything that happens with their bodies and that a 39 week old fetus is still just a gob of goo but that's REALLY warped thinking and shows ZERO respect for life. We are a free country and if women have no qualms about killing their babies; if men choose to support women in that choice then that's on them but the HUMANE thing to do is to make that kind of choice as painful as possible for all involved because if the human race chooses to be advocates of death instead of advocates of life we won't be a human race for all that much longer.

 

[Atomic Kid]

So you are going with 'don't believe your lying eyes and ears' are you? Well, you do you.

Unlike you, I don't believe every video I see on YouTube. I only had to watch about 3 or 4 clips to see whoever put that video together was engaging in deceptive editing to create a false narrative. It was an amateurish attempt too. You must think we are a bunch of rubes here or something.

. . and then go and throw in an ad hom, a sure sign that you've got nothing.

I think a lot of people here would say that I was just telling it like it is

 

[AZRWinger]

No one is being killed. Medical intervention is being withdrawn and the patient is allowed to die naturally. That's how comfort care works.

The objective of the late term abortion is to kill the unborn child. When the abor

I would like to know the full context of this discussion because it appears to me that Gov. Northam was speaking of an isolated incident that was a 1-off. In any case, Lindsey Davis' fact-check was correct whether people like that she did so in real-time or not. There is no state law or circumstance in American medical practices that would allow for the willful death of an otherwise healthy child after it is born. There have been circumstances, I'm sure, where the decision was made to terminate the life of child who has serious birth defects once born and it's been determined that the child would not live a full, healthy, normal life due to such significant birth defect, abnormality(ies) or fatal condition, but this does not happen with a normal, healthy newborn child.

Right, the abortionist attending to the born alive baby they failed to kill is motivated to care for the child. Withholding care solves the abortionist's problem by finishing the execution.

Pro abortion advocates claim viability is the rationale for slaughtering the unborn with impunity. But thanks to the grisly statistics from Minnesota we know the survivors of late term abortion attempts are left to die. But don't worry, Princess Kamala's VP candidate solved the problem by hiding the slaughter.

What evidence do you have that healthy children are protected from late term abortion? Democrats have fought to block laws requiring medical care for survivors of botched late term abortions.

 

[Objective Voice]

Ah, the discerning mind of a thinking individual. Clearly not a Trump voter.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-virginia-governors-2019-comments-about-abortion-bill-are-missing-co-idUSKBN27D2GS/

Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions

False. Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor.

apnews.com

Thank you.

Per the source article you provided, it's apparent not enough discerning minds thought critically enough, if at all, to ask what Gov. Northam was really talking about. So, here's the context as provided from the article:

Northam was referring to “third-trimester abortions” that are done in cases “where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non viable” he said. “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,” Northam stated.

But here's the really crazy part. Y'all ready?

The controversy was also addressed by U.S. President Donald Trump, who mentioned it during his State of Union address in 2019.

So, former Pres. Trump went into the way-back machine 5 years and pulled this gem out of the misinformation barrel. This is now on par with illegal aliens eating the neighbor's cat.

 

[Objective Voice]

The objective of the late term abortion is to kill the unborn child. When the abor

I would like to know the full context of this discussion because it appears to me that Gov. Northam was speaking of an isolated incident that was a 1-off. In any case, Lindsey Davis' fact-check was correct whether people like that she did so in real-time or not. There is no state law or circumstance in American medical practices that would allow for the willful death of an otherwise healthy child after it is born. There have been circumstances, I'm sure, where the decision was made to terminate the life of child who has serious birth defects once born and it's been determined that the child would not live a full, healthy, normal life due to such significant birth defect, abnormality(ies) or fatal condition, but this does not happen with a normal, healthy newborn child.

Right, the abortionist attending to the born alive baby they failed to kill is motivated to care for the child. Withholding care solves the abortionist's problem by finishing the execution.

Pro abortion advocates claim viability is the rationale for slaughtering the unborn with impunity. But thanks to the grisly statistics from Minnesota we know the survivors of late term abortion attempts are left to die. But don't worry, Princess Kamala's VP candidate solved the problem by hiding the slaughter.

You are so wrong on this matter.

Read this article provided by UpsideGuy and get educated on the topic. Again, there is no state law or circumstance in American medical practices that would allow for the willful death of an otherwise healthy child after it is born. This is not a thing.

What evidence do you have that healthy children are protected from late term abortion?

You're alive, aren't you?

'Nuff said.

 

[BabaVoss]

Not every abortion results in a dead baby right away.

Abortions never result in a dead baby. Many abortions occur naturally. A significant percentage of fertilized eggs (what you might erroneously call a baby) fail to ever implant successfully.

Sometimes the infanticide…

Infanticide is the murder of an infant. That is not abortion. And before your retort, I can save you some time. Neither ovum, blastocysts, of fetuses are “babies”. While it might be fun to use inflammatory words to make a point, using the wrong words simply shows your ignorance of the topic - and your desire to insult and demean. Those don’t help make you argument convincing - at all.

Your position is “pro forced birth”. It’s a difficult position to justify.

.

 

[Gordy327]

The objective of the late term abortion is to kill the unborn child. When the abor

It ends a pregnancy just as an "early term" abortion does. The only difference is late term is performed in cases of medical necessity.

Right, the abortionist attending to the born alive baby they failed to kill is motivated to care for the child. Withholding care solves the abortionist's problem by finishing the execution.

Nope. It's simply allowing nature to take it's inevitable course. Neonates in such situations have a medical circumstance which causes death after birth.

Pro abortion advocates claim viability is the rationale for slaughtering the unborn with impunity. But thanks to the grisly statistics from Minnesota we know the survivors of late term abortion attempts are left to die. But don't worry, Princess Kamala's VP candidate solved the problem by hiding the slaughter.

What problem? There is no problem. Except what you or antiabortionists like to imagine.

What evidence do you have that healthy children are protected from late term abortion? Democrats have fought to block laws requiring medical care for survivors of botched late term abortions.

What's your evidence they are not? You're the one making the assertion here. It seems you simply jump to a biased conclusion without examining the situation or circumstances.

 

[Parrish]

If Granny has no chance of survival, do you keep her on a machine to suffer, unplug her life support or do you sedate her and let her die with dignity and less pain and agony?
We spare our pets a painful death, why not our loved ones?

 

[Gordy327]

If Granny has no chance of survival, do you keep her on a machine to suffer, unplug her life support or do you sedate her and let her die with dignity and less pain and agony?
We spare our pets a painful death, why not our loved ones?

Exactly. Its about quality if life, not quantity of life. We put down sick or injured animals and call it humane. Why is it different with people?

 

[eohrnberger]

Unlike you, I don't believe every video I see on YouTube. I only had to watch about 3 or 4 clips to see whoever put that video together was engaging in deceptive editing to create a false narrative.

Either those Democrats said what they said or they didn't, which is it?
I recall a great amount of cheering and support for other videos 'engaging in deceptive editing to create a false narrative', they just happen to put conservatives in a bad light.

Your objection appears to be only be along political lines.

It was an amateurish attempt too. You must think we are a bunch of rubes here or something.

I think a lot of people here would say that I was just telling it like it is

This an example of hive mind with shared fevered imaginations.