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A Sobering, Somewhat Surreal Sight

Blaming Trump for the coronavirus outbreak is just as dumb as blaming Obama for the swine flu.

The USA is the 3rd most traveled to country on the planet and there is no way that we are going to stop it.

Fine, import plane-loads of potentially infected people. The only thing you're not going to stop is the spread of Covid-19.
 
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An optimist if I've ever seen one. :)

Sure. Why not?

I can't tell you it won't happen. :shrug:

We have recovered from and even thrived through civil war, world war, dust bowls, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, diseases and all manner of idiots in government. Sure, I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic because we've been through worse than this many, many times before and come out stronger every time.
 
There is no way to 'protect the country' from this type of virus.
Depending on what value you are putting in for 'protect' you could be right or glaringly wrong.
We're unable to keep new viruses from springing up around the world.

There're definitely steps which (can be / could've been) taken to reduce the impact and our response times, though.

These sorts of things are inevitable.
So, planning for them cannot be started too soon.
 
Blaming Trump for the coronavirus outbreak is just as dumb as blaming Obama for the swine flu.
The USA is the 3rd most traveled to country on the planet and there is no way that we are going to stop it.

The goal now is to slow it, not stop it. Stopping it went out the window a while back.

Slowing the spread of the disease would allow our infrastructure a chance to gear up.
 
Given the Democrats' constantly pushing their destroy-Trump narrative du jour, honestly, let's face it, if it wasn't COVID-19, it would be some manufactured crisis setting their hair on fire.
The end-times, "we're still gonna choke to death" climate crisis was on fumes. Enter the coronavirus 24/7 news cycle, now hysterically compared to Chernobyl by the MSDNC media.
It's still 10 months until the election.

Sorry, Bud, but this Covid thing has absolutely nothing to do with American politics. Nothing. I know, wherever you're standing is the most important place in the world but there actually is one or two things more important than your fantasies about evil, plotting Democrats.
 
This virus might put a dent in supply chains but unless there is a total meltdown somewhere along the line we'll see a rapid recovery.
I think it will be rapid once it begins

But many countries lack the wherewithal to deal with this.
So, there will continue to be fresh, new supply chain interruptions for quite some time as the virus works its way through humanity.


e.g. a number of coffee producing nations are in the least prepared category

Homepage - GHS Index


Even if a country is well prepared, they have to have the political impetus to use the resources they have in a timely manner.
i.e. waiting until there're as many deaths from covid-19 as there are from the flu before taking all the recommended steps to deal with the outbreak would be a bad idea.
 
Oh I take the virus seriously, as I do getting the flu, which is why I get the flu shot every year, which is why my anxiety goes up when I can't get a coronavirus shot. My point was that Democrats are expediently weaponizing the virus, and if it wasn't the virus, it would be climate change, the next Ukraine, etc.

Yes, it's all a hoax perpetrated by ... let's see ... oh, now I remember ... today it is the media ... yesterday it was Obama ... the day before it was the democrats ...

Today the entire nation of Italy is in lock down ... all in a massive effort to make Trump look bad. Those bastards will stop at nothing!
 
"Irrelevant" to what? The future? The 2020 election?

You're going on record that nothing we're seeing now will have relevance come November?

The 1918 pandemic lasted a total of two years, but it peaked in the fall of the first year, 1918. It killed between 20 and 50 million people. There were no Jet Airliners in 1918. There were no sacks of Shyte in the street in 1918.

From what I've been able to find on the internet, there are around 3000 ICU beds in the U.S. By June, the number of infected are estimated to be over 20 Million.

One person in ten will need an ICU stay of 5 days to survive.

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Here is age demographic info:

United States Age structure - Demographics

united-states-population-pyramid-2018.webp


Age structure:
0-14 years: 18.62% (male 31,329,121 /female 29,984,705)
15-24 years: 13.12% (male 22,119,340 /female 21,082,599)
25-54 years: 39.29% (male 64,858,646 /female 64,496,889)
55-64 years: 12.94% (male 20,578,432 /female 22,040,267)
65 years and over: 16.03% (male 23,489,515 /female 29,276,951) (2018 est.)

16% over age 65, and most of them will need an ICU to survive the Commie Virus. There will be others under age 65, who will also need an ICU to survive, particularly those with organ transplants.

Children under the age of 2 will also likely need an ICU to survive.

There just are not enough Beds. (or Drugs)

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In America, we currently have allot more drugs for viruses, and top level intensive care facilities, than corona patients.

In Italy, not exactly a 3rd world nation, like say, Nigeria, there are 9172 cases, 631 deaths, and 1004 recovered. That's a 39% death rate.

The average state of health in Italy is not significantly different from that of Americans. Our levels of nutrition, dental care, smoking (Respiratory Virus, Dugh!), Obesity, etc, is close to that of Italy.

Things will be much worse in Mexico, Honduras, Ethiopia....

Italy Coronavirus: 10,149 Cases and 631 Deaths - Worldometer

Italy_3-10-2020b.webp


Note the 10:1 Mild condition to Serious Condition Ratio!

Right now, the death rate in America is less than 1%.

When America, or ANY Nation, has its number of patients significantly exceed its number of drug doses and hospital beds, then our death rate will increase to something close to the Italian value.



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we haven't been testing enough as we had a flaw in the kits initially. there are a lot more infected.

Mistakes happen. How you recover from them is what counts.

America has been ripe for a pandemic disaster for several decades, and no administration or political party, has taken it seriously enough.

But, if you bring up the subject, one side or the other, depending on who is in power, or both, will jeer, sneer, lie, jab and verbally abuse the messenger. Believe me, been there!

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Here is a chart of death rate of the Commie Virus by country:

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Coronavirus death rate by country: fatality numbers compared to cases - Business Insider

Oddly, America is ALREADY at the top of the charts in this article.

If the above chart is correct, our medical facilities are doing something very wrong!

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Yeah, for one thing our testing capabilities have been one of the worst (in terms of numbers of available tests) thanks to Trump slow response and his alternate universe where we don't have a COVID-19 problem and need to suppress efforts to stop it. The less people we test and detect, the higher death rate will be.
 
Yeah, for one thing our testing capabilities have been one of the worst (in terms of numbers of available tests) thanks to Trump slow response and his alternate universe where we don't have a COVID-19 problem and need to suppress efforts to stop it. The less people we test and detect, the higher death rate will be.

This isn't a Trump Problem, this is a World-Problem.

This is a Chinese food sanitation problem.

This is a sacks of poop in the American street problem.

This is a tens of millions of illegal immigrants overcrowding problem.

This is a CDC, DHS, and FEMA not doing their jobs problem.

This is a Sanctuary City Problem.


There are hundreds of thousands of people in our government who have failed for decades that led to this problem.

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16% over age 65, and most of them will need an ICU to survive the Commie Virus. There will be others under age 65, who will also need an ICU to survive, particularly those with organ transplants.

Children under the age of 2 will also likely need an ICU to survive.

There just are not enough Beds. (or Drugs)
My understanding is that the vast majority of deaths are those over age 80, which is closer to 6% of the population--in line with the fatality rate we're seeing so far in the US.

I'm also not sure whether being admitted to an ICU will have much of an effect.

Why are you referring to the virus as the "Commie Virus"? Just because it originated in communist China?
 
Even if you aren't concerned about the effects of the virus itself (i.e. its morbidity and mortality), do none of the other listed phenomena concern you?

If the markets crash and the economy plummets into recession, do you not think this will significantly affect Pres. Trump's chances of being reelected?

I can understand if you don't think people should treat the virus as a serious threat, but the entire world very much does, and "does"--not "should"--decides the future. Dismiss it as a go-nowhere Democratic hoax at your own peril. This might well cost Pres. Trump reelection.


Damn shame. At least there could be a silver lining to this misery.
 
My understanding is that the vast majority of deaths are those over age 80, which is closer to 6% of the population--in line with the fatality rate we're seeing so far in the US.

I'm also not sure whether being admitted to an ICU will have much of an effect.

Why are you referring to the virus as the "Commie Virus"? Just because it originated in communist China?

That's a part of it.

But also because allot of the factors in our country which are going to make this allot worse that it need to have been, come from the American Far-Radical-Left.

* 10s of Millions of Illegal Immigrants
* American Citizens Homeless, living in tent cities because of illicit drug addiction, and economic pressures from the Obama-Era war on successful Middle Class White-Males.
* Sanctuary City Madness
* WAY Too Many Refugees
* Slow Implementation on Travel Restrictions
* Off-Shoring of our pharma production industry
* Sneering at the Ebola Near-Miss, for Obama protection political reasons, which has led to Pandemic Lax Preparedness
* Blaming everything on Trump, rather than looking at the situation realistically
* Thinking that the government is the solution to all problems, rather than personal responsibility, caution, and self-reliance preparedness
* Lack of current American Business seeing this virus threat as a way to make a Capitalistic Fortune! (Build ICU respiratory equipment, FAST!)
* Effectively Open Borders
* Down Grading of American Public Education.

Because it is possible that this virus was an accidental release from a Chinese bio-weapons lab.

Because the American Hate Filled Left is trying like hell to pin the "Blame" on Trump.

Because allot of the things that will come from the need to protect ourselves from the virus will make America allot more like a Communist country.



The more Communist America becomes, the worse things like Pandemics, Storms, Earthquakes, Crop Failure, will hurt America and her people.

There is a reason Communist Countries Always FAIL!

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I think to myself: What pathetic, lost, and helpless creatures we men are. That all our billions of hours of speculating, agonizing over every poll, gaffe, and scandal isn't worth 60 days and a bundle of DNA so tiny it can't even be seen without the aid of a powerful microscope.

It's humbling, and I hope we all take time to reflect on it.

Never underestimate the power of small things. If you think a virus is small, just remember a Uranium atom is much, much smaller. And yet it still has the power to change history, foreign policy, economics and energy policy, and international relations....
 
Damn shame. At least there could be a silver lining to this misery.
Personally I think you Americans have lost your minds obsessing over how to blame Pres. Trump, how to credit Pres. Trump, how to criticize the administration response, how to defend the administration response...

If there was ever a time to stop caring about who to credit/blame, and to pull together as a cohesive unit behind whatever strategy is proposed by the elected administration--warts and all--that time is now. Otherwise the back-biting and casting of aspersions is going to undermine confidence in the government at all levels and make a bad situation a lot worse. You'll go down in history as the fool nation that wiped out its seniors because you wouldn't trust your government.

If you folks have any sense at all, the words "Donald Trump" won't appear in coronavirus-related threads until the epidemic is passed, except to remark on what your elected administration has officially said Americans need to do and how you can best make that happen.
 
That's a part of it.

But also because allot of the factors in our country which are going to make this allot worse that it need to have been, come from the American Far-Radical-Left.
I see.

Well... as I say above, the sensible thing to do is to can the usual left-right finger-pointing until the threat has passed. Recognize we're all in the same boat.

For Democrats and leftists in general, this means trusting the elected administration.

For Republicans and rightists, it means not antagonizing the left, not criticizing the previous administration, and not putting any other stumbling blocks in leftists' way that would discourage them from trusting the administration.

In short, forget that "right" and "left" exist for as long as is needed to pull through. Fix the problem, not the blame.
 
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