A simple solution to the school problem

[roguenuke]

We should buy them laptops and an internet connection.

My school system basically did this. They have given out laptops or tablets to anyone in the district who needs them. We bought each of our kids a laptop for school because we can afford them. I did hear some school systems are just giving tablets/laptops to all students (I don't agree with this, they should allow them to be brought from home if the students/families can afford them to allow for some extra money for other essentials or possibly actual internet access for those who can't afford it).

There are also several ISPs who are working to get internet to those students whose families do not have it.

Free Internet for Students: 7 Providers Offering Support - Reviews.com

School districts and internet providers are helping connect students to their virtual classrooms with unprecedented discounts.

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[roguenuke]

That simply is not true. The vaccine is free.

And not widely available, especially not to school age students yet. But if they do get sick, then healthcare for them is not free.

 

[roguenuke]

I think teachers are essential workers, and should get a higher priority on the vaccine list.

I agree but that still doesn't help with the rest of the staff or vulnerable family members of these students. My own father is weeks from being within the vulnerable age range but my inlaws are not anywhere close despite my FIL having some health issues. IF my kids got sick from Covid, my FIL would be potentially in serious danger. And we really don't know which kids might be vulnerable. My son with the most health issues also has the hardest time with remote learning.

To me, this is a balancing act with the health of multiple members of my household and the potential of my kids "falling behind" some standard norm (but not really their peers as a whole if everyone is struggling with learning like this).

 

[eohrnberger]

When did he tell people not to wear masks in puiblic when there was sufficient maks to be worn by the population? Please post these quotes by Dr. Anythony Fauci.

He did. That you don't know, or more likely won't acknowledge that he did, isn't my problem. Solve your own problem with a search engine. It'll find it.

But hey, at one point the Chinese mouth piece WHO claimed that COVID wasn't transmissible person to person, when there was already evidence that it had.
Go figure.

 

[Rawley]

I agree but that still doesn't help with the rest of the staff or vulnerable family members of these students. My own father is weeks from being within the vulnerable age range but my inlaws are not anywhere close despite my FIL having some health issues. IF my kids got sick from Covid, my FIL would be potentially in serious danger. And we really don't know which kids might be vulnerable. My son with the most health issues also has the hardest time with remote learning.

To me, this is a balancing act with the health of multiple members of my household and the potential of my kids "falling behind" some standard norm (but not really their peers as a whole if everyone is struggling with learning like this).

Then keep your kids out of school if you are that afraid out your relatives catching COVID from them. Do you not let them socialize with other kids? Go to the grocery store? Every study has shown that the transmission of COVID from kids in school is significantly less than transmission in the general community.

 

[roguenuke]

Then keep your kids out of school if you are that afraid out your relatives catching COVID from them. Do you not let them socialize with other kids? Go to the grocery store? Every study has shown that the transmission of COVID from kids in school is significantly less than transmission in the general community.

They haven't really been out of the house with an exception to the beach and a few trips to the store (for them) in a year. They are on a 3 week rotating schedule for school to allow a third of the students into the classrooms to learn in person at a time right now and we drive them to and pick them up from.

And no, they do not socialize in person with most other kids right now (with a single exception of a family I trust).

Please post those studies.

 

[Lisa]

Fauchi outright lied to us to protect the pubic health. And you applaud him. Trump down played the risk to avoid public panic and you condemn him. It would be nice if you had a consistent principled position.

Fauci did not lie. He explained why he said that the PPE must go to those who were at the highest risk of infection. Stop trying to carry water for Trump who said that Covid would be gone by the summer.

In his first speech after his hospitalization for Covid-19, President Donald Trump stood on a White House balcony on October 10 and made a grand declaration about the coronavirus: “It’s going to disappear. It is disappearing.”

His words might have sounded more dramatic had he not been saying the same thing for eight months.

Trump has stuck to the refrain no matter what has been happening with the pandemic. Since February, the President has declared at least 38 times that Covid-19 is either going to disappear or is currently disappearing.

His proclamations have been wildly inaccurate. When Trump first started making the claim in February, it was about the time the US had just suffered its very first known Covid-19 death. More than 220,000 deaths later, Trump continues to falsely claim that the virus will somehow just go away — even as the US experiences yet another surge in cases and hospitalizations.

All of the times President Trump said Covid-19 will disappear

Since February, the president has declared at least 38 times that Covid-19 is either going to vanish or is currently vanishing.

www.cnn.com

 

[Rawley]

They haven't really been out of the house with an exception to the beach and a few trips to the store (for them) in a year. They are on a 3 week rotating schedule for school to allow a third of the students into the classrooms to learn in person at a time right now and we drive them to and pick them up from.

And no, they do not socialize in person with most other kids right now (with a single exception of a family I trust).

Please post those studies.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

No offense intended, but I feel horribly sorry for your kids, and millions like them. The fear that has been instilled in you seems paralyzing.

 

[Lisa]

He did. That you don't know, or more likely won't acknowledge that he did, isn't my problem. Solve your own problem with a search engine. It'll find it.

But hey, at one point the Chinese mouth piece WHO claimed that COVID wasn't transmissible person to person, when there was already evidence that it had.
Go figure.

It's not my job to do your research. You made the claim so you need to prove it or admit that you lied.

 

[Rawley]

Fauci did not lie.

Do you really need this shoved in your face a third time?

“there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet ”

You claim that was the truth? There was NO REASON to wear a mask? That it might block a droplet?

Are you getting paid to shill for this clown?

 

[roguenuke]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

No offense intended, but I feel horribly sorry for your kids, and millions like them. The fear that has been instilled in you seems paralyzing.

From what you posted, your own link:

COVID-19 transmission in schools is associated with community transmission. Transmission spread within schools can be limited with strict implementation of layered mitigation strategies.14,32,34 When community rates of COVID-19 are high, there is an increased likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 will be introduced to, and potentially transmitted within, a school setting. Evidence to date suggests that when schools implement mitigation strategies with fidelity, transmission within schools can be limited.

I live in the county with the 2nd largest city in NC. Our rates just dropped back down. This shows you are wrong.

And keeping kids and adults from interacting in person with those outside their own household is part of the recommended CDC guidelines.

It's not paralyzing at all. It is called precautionary so that I don't end up back in the hospital with my son, with something else that could be fatal. He has enough doctors and a long enough medical record.

 

[roguenuke]

Do you really need this shoved in your face a third time?

“there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask”

You claim that was the truth? There was NO REASON to wear a mask?

Are you getting paid to shill for this clown?

From early, early on in this pandemic, well before they had a lot of info. Things change when we learn more. That's called "growth" and "knowledge".

 

[Allan]

General lockdown, if that suits you more.

You didn't even do that, not even close.

 

[Rawley]

From what you posted, your own link:

COVID-19 transmission in schools is associated with community transmission. Transmission spread within schools can be limited with strict implementation of layered mitigation strategies.14,32,34 When community rates of COVID-19 are high, there is an increased likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 will be introduced to, and potentially transmitted within, a school setting. Evidence to date suggests that when schools implement mitigation strategies with fidelity, transmission within schools can be limited.

THis is why I resist giving yhou links. You nitpick and cherry pick. Did you intentionally skip over over the top line conclusion? " Based on the data available, in-person learning in schools has not been associated with substantial community transmission. Although national COVID-19 case incidence rates among children and adolescents have risen over time, this trend parallels trends observed among adults.17 Increases in case incidence among school-aged children and school reopenings do not appear to pre-date increases in community transmission" It's not the schools

I live in the county with the 2nd largest city in NC. Our rates just dropped back down. This shows you are wrong.

Tell scientists they are are wrong. I'm just following the science.

And keeping kids and adults from interacting in person with those outside their own household is part of the recommended CDC guidelines.

Not when it comes to school. Read the whole thing.

It's not paralyzing at all. It is called precautionary so that I don't end up back in the hospital with my son, with something else that could be fatal. He has enough doctors and a long enough medical record.

Well, you never said that - to me at least - you were talking about your parents and in-laws, not about your son's preexisting medical condition.

 

[Rawley]

From early, early on in this pandemic, well before they had a lot of info. Things change when we learn more. That's called "growth" and "knowledge".

He had the info. He lied, allegedly to stop a run on N95 masks intended for medial professionals.

 

[Luce]

My position is that Churchill tried to paint a less bleak picture of the bombing of London to bolster Londoner's spirits.

Have you actually listened to any of his speeches?

 

[Luce]

You don't shout fire in a movie theatre, as they say, 'cause you don't want to start a stampede.

It's always an ugly thing when people stampede away from a virus.

 

[roguenuke]

THis is why I resist giving yhou links. You nitpick and cherry pick. Did you intentionally skip over over the top line conclusion? " Based on the data available, in-person learning in schools has not been associated with substantial community transmission. Although national COVID-19 case incidence rates among children and adolescents have risen over time, this trend parallels trends observed among adults.17 Increases in case incidence among school-aged children and school reopenings do not appear to pre-date increases in community transmission" It's not the schools



Tell scientists they are are wrong. I'm just following the science.

Not when it comes to school. Read the whole thing.



Well, you never said that - to me at least - you were talking about your parents and in-laws, not about your son's preexisting medical condition.

It is very hard for them to be spreading the coronavirus when the vast majority of kids have not been in school, interacting with nearly the same amount of other kids or people in general as adults have (relatively speaking). Most of kids' interactions take place in school settings. Many schools closed. That means less interactions to draw from.

I will tell people that they are wrong in not recognizing what is being put out and that certain precautions have to be taken before you can safely allow students to return to school, precautions that many schools do not have funding to implement, yet.

I actually mentioned my son too, in a post you responded to, the same one I mentioned my inlaws in.

 

[roguenuke]

He had the info. He lied, allegedly to stop a run on N95 masks intended for medial professionals.

So he had a really good reason then for keeping them from using N95 masks, from stockpiling, preventing them from getting to medical personnel early on when we had low supplies?

 

[Rawley]

So he had a really good reason then for keeping them from using N95 masks, from stockpiling, preventing them from getting to medical personnel early on when we had low supplies?

If you agree with that, you must agree that the President had a good reason to downplay the virus to prevent panic.

 

[eohrnberger]

It's not my job to do your research. You made the claim so you need to prove it or admit that you lied.

It's not my job to demonstrate the truth to the woefully un-informed and miss-informed when the answer is a simple server away and is a matter of public record.

Has nothing to do with lying, which my statement of fact is not. But if you wish to live in ignorance, so be it, because, as they accurately say, "You can lead a horse to water, but your can't make them drink". Go 'drink water' if you chose to. That's on you.

 

[mrjurrs]

Teachers unions dont want their members to teach class in schools. There is a simple solution to that problem.

NO WORK NO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, brilliant! Wait a minute, who's going to teach the students?

 

[Questerr]

Damn, abandoning yet another claim? "Trump opposed mandating masks at his own ****ing events."

He never opposed mandated mask wearing at his events.

I think you might be setting a record

So he mandated masks at all of his events regardless of what the bare minimum local rules stated?

 

[Lisa]

It's not my job to demonstrate the truth to the woefully un-informed and miss-informed when the answer is a simple server away and is a matter of public record.

Has nothing to do with lying, which my statement of fact is not. But if you wish to live in ignorance, so be it, because, as they accurately say, "You can lead a horse to water, but your can't make them drink". Go 'drink water' if you chose to. That's on you.

How can I possibly search for a quote that I didn't know what it is or if it even exists? You made the claim but you also know that it doesn't exist, so you trying to make me go on a snipe hunt for your nonsense.

To put it bluntly; put up or shut up.

 

[Rawley]

So he mandated masks at all of his events regardless of what the bare minimum local rules stated?

You're spinning yourself in circles. He didn't mandate masks is not equal to he opposed masks - as you claimed.